Aborted overtakes
Discussion
dvenman said:
mac96 said:
Safer to overtake one at a time, regardless of small speed differentials.
- Easier* to overtake one at a time, but if the hand that's dealt is three so close together there's no landing space, then taking them all at once in a safe manner is easy, with practice and - more importantly - restraint.
nonsequitur said:
dvenman said:
mac96 said:
Safer to overtake one at a time, regardless of small speed differentials.
- Easier* to overtake one at a time, but if the hand that's dealt is three so close together there's no landing space, then taking them all at once in a safe manner is easy, with practice and - more importantly - restraint.
waremark said:
There are degrees of restraint. Mr Venman presumably means not attempting the overtake in a marginal situation, and not blowing the doors off the overtaken vehicles with a lot of noise and a high speed differential.
Exactly.Thanks for clarifying for me, waremark.Edited by dvenman on Friday 8th December 12:44
waremark said:
nonsequitur said:
dvenman said:
mac96 said:
Safer to overtake one at a time, regardless of small speed differentials.
- Easier* to overtake one at a time, but if the hand that's dealt is three so close together there's no landing space, then taking them all at once in a safe manner is easy, with practice and - more importantly - restraint.
Rather than having to wait for that opportunity to arise, I suggest it is safer overtaking cars singly, as they are more likely to notice you and not do anything silly. There is a chance that the lead car of a bunch of three won't see you coming and will brake for no reason closing up your landing spaces, or the middle one will pull out into you as you pass. It's the 'all other drivers are idiots' principle that keeps us alive!
Edited by mac96 on Saturday 9th December 21:48
When I used to drive the A7 about 20 years ago I would frequently see the Police driver training cars practicing making progress and overtaking slower vehicles. The technique was to pull out about 30 metres behind the slower car and examine the road ahead. If it was safe they would power forward and overtake. if it wasn't clear they would pull back in and drop back to try again. I use this technique myself and find it works well when it is necessary to overtake. There is no shame in having to drop back in again.
stevensdrs said:
When I used to drive the A7 about 20 years ago I would frequently see the Police driver training cars practicing making progress and overtaking slower vehicles. The technique was to pull out about 30 metres behind the slower car and examine the road ahead. If it was safe they would power forward and overtake. if it wasn't clear they would pull back in and drop back to try again. I use this technique myself and find it works well when it is necessary to overtake. There is no shame in having to drop back in again.
Exactly how we were taught - never carried out 'gaining run' overtakes. Get into right gear - out - take a look - if clear - go - if not - pull back in and wait for another chancemac96 said:
Indeed. i was promoting the idea that it is worth overtaking single vehicles when you catch up with them rather than allowing several to bunch up, even if they are only slightly slower than you, unless you are prepared to either end up at half your desired speed, or patiently waiting for a multiple vehicle overtake opportunity.
Rather than having to wait for that opportunity to arise, I suggest it is safer overtaking cars singly, as they are more likely to notice you and not do anything silly. There is a chance that the lead car of a bunch of three won't see you coming and will brake for no reason closing up your landing spaces, or the middle one will pull out into you as you pass. It's the 'all other drivers are idiots' principle that keeps us alive!
Point taken, but a multi-vehicle overtake after proper assessment of the vehicles in the queue and keeping an eye on the queue as you waft past to forestall issues like that is the order of the day.Rather than having to wait for that opportunity to arise, I suggest it is safer overtaking cars singly, as they are more likely to notice you and not do anything silly. There is a chance that the lead car of a bunch of three won't see you coming and will brake for no reason closing up your landing spaces, or the middle one will pull out into you as you pass. It's the 'all other drivers are idiots' principle that keeps us alive!
And if it's not safe or your gut feel is off, don't do it...
dvenman said:
mac96 said:
Indeed. i was promoting the idea that it is worth overtaking single vehicles when you catch up with them rather than allowing several to bunch up, even if they are only slightly slower than you, unless you are prepared to either end up at half your desired speed, or patiently waiting for a multiple vehicle overtake opportunity.
Rather than having to wait for that opportunity to arise, I suggest it is safer overtaking cars singly, as they are more likely to notice you and not do anything silly. There is a chance that the lead car of a bunch of three won't see you coming and will brake for no reason closing up your landing spaces, or the middle one will pull out into you as you pass. It's the 'all other drivers are idiots' principle that keeps us alive!
Point taken, but a multi-vehicle overtake after proper assessment of the vehicles in the queue and keeping an eye on the queue as you waft past to forestall issues like that is the order of the day.Rather than having to wait for that opportunity to arise, I suggest it is safer overtaking cars singly, as they are more likely to notice you and not do anything silly. There is a chance that the lead car of a bunch of three won't see you coming and will brake for no reason closing up your landing spaces, or the middle one will pull out into you as you pass. It's the 'all other drivers are idiots' principle that keeps us alive!
And if it's not safe or your gut feel is off, don't do it...
I recently had to abort an overtake. Car being overtaken was doing 50ish coming up to a sweeping right-left which there is no real need to slow for. They slowed to about 45ish going through it and I attempted to overtake coming out where it straightens up and you can see what is coming for about half a mile. They proceeded to speed up to close to 60mph so I aborted. I think this is allowable to abort when drivers cant keep a constant speed on the road.
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