Lane positioning when making a RH turn
Discussion
For some reason, I've started to notice that more and more drivers seem not to adopt correct lane position when waiting to turn right (ie. move over just inside the white line so as to provide room for traffic behind to pass on the left). I've noticed lots of drivers simply stopping pretty-much in the middle of the lane with their right indicator flashing away.
Anyone else noticed this trend?
Anyone else noticed this trend?
I think they do it to stop other traffic squeezing past in the inside, for fear it will damage their precious D reg Transit or whatever. Positioning to turn right is one of those things that my teacher taught me quite early one. It is the sort of thing that is easy to learn but gives you a sense of doing things properly.
Even if the road is wide enough for the one turning right to slightly straddle the white line they will not do it but that is probably due to DSA style training where they are taught not to cross the white line
Many also turn the front wheels to the right whilst waiting which is just waiting for a rear end hit to send tham into oncoming traffic !!
Many also turn the front wheels to the right whilst waiting which is just waiting for a rear end hit to send tham into oncoming traffic !!
supersport said:
Seems to be yet another symptom of modern lazy driving along with not using those funny little orange flashy things on the corners of their cars.
I've often been heard to say out of frustration that I wish manufacturers would stop fitting indicators (and fog lights) so we don't get wound-up by people either not using them at all, or mis-using them!AnotherGareth said:
ian_uk1975 said:
move over just inside the white line so as to provide room for traffic behind to pass on the left
It's not always appropriate - it pains me to see drivers attempting to do this when it reduces their safety and that of other road users.If it makes the situation too tight then its not a good idea
ian_uk1975 said:
Can you provide an example of this?
I imagine any reasonably experienced driver could think of a few. One might be where the junction arrangement is such that emerging vehicles turning left are likely to cross the centre line of the main road, this being more likely is the main road is NSL and visibility to their right a bit limited. Another situation where this can be likely is if the emerging vehicle is performing a hill start in order to pull out. Another could be on an NSL road where the right turn is on or before a bend and where the forward visibility is obscured by, say, shrubbery up to the offside edge of the road. In the this example it might be important to retain the view along the main road and to be seen by on-coming traffic. A third example might be where the lanes are not quite wide enough to allow a following vehicle to slide by on the inside, and so encouraging them not to make the attempt leaves the driver with one less thing to keep an eye on.Edited by AnotherGareth on Saturday 23 June 17:25
R0G said:
I do a right turn near me where the road is wide enough for me to straddle the white line whilst waiting and that allows enough safe room for a LGV to pass each way
I would never do this, based on the number of drivers paying the bare minimum of attention, who wouldn't notice you were over the line until they bounced off your headlamp...What gets me is the increasing number of people who cannot position their car in the right-turn refuge in the middle of the road, so block the entire lane. ~Same idea as the OP, but with more paint.
AnotherGareth said:
I imagine any reasonably experienced driver could think of a few. One might be where the junction arrangement is such that emerging vehicles turning left are likely to cross the centre line of the main road, this being more likely is the main road is NSL and visibility to their right a bit limited. Another situation where this can be likely is if the emerging vehicle is performing a hill start in order to pull out. Another could be on an NSL road where the right turn is on or before a bend and where the forward visibility is obscured by, say, shrubbery up to the offside edge of the road. In the this example it might be important to retain the view along the main road and to be seen by on-coming traffic. A third example might be where the lanes are not quite wide enough to allow a following vehicle to slide by on the inside, and so encouraging them not to make the attempt leaves the driver with one less thing to keep an eye on.
Valid points, although in these instances, one could also argue the driver waiting to pull-out should simply wait until the driver waiting to turn right opposite the junction has completed the move.Edited by AnotherGareth on Saturday 23 June 17:25
My original gripe, however, had nothing to do with situations where one could split hairs and argue the actions of the driving wanting to turn right were justified. I'm talking about blatant cases where drivers stopping to turn right where there's plenty of visibility and room all around, simply stop in the middle of the lane with their right indicator flashing away.
Its just another example of lazy and inconsiderate driving that seems to be affecting everyday driving in the UK.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
cooldude27uk said:
Its just another example of lazy and inconsiderate driving that seems to be affecting everyday driving in the UK.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
"Letting out" implies giving an instruction to another driver, which is not to be advised. However, you might be referring to another more reasonable practice. Say, for example, you wish to turn right into a minor road and there are numerous vehicles following you but no oncoming vehicle, and there is a vehicle signalling to turn right from the same minor road. In this situation, I would argue you might wish to indicate and slow down so that the vehicle wishing to emerge considers it safe to make the manoeuvre. By doing this, you have made minimal impact on the progress of the multiple vehicles behind but also allowed the vehicle emerging to safely get on with its journey. There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
DocSteve said:
cooldude27uk said:
Its just another example of lazy and inconsiderate driving that seems to be affecting everyday driving in the UK.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
"Letting out" implies giving an instruction to another driver, which is not to be advised. However, you might be referring to another more reasonable practice. Say, for example, you wish to turn right into a minor road and there are numerous vehicles following you but no oncoming vehicle, and there is a vehicle signalling to turn right from the same minor road. In this situation, I would argue you might wish to indicate and slow down so that the vehicle wishing to emerge considers it safe to make the manoeuvre. By doing this, you have made minimal impact on the progress of the multiple vehicles behind but also allowed the vehicle emerging to safely get on with its journey. There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
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