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Even better when the MLM gets aggravated about being passed on the left and starts flashing their headlights like they are having a fit. It shows that at some level, they have an understanding about lanes and that normally you should be keeping left except to pass.
If you didn't want to be passed on the left, WTF were you doing dawdling along in the middle lane when the left lane was clear you pillock?!
If you didn't want to be passed on the left, WTF were you doing dawdling along in the middle lane when the left lane was clear you pillock?!
My only worry with undertaking is that the sort of person that's unaware of holding people up is almost certainly not looking in their mirrors for cars coming past on the left. I've had it a few times where drivers wont look at all before moving left, must be exciting in their car...
Middle lane hogging is without doubt my biggest frustration of driving in the UK though. It's excruciating. That and people that think indicators are instructions for the road users around them, "I'm indicating, so it's your responsibility to brake, make space for me". Ugh.
Middle lane hogging is without doubt my biggest frustration of driving in the UK though. It's excruciating. That and people that think indicators are instructions for the road users around them, "I'm indicating, so it's your responsibility to brake, make space for me". Ugh.
130iTrack said:
My only worry with undertaking is that the sort of person that's unaware of holding people up is almost certainly not looking in their mirrors for cars coming past on the left. I've had it a few times where drivers wont look at all before moving left, must be exciting in their car...
Middle lane hogging is without doubt my biggest frustration of driving in the UK though. It's excruciating. That and people that think indicators are instructions for the road users around them, "I'm indicating, so it's your responsibility to brake, make space for me". Ugh.
Wow. Could not agree with this more. Though indicating then forcing yourself in is not quite as bad as not indicating then forcing yourself in anyway.Middle lane hogging is without doubt my biggest frustration of driving in the UK though. It's excruciating. That and people that think indicators are instructions for the road users around them, "I'm indicating, so it's your responsibility to brake, make space for me". Ugh.
My suggestion would be national public education advertisements over TV, press, social media etc.
Yes, there's an upfront cost, but I'd wager that the economic benefits resulting from the improved capacity of the network would be substantial and would outweigh upfront costs. Over time, the need for public eduction would reduce as it becomes the socially accepted norm. Like wearing seat belts.
Alas, like so many things, Governments seem unable to look beyond the short term costs.
Yes, there's an upfront cost, but I'd wager that the economic benefits resulting from the improved capacity of the network would be substantial and would outweigh upfront costs. Over time, the need for public eduction would reduce as it becomes the socially accepted norm. Like wearing seat belts.
Alas, like so many things, Governments seem unable to look beyond the short term costs.
MaxSo said:
My suggestion would be national public education advertisements over TV, press, social media etc.
Yes, there's an upfront cost, but I'd wager that the economic benefits resulting from the improved capacity of the network would be substantial and would outweigh upfront costs. Over time, the need for public eduction would reduce as it becomes the socially accepted norm. Like wearing seat belts.
Alas, like so many things, Governments seem unable to look beyond the short term costs.
I couldn't agree more!Yes, there's an upfront cost, but I'd wager that the economic benefits resulting from the improved capacity of the network would be substantial and would outweigh upfront costs. Over time, the need for public eduction would reduce as it becomes the socially accepted norm. Like wearing seat belts.
Alas, like so many things, Governments seem unable to look beyond the short term costs.
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.
If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.
If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
lyonspride said:
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.
If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
JM said:
lyonspride said:
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.
If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
lyonspride said:
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.
If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.
JC
They are not a fast driver, so if they sit in lane 1, and let other people past in lane 2, when it comes to their requirement to move into lane 2, nobody will let them. Because "why should that driver move into lane 2 and hold me up when I'm clearly faster".
Thus after getting that a few times, the "lane hog" would sooner sit in lane 2 and let other people have problems, rather than struggle and fight to use the junction they want.
Road design can encourage lane hogging. The A59 at Samlesbury both towards and away from the M6 now splits into one lane for one direction and the other lane for another direction when it used to have sliproad turns off the main carriageway.
People wanting the outside lane for their direction at the next junction will now sit in the outside lane from one end to the other of this stretch of dual carriageway. As said above, this is encouraged by the people who will complain about lane hoggers but encourage the behaviour by not letting people staying left move out closer to the junction where they need to get in lane.
People wanting the outside lane for their direction at the next junction will now sit in the outside lane from one end to the other of this stretch of dual carriageway. As said above, this is encouraged by the people who will complain about lane hoggers but encourage the behaviour by not letting people staying left move out closer to the junction where they need to get in lane.
Usually I consider it good courtesy to a MLM to give a brief flash of main beams as I approach in L1. Usually I've been in L1 long enough to observe the MLM and have a reasonable view on how likely they are to use L1. A quick flash A) alerts them to my presence approaching on their rear left quarter and B) invites them to move left. If they refuse to move over, I simply carry on. I've invited them across so that I don't pass them on the left, if they refuse then they can't get worked up about it when I subsequently do.
Lane hogging ought to be a £500 on-the-spot fine, and 6 penalty points. That would would perhaps wake a few drivers up.
Lane hogging ought to be a £500 on-the-spot fine, and 6 penalty points. That would would perhaps wake a few drivers up.
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