Blocked overtake on dash cam.
Discussion
OP. Although not dangerous or illegal your very early overtaking attempt was always going to risk looking 'aggressive' (whether it actually was or not doesn't matter) in the rear view mirror so I'm suprised that you were suprised by the other drivers reaction. Similarly, given that nothing dangerous happened (the other driver could see there was no oncoming traffic) and that sort of thing happens all the time I'd be more concerned that a) you were effected enough by the incident to feel it warranted posting and b) even more concerned that you then intimate that you had 'a discussion' (????) with the guy. I think you need to look at your own driving/attitude just as much as the other guy.
Sorry, that all comes across as rather harsh on the page but hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from.
Edited to add: Absolutely NOT condoning other driver's reaction. Just saying that, sadly, you prob should have seen it coming!
Sorry, that all comes across as rather harsh on the page but hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from.
Edited to add: Absolutely NOT condoning other driver's reaction. Just saying that, sadly, you prob should have seen it coming!
Edited by Pugsey on Tuesday 13th March 09:57
The more I look at that vid, the more I see the Audi driver do nothing to acellerate after the roundabout and he must then have floored it to get ahead of the OP. But its the Audi's crossing the white line particularly just after the OP abandons the maneuver that sums up the Audi driver's attitude. He is basically saying, "you aint getting past me" and he emphasises that by pulling to the right.
The Audi driver was caught napping, he wasn't in gear to acellerate quickly when the NSL came up so OP was fine to try and pass. OP was clearly in the right gear and well positioned with good visibility.
Looking at the way the Audi did the roundabout I would have expected him to be quicker after, but he didn't keep the momentum, and the OP did.
The Audi driver was caught napping, he wasn't in gear to acellerate quickly when the NSL came up so OP was fine to try and pass. OP was clearly in the right gear and well positioned with good visibility.
Looking at the way the Audi did the roundabout I would have expected him to be quicker after, but he didn't keep the momentum, and the OP did.
I have to applaud the OP's honesty in posting this. To me it reads "this bloke's a berk, right, is there something I've done wrong?". The overtake has been described as "aggressive" but to me it's more presumptuous. This is not a criticism, per se, I often kick myself for not taking the first opportunity to overtake due to giving too much benefit of the doubt and then finding myself stuck behind a "40 everywhere" type when there's oncoming traffic at every other passing point. At the most the OP is guilty of giving somebody an opportunity to take exception to his assumption that they're going to be slow.
Unfortunately, I have similar recent experience. In my case, I wasn't even "guilty" of inferred criticism. There was 100yards after the NSL sign for me to gauge whether the car in front was going to accelerate appreciably and to prepare to ovetake in the case that it didn't. It didn't, my car was quicker and although they belatedly attempted to accelerate they failed to block me and I was significatly ahead of them in no time, without even exceeding the limit. All of a sudden instead of meandering along, taking in the view, he's right up my @rse flashing his hazards and telling me to pull over. I don't but it turns out we work at the same place so, like the OP, we have the "talk". I'm assuming that mine was as illuminating as his. It turns out, he really doesn't like being overtaken, it's not the first time I've done it to him, he doesn't believe in NSLs on country roads and is damn-well going to Police them hiself if no-one else is.
There's a lot of potential elements (and even more variations of combinations of proportions) to why they have a problem with being overtaken, many have been covered. At the end of the day, some people are just colossal twunts.
Unfortunately, I have similar recent experience. In my case, I wasn't even "guilty" of inferred criticism. There was 100yards after the NSL sign for me to gauge whether the car in front was going to accelerate appreciably and to prepare to ovetake in the case that it didn't. It didn't, my car was quicker and although they belatedly attempted to accelerate they failed to block me and I was significatly ahead of them in no time, without even exceeding the limit. All of a sudden instead of meandering along, taking in the view, he's right up my @rse flashing his hazards and telling me to pull over. I don't but it turns out we work at the same place so, like the OP, we have the "talk". I'm assuming that mine was as illuminating as his. It turns out, he really doesn't like being overtaken, it's not the first time I've done it to him, he doesn't believe in NSLs on country roads and is damn-well going to Police them hiself if no-one else is.
