Undertaking....

Author
Discussion

Lucas Ayde

3,557 posts

168 months

Wednesday 6th June 2018
quotequote all
Even better when the MLM gets aggravated about being passed on the left and starts flashing their headlights like they are having a fit. It shows that at some level, they have an understanding about lanes and that normally you should be keeping left except to pass.

If you didn't want to be passed on the left, WTF were you doing dawdling along in the middle lane when the left lane was clear you pillock?!

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

163 months

Wednesday 6th June 2018
quotequote all
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
FTFY.

Don't get me started !.....furious

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

183 months

Wednesday 6th June 2018
quotequote all
Pericoloso said:
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
FTFY.

Don't get me started !.....furious
More like the freeway scene from Matrix 2

waremark

3,242 posts

213 months

Wednesday 6th June 2018
quotequote all
Be careful not to provoke road rage.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

155 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
quotequote all
waremark said:
Be careful not to provoke road rage.
That seems to be what 90% of UK drivers set out to do.

JM

3,170 posts

206 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
quotequote all
Pericoloso said:
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
FTFY.

Don't get me started !.....furious
FTFY.



Meanwhile north of the border.




laugh

InitialDave

11,900 posts

119 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
quotequote all
JM said:
Meanwhile north of the border.




laugh
Looks enticing, but I can't help but feel it's really a Where's Wally for camera vans?

feef

5,206 posts

183 months

Friday 8th June 2018
quotequote all
InitialDave said:
Looks enticing, but I can't help but feel it's really a Where's Wally for camera vans?
Now that it's getting popular, the NC500 might well get like that, but the last few years I did it, it was pretty much deserted from Dunnet Head right round to Corran

130iTrack

74 posts

88 months

Friday 8th June 2018
quotequote all
My only worry with undertaking is that the sort of person that's unaware of holding people up is almost certainly not looking in their mirrors for cars coming past on the left. I've had it a few times where drivers wont look at all before moving left, must be exciting in their car...

Middle lane hogging is without doubt my biggest frustration of driving in the UK though. It's excruciating. That and people that think indicators are instructions for the road users around them, "I'm indicating, so it's your responsibility to brake, make space for me". Ugh.

Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

78 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
quotequote all
130iTrack said:
My only worry with undertaking is that the sort of person that's unaware of holding people up is almost certainly not looking in their mirrors for cars coming past on the left. I've had it a few times where drivers wont look at all before moving left, must be exciting in their car...

Middle lane hogging is without doubt my biggest frustration of driving in the UK though. It's excruciating. That and people that think indicators are instructions for the road users around them, "I'm indicating, so it's your responsibility to brake, make space for me". Ugh.
Wow. Could not agree with this more. Though indicating then forcing yourself in is not quite as bad as not indicating then forcing yourself in anyway.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
quotequote all
Been using the mostly empty lane 1 on the for many years now. I gently pass mlms. Nothing aggressive, not too big a speed difference but enough not to hang about in a blind spot. Legal but never done it in front of plod.

It's just so bloody selfish.

MaxSo

1,910 posts

95 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
quotequote all
My suggestion would be national public education advertisements over TV, press, social media etc.

Yes, there's an upfront cost, but I'd wager that the economic benefits resulting from the improved capacity of the network would be substantial and would outweigh upfront costs. Over time, the need for public eduction would reduce as it becomes the socially accepted norm. Like wearing seat belts.

Alas, like so many things, Governments seem unable to look beyond the short term costs.

130iTrack

74 posts

88 months

Monday 11th June 2018
quotequote all
MaxSo said:
My suggestion would be national public education advertisements over TV, press, social media etc.

Yes, there's an upfront cost, but I'd wager that the economic benefits resulting from the improved capacity of the network would be substantial and would outweigh upfront costs. Over time, the need for public eduction would reduce as it becomes the socially accepted norm. Like wearing seat belts.

Alas, like so many things, Governments seem unable to look beyond the short term costs.
I couldn't agree more!

JCDenton

22 posts

72 months

Monday 25th June 2018
quotequote all
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.

If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.

JC

lyonspride

2,978 posts

155 months

Monday 25th June 2018
quotequote all
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.

If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.

JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.

JM

3,170 posts

206 months

Monday 25th June 2018
quotequote all
lyonspride said:
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.

If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.

JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.
And since they are turning right from the right hand lane it is perfectly legal to pass them on the left.




lyonspride

2,978 posts

155 months

Monday 25th June 2018
quotequote all
JM said:
lyonspride said:
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.

If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.

JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.
And since they are turning right from the right hand lane it is perfectly legal to pass them on the left.
Well it's not illegal anyway, I think that's already been established.......... But if they're not positioning or indicating to turn right and the right turn in 4 miles away, then they are simply lane hogging.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
quotequote all
lyonspride said:
JCDenton said:
There is a section of dual carriageway coming out of Birmingham, 40mph with a few right turns fairly regularly. It is quite common to find some lemon, who has to turn right in a couple of miles sat in lane 2 the whole way doing 30-35 at best with lane 1 empty. I used to have great fun slowly creeping up on them still below 40 (bloody cameras) and 9 times out of ten, as soon as you were level or an inch ahead of them, they would speed up to something more sensible and I would just smile and enjoy the ride.

If it wasn't so many people it would be funny. And yes on the odd occasion you'd pass them, as they kept plodding along at 30, as they didn't want to miss their turn 1/2 a mile ahead.

JC
A lot of people do this just to be awkward and turning right 4 miles down the road is (to them) the perfect excuse, what they're doing is setting up a situation whereby they can pretend to be all offended and gain a victory in the form of moral superiority over anyone who a) tailgates them, b) undertakes them or c) sinply gets annoyed by them.
Remember that a lot of them have been "trained" into it by other muppets on the road.

They are not a fast driver, so if they sit in lane 1, and let other people past in lane 2, when it comes to their requirement to move into lane 2, nobody will let them. Because "why should that driver move into lane 2 and hold me up when I'm clearly faster".

Thus after getting that a few times, the "lane hog" would sooner sit in lane 2 and let other people have problems, rather than struggle and fight to use the junction they want.

Blakewater

4,309 posts

157 months

Wednesday 27th June 2018
quotequote all
Road design can encourage lane hogging. The A59 at Samlesbury both towards and away from the M6 now splits into one lane for one direction and the other lane for another direction when it used to have sliproad turns off the main carriageway.

People wanting the outside lane for their direction at the next junction will now sit in the outside lane from one end to the other of this stretch of dual carriageway. As said above, this is encouraged by the people who will complain about lane hoggers but encourage the behaviour by not letting people staying left move out closer to the junction where they need to get in lane.

Muddle238

3,898 posts

113 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
quotequote all
Usually I consider it good courtesy to a MLM to give a brief flash of main beams as I approach in L1. Usually I've been in L1 long enough to observe the MLM and have a reasonable view on how likely they are to use L1. A quick flash A) alerts them to my presence approaching on their rear left quarter and B) invites them to move left. If they refuse to move over, I simply carry on. I've invited them across so that I don't pass them on the left, if they refuse then they can't get worked up about it when I subsequently do.

Lane hogging ought to be a £500 on-the-spot fine, and 6 penalty points. That would would perhaps wake a few drivers up.