Cyclists undertaking
Discussion
janesmith1950 said:
I'm on two minds as to best practice here; do I leave as large a safe gap as I can to my nearside to enable the cyclist, close the gap before the cyclist approaches to deter or do nothing to influence?
Leave the gap. In the circs you describe the cyclist has a choice between staying on the near side and moving to the offside. By the time the cyclist works out the need to move to the offside it sounds like they will have to move across a line of cars which is slowing and concertina-ing. Moving into a shrinking gap is not something most sensible cyclists do, all the less so if they are carrying. A lot of speed.
janesmith1950 said:
On my morning commute, I have a mile or so run down a wide(ish) 40mph road (see pic, the A65 from Rawdon to Horsforth, for anyone interested).
For the most part it is downhill, meaning cyclists can be moving along at 25-35mph.
Passing them early in the journey is normally pretty straightforward, however further down the hill, traffic typically increases and moving speed can drop to 30mph or.
At this point, I fairly regularly experience cyclists wanting to pass me back on the nearside (this is on stretches prior to the cycle lane, for those with local knowledge).
I'm on two minds as to best practice here; do I leave as large a safe gap as I can to my nearside to enable the cyclist, close the gap before the cyclist approaches to deter or do nothing to influence?
gottans said:
Are cyclists allowed to undertake?
If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
I believe they are not - they are bound by same rules as any other road user. Apart from when it ceases to suit them.If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
HumanDoing said:
gottans said:
Are cyclists allowed to undertake?
If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
I believe they are not - they are bound by same rules as any other road user. Apart from when it ceases to suit them.If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
Why overtake them at all if they're doing 35mph in a 40 zone, especially when you know they will catch you in short order and need to re-pass?
When cycling, I always overtake in preference to undertaking. I don't even like to undertake even when there is a cycle lane, having been doored off by a taxi passenger.
When driving, I always plan overtakes according to what's safest for all road users. Average traffic speeds where I usually drive (London) are so slow nowadays that there is very little point overtaking any cyclist but the very slowest, as their average speed is so much higher than that of motor traffic.
When cycling, I always overtake in preference to undertaking. I don't even like to undertake even when there is a cycle lane, having been doored off by a taxi passenger.
When driving, I always plan overtakes according to what's safest for all road users. Average traffic speeds where I usually drive (London) are so slow nowadays that there is very little point overtaking any cyclist but the very slowest, as their average speed is so much higher than that of motor traffic.
BLOCK them from passing because you do not want them to be in the "safe space" for fear of being prosecuted
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Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 14th September 11:56
I think a lot depends on if the cyclist can see over the vehicle in front. If you take a close-to-the-kerb early on, you avoid the situation where ahead and on the other side a bus or lorry overtakes a parked car, and would not understand why you do not move to the left. You cannot then move to the left if you are not sure if a cyclist is there or not. Advanced driving is as much influencing other road users as it is reacting to them.
Edited by Pica-Pica on Thursday 14th September 19:41
HardtopManual said:
gottans said:
Are cyclists allowed to undertake?
Yes, if filtering past stationary or very slow-moving traffic. For example, you wouldn't expect a cyclist to sit in a queue of traffic for several phases of lights; they'd filter either to the ASL or to a position just behind the lead car.gottans said:
Don't you mean filter unseen to inside the construction vehicle or cement lorry ready to be martyred at the next light change.
Filtering past a stationary vehicle is not the same thing as positioning yourself on the inside of one as the lights change, which as you point out is suicidal. Stationary trucks tend not to move sideways.Stickyfinger said:
Over taking or undertaking..............if the space is less than 1.5 meters the cyclist should not be/go there or the driver should not enter that space.
nonsense.Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 14th September 23:16
As a cyclist I can am allowed to filter down the inside of slow moving or stationary traffic, my preference is to overtake on the offside in flowing traffic.
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