There's a lot of potential elements (and even more variations of combinations of proportions) to why they have a problem with being overtaken, many have been covered. At the end of the day, some people are just colossal twunts.
jimmy the hat said:
It turns out, he really doesn't like being overtaken, it's not the first time I've done it to him, he doesn't believe in NSLs on country roads and is damn-well going to Police them hiself if no-one else is.
One thing that I have to say is a bit of a pain on the Cheshire NSL roads, is you can be making decent progress and the odd car will still try and overtake where there really isn't space to do it. So you have to back off, or even sometime brake, as they cut back in front of you. The most irritating thing is you often also take a couple of stone hits as well as they cross the fairly unswept centre of the road.Looks like a perfect overtake to me, the only thing that I can think is that the Audi had been making fairly good progress before the RAB and intended to do so after the RAB, however he definitely blocked you which is a stupid move.
I had a similar one ages ago, overtaking a few cars up a short-ish "crawler" lane. Not flying past them by any stretch of the imagination, and cut it short nice and early having identified a suitable return gap. Which the muppet behind promptly attempted to close, punting me into oncoming traffic. Queue mentality!
I had a similar one ages ago, overtaking a few cars up a short-ish "crawler" lane. Not flying past them by any stretch of the imagination, and cut it short nice and early having identified a suitable return gap. Which the muppet behind promptly attempted to close, punting me into oncoming traffic. Queue mentality!
OP you have to remember, you are the advanced driver. You can assume everyone around is not.
You are continually learning from different situations.
From watching your clip, I think your decision was wrong.
Your overtake was too early, before the NSL sign. The Audi was very likely to accelerate upon reaching the sign. As he did.
Yes he should have used his mirrors and let you pass. I am sure he did see you but accelerated anyway. For this he is a Dick.
But, you are the advanced driver and should have predicted this action.
Next time you are in a similar situation, keep a good following distance, staying close to the centre line. Let the car in front make his progress and then, overtake when you have all the information.
The safest option should be chosen when you know all the variables.
You are continually learning from different situations.
From watching your clip, I think your decision was wrong.
Your overtake was too early, before the NSL sign. The Audi was very likely to accelerate upon reaching the sign. As he did.
Yes he should have used his mirrors and let you pass. I am sure he did see you but accelerated anyway. For this he is a Dick.
But, you are the advanced driver and should have predicted this action.
Next time you are in a similar situation, keep a good following distance, staying close to the centre line. Let the car in front make his progress and then, overtake when you have all the information.
The safest option should be chosen when you know all the variables.
I feel the Audi driver didn't want his pride dented by being overtalen. I feel the same as a similar poster that a lot of large SUV drivers (BMW's, Audis etc) have Napoleon syndrome with regards their cars and who is and who isn't allowed to overtake them ever.
I have overtaken such drivers on motorways, B - roads and others and always got the same response as if they are saying "What the hell do you think you are doing" and then being tailgated until we part ways. Your overtake was done at a good long section of road, the view was good and the Audi driver just felt your challenge and didn't want to let you past. What a prat!!!
I have overtaken such drivers on motorways, B - roads and others and always got the same response as if they are saying "What the hell do you think you are doing" and then being tailgated until we part ways. Your overtake was done at a good long section of road, the view was good and the Audi driver just felt your challenge and didn't want to let you past. What a prat!!!
OP
It is my opinion that you started the overtake too early.
YOU are an advanced driver, you know you are in a lower limit and behind a more powerful and quicker car, you can see the nsl ahead ..... I'd wait and see what the car in front does.
I only drive a 2.8 litre 5 series, and I have to admit, I suffer what you tried to do to the audi driver quite often, I just hope I'd be aware of you, let you past me in your diesel slug mobile, and then you can hold me up and boast to your mates how you overtook a beemer !
I hope I'd never respond to you or someone like you in the way the Audi did though, it's not on and dangerous, I can always blat you at the next overtake if I wish.
Well done for the post though, I occasionally post up my cock ups and 50/50's, it's good to get the feedback on here.
The Audi driver is a cock, but you caused the situation, all in my humble opinion of course.
It is my opinion that you started the overtake too early.
