4 wheel drive & the real world

4 wheel drive & the real world

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Pixelpeep

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8,600 posts

142 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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How much difference does 4wd make in the real world for general day to day getting about and making progress?

I have heard many a horror story about RWD and snow and have personal experience of the issues of trying to put decent power down in a FWD car so in choosing a 'keeper' should 4wd be a must have, a nice to have or a no point to have.

Reason i ask is because i am looking at next car purchase and if i can bin the need for 4wd my options get a lot cheaper!

Basically the A45 and the RS3 tick all of my boxes except price, the m135i ticks all of them except 4wd so can someone give me real world experiences to give me an idea.

I have never driven a powerful RWD car which also concerns me slightly but i can't ignore the price difference.

Help!

skyrover

12,671 posts

204 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Pixelpeep said:
How much difference does 4wd make in the real world for general day to day getting about and making progress?
That's a very bizarre question...

It makes next to bugger all difference unless it snows.

Otherwise, depending on how it is set up you will have front or rear wheel bias and corresponding under or over steer which wont be apparent unless you are driving hard.

Output Flange

16,798 posts

211 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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You don't need 4WD.

If they're your choices get the M135i if that's your preference and a set of winter tyres. Job jobbed.

Lozw86

873 posts

132 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Certainly in the warm south of England, and driving without loosing your driving license, it makes no difference at all

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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You'll be carting twice the number of drive components around that everyone else is.

Northernchimp

1,282 posts

132 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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MX5

CGJJ

857 posts

124 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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skyrover said:
That's a very bizarre question...

It makes next to bugger all difference unless it snows.

Otherwise, depending on how it is set up you will have front or rear wheel bias and corresponding under or over steer which wont be apparent unless you are driving hard.
Try keeping up with a Subaru STi across country in the rain in any two wheel drive car of your choice and i think you may change your mind…..

GTIR

24,741 posts

266 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Northernchimp said:
MX5
Interesting.

Would a Miata be acceptable?

chrisw666

22,655 posts

199 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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CGJJ said:
Try keeping up with a Subaru STi across country in the rain in any two wheel drive car of your choice and i think you may change your mind…..
Stick to speed limits and allow me to choose the tyres and even with half the power I'm certain it won't be hard.


andy43

9,702 posts

254 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Pulling out of a T junction? Traffic? Wet?
Option A - RWD - hoof it into a gap in the traffic. TC cuts in, cuts out, cuts in, progress is made. Eventually.
Option B - RWD, TC off - hoof it aiming for the gap, wipe out the bus queue and end up in hedge. This assumes non-driving god status/drift king abilities.
Option C - FrWD. As Option A but much slower with more pathetic wheelspin.
Option D - 4wd. Gap, gas, job done.

sawman

4,919 posts

230 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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I find exiting greasy side roads into caps in traffic and negotiating busy roundabouts where you need to get out int other traffic smartish is much less stressful with AWD - not having to battle torque steer or a fishtailing rear end. apart from this, in normal day to day driving there is not much difference, until the weather takes a turn for the worse, when the AWD gives an edge so long as tyres are appropriate for the conditions.

I would imagine some of the clever front diffs and stability controls about these days have reduced the torque steer and wagging tail issues (my last FWD car was a '95 punto GT turbo, which was a difficult beast on a greasy road)

Northernchimp

1,282 posts

132 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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GTIR said:
Northernchimp said:
MX5
Interesting.

Would a Miata be acceptable?
Absolutely not. Must be a RHD MX-5.

TLandCruiser

2,788 posts

198 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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my preference and choice is 4x4 then rwd, I really really do despise fwd. I have owned various 4x4 vehicles and rwds for over 10 years now and after I drove a friends car last week, it reminded me exactly how awful I find FWD cars.

Edited by TLandCruiser on Monday 27th January 18:51

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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andy43 said:
Pulling out of a T junction? Traffic? Wet?
Option A - RWD - hoof it into a gap in the traffic. TC cuts in, cuts out, cuts in, progress is made. Eventually.
Option B - RWD, TC off - hoof it aiming for the gap, wipe out the bus queue and end up in hedge. This assumes non-driving god status/drift king abilities.
Option C - FrWD. As Option A but much slower with more pathetic wheelspin.
Option D - 4wd. Gap, gas, job done.
Option E - ensure you don't have binary throttle control wink

chrisw666

22,655 posts

199 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Podie said:
Option E - ensure you don't have binary throttle control wink
I'm worried that I'm sharing roads with people who can't drive without four wheel drive or traction aids.

Escort3500

11,895 posts

145 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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chrisw666 said:
CGJJ said:
Try keeping up with a Subaru STi across country in the rain in any two wheel drive car of your choice and i think you may change your mind…..
Stick to speed limits and allow me to choose the tyres and even with half the power I'm certain it won't be hard.
rofl

kambites

67,554 posts

221 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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In my experience, 4WD doesn't make cars much faster (than RWD) but it does make them much easier to drive quickly. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a matter of personal taste; for me it's a bad thing.

harryowl

1,114 posts

181 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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andy43 said:
Pulling out of a T junction? Traffic? Wet?
Option A - RWD - hoof it into a gap in the traffic. TC cuts in, cuts out, cuts in, progress is made. Eventually.
Option B - RWD, TC off - hoof it aiming for the gap, wipe out the bus queue and end up in hedge. This assumes non-driving god status/drift king abilities.
Option C - FrWD. As Option A but much slower with more pathetic wheelspin.
Option D - 4wd. Gap, gas, job done.
rolleyes
What about Option E - RWD and the realisation that an accelerator pedal isn't an on/off switch!

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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harryowl said:
rolleyes
What about Option E - RWD and the realisation that an accelerator pedal isn't an on/off switch!
Keep up at the back!

hehe

s p a c e m a n

10,777 posts

148 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Four wheel drive cars are bloody boring, you have to push them beyond what I considered acceptable on a public road to get much excitement from them. If you just want to commute in the rain then yeah they're OK, but it's very unlikely you're ever going to actually need the traction unless you live north of the border.