Cyclists undertaking

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PositronicRay

11,560 posts

112 months

Sunday 3rd September 2017
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Surrounded by a "pride" the other day some sort of ride out. B road cars parked on my side so I stop to let a car through coming in the opposite direction.

Bikes everywhere (20 plus) at high speed, inside, outside, squeezing between me, parked cars, and oncoming car!

Greg66

7,634 posts

107 months

Sunday 3rd September 2017
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janesmith1950 said:
I'm on two minds as to best practice here; do I leave as large a safe gap as I can to my nearside to enable the cyclist, close the gap before the cyclist approaches to deter or do nothing to influence?
Leave the gap.

In the circs you describe the cyclist has a choice between staying on the near side and moving to the offside. By the time the cyclist works out the need to move to the offside it sounds like they will have to move across a line of cars which is slowing and concertina-ing. Moving into a shrinking gap is not something most sensible cyclists do, all the less so if they are carrying. A lot of speed.

HumanDoing

540 posts

55 months

Sunday 3rd September 2017
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janesmith1950 said:


On my morning commute, I have a mile or so run down a wide(ish) 40mph road (see pic, the A65 from Rawdon to Horsforth, for anyone interested).

For the most part it is downhill, meaning cyclists can be moving along at 25-35mph.

Passing them early in the journey is normally pretty straightforward, however further down the hill, traffic typically increases and moving speed can drop to 30mph or.

At this point, I fairly regularly experience cyclists wanting to pass me back on the nearside (this is on stretches prior to the cycle lane, for those with local knowledge).

I'm on two minds as to best practice here; do I leave as large a safe gap as I can to my nearside to enable the cyclist, close the gap before the cyclist approaches to deter or do nothing to influence?
What in God's name are you blathering on about? Seriously what's next, a thread on how to put your nappy on first thing each morning?

janesmith1950

Original Poster:

1,639 posts

24 months

Monday 4th September 2017
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Well at least if you're here you're not pissing everyone else off bothering nonsense about Foci. So be it.

gottans

2,075 posts

74 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
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Are cyclists allowed to undertake?

If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
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HumanDoing

540 posts

55 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
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gottans said:
Are cyclists allowed to undertake?

If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
I believe they are not - they are bound by same rules as any other road user. Apart from when it ceases to suit them.

Solocle

718 posts

13 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
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HumanDoing said:
gottans said:
Are cyclists allowed to undertake?

If not then they should match their speed to the other traffic on the road or overtake like everyone else on the right.
I believe they are not - they are bound by same rules as any other road user. Apart from when it ceases to suit them.
I don't believe undertaking is actually illegal. It's just strongly discouraged. Hence, they are "allowed" to.

HardtopManual

856 posts

95 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
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Why overtake them at all if they're doing 35mph in a 40 zone, especially when you know they will catch you in short order and need to re-pass?

When cycling, I always overtake in preference to undertaking. I don't even like to undertake even when there is a cycle lane, having been doored off by a taxi passenger.

When driving, I always plan overtakes according to what's safest for all road users. Average traffic speeds where I usually drive (London) are so slow nowadays that there is very little point overtaking any cyclist but the very slowest, as their average speed is so much higher than that of motor traffic.

WilliamWoollard

1,753 posts

122 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

34 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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BLOCK them from passing because you do not want them to be in the "safe space" for fear of being prosecuted

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/...



Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 14th September 11:56

Pica-Pica

2,439 posts

13 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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I think a lot depends on if the cyclist can see over the vehicle in front. If you take a close-to-the-kerb early on, you avoid the situation where ahead and on the other side a bus or lorry overtakes a parked car, and would not understand why you do not move to the left. You cannot then move to the left if you are not sure if a cyclist is there or not. Advanced driving is as much influencing other road users as it is reacting to them.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Thursday 14th September 19:41

gottans

2,075 posts

74 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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HardtopManual said:
gottans said:
Are cyclists allowed to undertake?
Yes, if filtering past stationary or very slow-moving traffic. For example, you wouldn't expect a cyclist to sit in a queue of traffic for several phases of lights; they'd filter either to the ASL or to a position just behind the lead car.
Don't you mean filter unseen to inside the construction vehicle or cement lorry ready to be martyred at the next light change.

daimlerv8

662 posts

9 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Surely it is the pedalist's choice?

If the pedalist wishes to pedal faster than the car,it is up to him/her to make the over/undertake choice,not upto the car driver to place his vehicle into a potentialy dangerous position by encroaching onto the phantom islands?

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

34 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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are you saying the cyclist should put himself into a dangerous position by undertaking moving traffic ?

HardtopManual

856 posts

95 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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gottans said:
Don't you mean filter unseen to inside the construction vehicle or cement lorry ready to be martyred at the next light change.
Filtering past a stationary vehicle is not the same thing as positioning yourself on the inside of one as the lights change, which as you point out is suicidal. Stationary trucks tend not to move sideways.

IroningMan

9,132 posts

175 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
are you saying the cyclist should put himself into a dangerous position by undertaking moving traffic ?
Where would a cycle lane put them?

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

34 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Over taking or undertaking..............if the space is less than 1.5 meters the cyclist should not be/go there or the driver should not enter that space.







Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 14th September 23:16

JustinF

5,857 posts

132 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Over taking or undertaking..............if the space is less than 1.5 meters the cyclist should not be/go there or the driver should not enter that space.







Edited by Stickyfinger on Thursday 14th September 23:16
nonsense.
As a cyclist I can am allowed to filter down the inside of slow moving or stationary traffic, my preference is to overtake on the offside in flowing traffic.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

34 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Then only do it if you have 1.5meters of clearance or you endanger yourself and put the motorist at risk of prosecution.......the Police say so

IroningMan

9,132 posts

175 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Then only do it if you have 1.5meters of clearance or you endanger yourself and put the motorist at risk of prosecution.......the Police say so
We get it - you don't like being asked to leave a sensible gap when overtaking cyclists.