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heebeegeetee said:
As far as I'm aware, no, not at all. I don't think I've seen that said anywhere.
The campaign is about drivers passing cyclists. Nothing else, as far as I'm aware, nothing about undertaking or anything else that you've created for your Myway Code, it's about drivers passing cyclists.
Apparently it has resulted or contributed to a 20% reduction in casualty figures in the first year of operation, and the operation has been hailed a success. https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB69...
http://www.itv.com/news/central/2017-09-18/underco...
No doubt you will continue to bandy words to resist and undermine these efforts to reduce numbers of people killed and injured.
As a motorist I have no difficulty in understanding what is trying to be achieved here, I have no problem whatsoever with it, it makes not a scrap of difference to me anyway because I have manners, but I know there are millions like you who will continue to make life as unpleasant as possible for as many as possible.
A SAFE space is a SAFE space .....why does it matter who is passing who as the damage to the cyclist will be the same if there is a problem. (remember I am talking about whilst my car is moving) The campaign is about drivers passing cyclists. Nothing else, as far as I'm aware, nothing about undertaking or anything else that you've created for your Myway Code, it's about drivers passing cyclists.
Apparently it has resulted or contributed to a 20% reduction in casualty figures in the first year of operation, and the operation has been hailed a success. https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB69...
http://www.itv.com/news/central/2017-09-18/underco...
No doubt you will continue to bandy words to resist and undermine these efforts to reduce numbers of people killed and injured.
As a motorist I have no difficulty in understanding what is trying to be achieved here, I have no problem whatsoever with it, it makes not a scrap of difference to me anyway because I have manners, but I know there are millions like you who will continue to make life as unpleasant as possible for as many as possible.
Why would a cyclist wish to put themselves in that danger zone ?
I also do not wish to put them in danger.
I also do not wish to have a conviction for dangerous driving if it is observed there is a cyclist in that safe pace next to my car.
I am allowed to position my car in any safe position within the lane I am travelling on in the same way any good cyclist will take an assertive position in a lane when required. (quite correctly)
I always give the cyclist the safe space and wait till it is safe to pass as prescribed so please stop accusing me of disregarding the cyclists and their safety.
Stickyfinger said:
A SAFE space is a SAFE space .....why does it matter who is passing who as the damage to the cyclist will be the same if there is a problem. (remember I am talking about whilst my car is moving)
Why would a cyclist wish to put themselves in that danger zone ?
I also do not wish to put them in danger.
I also do not wish to have a conviction for dangerous driving if it is observed there is a cyclist in that safe pace next to my car.
I am allowed to position my car in any safe position within the lane I am travelling on in the same way any good cyclist will take an assertive position in a lane when required. (quite correctly)
I always give the cyclist the safe space and wait till it is safe to pass as prescribed so please stop accusing me of disregarding the cyclists and their safety.
If we're talking about the campaign, the campaign is what it is, and you're talking about something else. You have tried to undermine that campaign by diverting to other issues. That campaign has, according to what we read, reduced the casualty rate by 20%. What's your contribution?Why would a cyclist wish to put themselves in that danger zone ?
I also do not wish to put them in danger.
I also do not wish to have a conviction for dangerous driving if it is observed there is a cyclist in that safe pace next to my car.
I am allowed to position my car in any safe position within the lane I am travelling on in the same way any good cyclist will take an assertive position in a lane when required. (quite correctly)
I always give the cyclist the safe space and wait till it is safe to pass as prescribed so please stop accusing me of disregarding the cyclists and their safety.
But I think you're being dishonest with yourself. You're not the slightest bit interested in cyclists safety. If you (and the other frothers) were at all interested in safety you'd be talking about motorcyclists, whose casualty rate is off the scale.
But you don't talk about them, hardly anybody does, and there aren't multiple threads each week about them and their astonishing casualty rate, because nobody cares that much (including me). So this constant obsession about cyclists safety, bearing in mind that on average cyclists live longer than non-cyclists, is simply a smoke screen for something else.
Why this obsession about cyclists, which results in multiple weekly threads? Speaking as a competent motorist (imo), I have no idea, beyond staggering hypocrisy and mass stupidity. There simply isn't an ounce of sense or logic behind these threads and posts of yours (and others).
No doubt you'll continue to police the roads, according to your Myway Code.
Stickyfinger said:
There is a big clue in the thread title about why we are not talking about M'Bikes.....
Safe space is a safe space, I note you cannot reason why it is safe in way but not the other......
I don't understand how you can't understand this.Safe space is a safe space, I note you cannot reason why it is safe in way but not the other......