YOU are an advanced driver, you know you are in a lower limit and behind a more powerful and quicker car, you can see the nsl ahead ..... I'd wait and see what the car in front does.
I only drive a 2.8 litre 5 series, and I have to admit, I suffer what you tried to do to the audi driver quite often, I just hope I'd be aware of you, let you past me in your diesel slug mobile, and then you can hold me up and boast to your mates how you overtook a beemer !
I hope I'd never respond to you or someone like you in the way the Audi did though, it's not on and dangerous, I can always blat you at the next overtake if I wish.
Well done for the post though, I occasionally post up my cock ups and 50/50's, it's good to get the feedback on here.
The Audi driver is a cock, but you caused the situation, all in my humble opinion of course.
blindswelledrat said:
Audi Driver: Is quick but respectful of the speed limits. Is sick and tired of people overtaking him at 60 in the 40 zone and then holding him up and it has just happened once too often.
I'd agree with this - specifically, how many of us wait for the NSL before flooring it? Expecting others to do the same is completely reasonable unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, such as dawdling before the start of the NSL, which clearly didn't apply in this case.I think the OP made a mistake in this case by trying to go too soon.
I can't see how this is an innocent move by the Q7 driver. It's clear from the video that the OP was almost past the Audi, or definitely alongside. The Audi driver MUST have known the Mondeo was there and actively chose to block the manoeuvre, which (in my book) places him at fault.
If a car is overtaking its plain dangerous to force them to stay on the wrong side of the road, especially coming to a bend. Its a bit different on a motorway, where it often happens, but the end result is that you're simply left in an overtaking lane. To do it on a normal road is madness.
If a car is overtaking its plain dangerous to force them to stay on the wrong side of the road, especially coming to a bend. Its a bit different on a motorway, where it often happens, but the end result is that you're simply left in an overtaking lane. To do it on a normal road is madness.
Although the Audi driver appears to have reacted badly rather than simply accelerating whilst unaware of the OP, the OP, chose to go for the overtake just prior to the NSL limit change. This has effectively prevented the Audi driver from choosing to accelerate when he got to the limit to assist the OP to pass.
Without wanting to criticise the OP, I think it is inconsiderate to overtake in this way.
Without wanting to criticise the OP, I think it is inconsiderate to overtake in this way.
Had the Q7 been dawdling along for some time, I would have gone for that overtake myself - but only if we'd come from a previous NSL where he obviously wasn't making any progress.
However, if he's not long in front of you and has been doing the limit (looks like a 40 repeater at the start?) up until the NSL, then it's only fair to give him a chance to accelerate into it. Particularly as you seem to make the jump before the actual limit changes - perhaps he was just abiding strictly by the limit? In which case, I don't see much point in going for that overtake.
All said and done however it was otherwise legal and achievable - given certain assumptions about the speed of the Audi. You had a good pull past him and I doubt he couldn't have seen you - you must have been level with his bonnet. He doesn't seem to launch into the NSL, rather he only puts the foot down when his ego-dent detector kicks into action. Whether his move to the offside was for the bend, or to intimidate you, who knows?
Pretty optimistic overtake which on another day/against an obviously slower vehicle would have been well timed/executed, but from the moment you were level with the Audi he became a cock of the highest order. Willing to bet he was so focused on the bend and on you, that he never considered there might not have been space behind him for you to retreat back into?
However, if he's not long in front of you and has been doing the limit (looks like a 40 repeater at the start?) up until the NSL, then it's only fair to give him a chance to accelerate into it. Particularly as you seem to make the jump before the actual limit changes - perhaps he was just abiding strictly by the limit? In which case, I don't see much point in going for that overtake.
All said and done however it was otherwise legal and achievable - given certain assumptions about the speed of the Audi. You had a good pull past him and I doubt he couldn't have seen you - you must have been level with his bonnet. He doesn't seem to launch into the NSL, rather he only puts the foot down when his ego-dent detector kicks into action. Whether his move to the offside was for the bend, or to intimidate you, who knows?
Pretty optimistic overtake which on another day/against an obviously slower vehicle would have been well timed/executed, but from the moment you were level with the Audi he became a cock of the highest order. Willing to bet he was so focused on the bend and on you, that he never considered there might not have been space behind him for you to retreat back into?
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