If you go for a jog, and find a slow moving traffic jam on a road with no pavement, you would probably be wary but still run alongside it. What you probably wouldn't do is go for a run along the edge of the A12. Even though the gap between the cars and your body is the same, it's a totally different scenario.
Stickyfinger said:
1. There is a big clue in the thread title about why we are not talking about M'Bikes.....
2. Safe space is a safe space, I note you cannot reason why it is safe in way but not the other......
1. But that doesn't explain why you and others are not involved in multiple weekly threads about motor cyclist safety, if you are so bothered about the safety of others.2. Safe space is a safe space, I note you cannot reason why it is safe in way but not the other......
2. The campaign you referred to is about drivers overtaking cyclists, nothing else. And, so far, it seems to have produced a result.
Everything else is something else, and in no way does it give you licence to police the roads.
heebeegeetee said:
1. But that doesn't explain why you and others are not involved in multiple weekly threads about motor cyclist safety, if you are so bothered about the safety of others.
2. The campaign you referred to is about drivers overtaking cyclists, nothing else. And, so far, it seems to have produced a result.
Everything else is something else, and in no way does it give you licence to police the roads.
1. To pull your glitter chain....2. The campaign you referred to is about drivers overtaking cyclists, nothing else. And, so far, it seems to have produced a result.
Everything else is something else, and in no way does it give you licence to police the roads.
2. The campaign works as it should, it recommends what I have ALWAYS done, give good space to cyclists which I take as one of my main responsibilities as a driver.
As such, cyclists should, by Police recommendation and legally, not be within 1.5 meters of my car, I make sure that does not happen when I am on the move by keeping close to the kerb for the safety of my licence and the cyclists health. Naturally if I am over taking or if the road is sufficiently wide I will always allow that space on the inside.
Also, by keeping close to the kerb it allows M'cycles to filter in a safer way. They need this as they are as you say, the most in danger on the roads. Many thank me with a wave.
Why can you not understand my actions prevent danger ?
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 13th October 17:33
Stickyfinger said:
1. To pull your glitter chain....
2. The campaign works as it should, it recommends what I have ALWAYS done, give good space to cyclists which I take as one of my main responsibilities as a driver.
As such, cyclists should, by Police recommendation and legally, not be within 1.5 meters of my car, I make sure that does not happen when I am on the move by keeping close to the kerb for the safety of my licence and the cyclists health. Naturally if I am over taking or if the road is sufficiently wide I will always allow that space on the inside.
Also, by keeping close to the kerb it allows M'cycles to filter in a safer way. They need this as they are as you say, the most in danger on the roads. Many thank me with a wave.
Why can you not understand my actions prevent danger ?
2. The campaign works as it should, it recommends what I have ALWAYS done, give good space to cyclists which I take as one of my main responsibilities as a driver.
As such, cyclists should, by Police recommendation and legally, not be within 1.5 meters of my car, I make sure that does not happen when I am on the move by keeping close to the kerb for the safety of my licence and the cyclists health. Naturally if I am over taking or if the road is sufficiently wide I will always allow that space on the inside.
Also, by keeping close to the kerb it allows M'cycles to filter in a safer way. They need this as they are as you say, the most in danger on the roads. Many thank me with a wave.
Why can you not understand my actions prevent danger ?
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 13th October 17:33
That's exactly how road captains think, to their mind and in their Myway Code, they think their actions reduce danger, but I bet you won't find one single authority, not one single police officer or whoever, will agree that all those people out there policing the roads in accordance with their Myway Code will reduce danger.
I think they'll say the complete opposite.
You do love your labels don't you 
I am doing nothing other than what I am required to do, eg make sure there is 1.5m of space between my car and a cyclist.
Police enforce it, cyclists demand it (correctly) and motorists are duty bound to provide it.
I will ask you again
WHY is it not the safest thing to do ? (and as a side benefit, is it not safer for M'bikes)
I am doing nothing other than what I am required to do, eg make sure there is 1.5m of space between my car and a cyclist.
Police enforce it, cyclists demand it (correctly) and motorists are duty bound to provide it.
I will ask you again
WHY is it not the safest thing to do ? (and as a side benefit, is it not safer for M'bikes)
Stickyfinger said:
You do love your labels don't you
I am doing nothing other than what I am required to do, eg make sure there is 1.5m of space between my car and a cyclist.
Police enforce it, cyclists demand it (correctly) and motorists are duty bound to provide it.
I will ask you again
WHY is it not the safest thing to do ? (and as a side benefit, is it not safer for M'bikes)
That's all in your Myway code. It's your version of events. I am doing nothing other than what I am required to do, eg make sure there is 1.5m of space between my car and a cyclist.
Police enforce it, cyclists demand it (correctly) and motorists are duty bound to provide it.
I will ask you again
WHY is it not the safest thing to do ? (and as a side benefit, is it not safer for M'bikes)
You are required to give room when you pass a cyclist. Nothing more. It's what good drivers have always done anyway.
heebeegeetee said:
That's all in your Myway code. It's your version of events.
You are required to give room when you pass a cyclist. Nothing more. It's what good drivers have always done anyway.
Nope, I am required to ensure my car is not within 1.5m of the cyclist....because I have to maintain the safe space. You are required to give room when you pass a cyclist. Nothing more. It's what good drivers have always done anyway.
1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 13th October 19:51
Stickyfinger said:
Nope, I am required to ensure my car is not within 1.5m of the cyclist....because I have to maintain the safe space.
1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
Myway Code. Yours misses out the stuff you don't want. 1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 13th October 19:51
How much notice do you think people are taking of you?
Stickyfinger said:
Nope, I am required to ensure my car is not within 1.5m of the cyclist....because I have to maintain the safe space.
1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
I do do number 4 when possible. But, if not, number 3. It always depends on the particular road conditions, but I always read the clause in the highway code about same space as meaning to fully offside (or change lane). If it's safe to do 3, most of the time 4 is safe.1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 13th October 19:51
Then again, I was cycling on the road way before I got behind the wheel of a car...
Op, just hold normal position. Don't move left to "block", all that does is make it more likely to end in conflict. No need to sit far right either, all cyclists want from drivers in traffic is steady state behaviour.
Blocking is a bad idea because:
If the cyclist is a helmet can warrior, they might take the opportunity to interpret it as aggression and spack out predictably.
If the cyclist goes for it anyway and there's any form of contact / fall off, then you're open to the " I was up the inside and he moved over on me" accusation.
No-one likes a road captain.
Blocking is a bad idea because:
If the cyclist is a helmet can warrior, they might take the opportunity to interpret it as aggression and spack out predictably.
If the cyclist goes for it anyway and there's any form of contact / fall off, then you're open to the " I was up the inside and he moved over on me" accusation.
No-one likes a road captain.
janesmith1950 said:
Go offside of a car on a busy commuter route full of central islands and refuges at 30mph? That would be a bit mental.
As for leaving space to the nearside- my issue is that to leave sufficient space for them I would need to straddle the centre line/enter the hatched area, which might not be on when the cyclist chooses to enter my nearside.
That's the 'dilemma'.
OP: To (hopefully) bring things back from the recursive brink that these threads tend to become...great that you are considering other road users, largely just stick in your lane and behave as normal.As for leaving space to the nearside- my issue is that to leave sufficient space for them I would need to straddle the centre line/enter the hatched area, which might not be on when the cyclist chooses to enter my nearside.
That's the 'dilemma'.
Downhill in traffic on my bike I'll often take to the outside and judge my gap accordingly, as an agile yet vulnerable road user you soon get a sense of what you can and can't do down the outside, largely it's only the competent, experienced riders who will do this.
The less confident will be on your inside, what they need is consistency, hold your line so they can judge their speed and gaps accordingly; however If you've overtaken a cyclist and then come upon traffic ahead and have room to move to right without impeding anyone else, they'd probably appreciate it.
Some Gump said:
Op, just hold normal position. Don't move left to "block", all that does is make it more likely to end in conflict. No need to sit far right either, all cyclists want from drivers in traffic is steady state behaviour.
Blocking is a bad idea because:
If the cyclist is a helmet can warrior, they might take the opportunity to interpret it as aggression and spack out predictably.
If the cyclist goes for it anyway and there's any form of contact / fall off, then you're open to the " I was up the inside and he moved over on me" accusation.
No-one likes a road captain.
Twin cameras, they can claim what they like as I will have proof if they do enter the "safe space" next to my car.Blocking is a bad idea because:
If the cyclist is a helmet can warrior, they might take the opportunity to interpret it as aggression and spack out predictably.
If the cyclist goes for it anyway and there's any form of contact / fall off, then you're open to the " I was up the inside and he moved over on me" accusation.
No-one likes a road captain.
As said, whilst I am stationary they WILL have the room, whilst moving I do not want them to endanger themselves OR my licence by entering the "safe space" and I need to give space to the most endangered road users...M'Bikes who will be filtering on my outside.
k off stickyfinger, I'm not agreeing with you. Helm.
Stickyfinger said:
Nope, I am required to ensure my car is not within 1.5m of the cyclist....because I have to maintain the safe space.
1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
I love how he extrapolates that to mean he has to place his car in the gutter. 1.........To close to road center/cyclist
2/3/4...Safe space
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 13th October 19:51
That's spesh.
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