Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?

Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?

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Pica-Pica

13,621 posts

83 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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Liquid Knight said:
This is where in the knob thread I suggested the brake lights turn off automatically after say five or six seconds if the speed sensor remains at zero. Pedal pressed or not (auto-stop).

Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
So as you are stopped just around the corner off an exit road, and someone comes flying around the corner?

Haltamer

2,453 posts

79 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
Liquid Knight said:
This is where in the knob thread I suggested the brake lights turn off automatically after say five or six seconds if the speed sensor remains at zero. Pedal pressed or not (auto-stop).

Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
So as you are stopped just around the corner off an exit road, and someone comes flying around the corner?
yes
Whilst I see where you're coming for, when I do want to display the brake lights, I do want to display the brake lights - I don't think it will ever be legal, let alone safe, to automatically switch off the footbrake brake lights.


On the topic of stupid brake lights; those that retrofit F1 Style flashing relays to their brake lights. Big facepalm as I was following a chavved out golf the other day and the brakes pulse.. pulse.. pulse flashflashflash (For all braking, He wasn't slamming on) rolleyes

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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....id say far too much time on your hands...

Boosted LS1

21,165 posts

259 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
Liquid Knight said:
This is where in the knob thread I suggested the brake lights turn off automatically after say five or six seconds if the speed sensor remains at zero. Pedal pressed or not (auto-stop).

Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
So as you are stopped just around the corner off an exit road, and someone comes flying around the corner?
They shouldn't be flying around the corner ffs!

RDMcG

19,095 posts

206 months

Saturday 17th November 2018
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Universally in North America people keep foot on brake at traffic lights. Majority of my cars do to have a handbrake anyway ( mostly German cars), and it doesn't to bother me in the least., Seems a silly thing to be bothered about, frankly, They are hardly blinding.

daytona111r

762 posts

203 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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Big fking Deal.


Fog lights on when there's no fog - yes you're a nob. But anyone who is claiming brake lights at junctions burns their retinas - and I've heard this a lot - is just being an offended snowflake.

I sometimes use the footbrake, sometimes use the handbrake - depends on what type of junctions an how long i think the wait will be. And to be fair I have yet to meet a handbrake that I have actually like the action of.

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

182 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.

See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.

As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.

djc206

12,244 posts

124 months

Sunday 18th November 2018
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Liquid Knight said:
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.

See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.

As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
My last two Audis would hold the car on the electronic handbrake without the brake lights on, accelerate and it would disengage automatically, great system. My automatic mustangs manual handbrake may as well be painted on it’s so st, it can only hold the car if wrenched up to my armpit, so my only options are stick the car in park or hold on the footbrake. The gearbox is fairly dim witted so footbrake it is unless stationary for an extended period.

jamei303

2,996 posts

155 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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Liquid Knight said:
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.

See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
I don't see how using the brakes to hold the car stationary implies a lack of ability.

Using the parking brake when not actually parked might do, but that's a separate argument.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

154 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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Brake lights always on if your at the back of a queue of traffic, unless you like being rear ended.......

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Tuesday 20th November 2018
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I've noticed for a long time that if you see one example of poor driving from someone, you're very likely to see more in the ensuing minutes. I suspect this is well known to the police. Personally I use this fact to improve my safety - if someone does something stupid, then I give them more room.

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Tuesday 20th November 2018
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Liquid Knight said:
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.

See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.

As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
I suggest you are suffering massively from confirmation bias and I reject your hypothesis.
Several examples of people doing silly things who also drive automatics is not compelling statistical evidence.

I, like others urge you get a life. Perhaps going to do a degree course in statistics might be useful as well.

Bert

Boosted LS1

21,165 posts

259 months

Tuesday 20th November 2018
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^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.

waremark

3,241 posts

212 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Boosted LS1 said:
^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.
Quite clearly not what many manufacturers think it's for. If they did, they would not make their engines restart when transitioning from foot brake to parking brake, they would not provide brake hold systems for the foot brake, they would not have awkward to apply and release or slow to apply and release parking brakes, and they would not make it difficult to transition from foot brake to parking brake without a jolt. In a car which avoids all the above pitfalls I am willing to release the foot brake once the situation behind is stable. Otherwise, I expect the driver behind to tolerate my brake lights. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with laziness.

SamR380

725 posts

119 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Boosted LS1 said:
laziness
Yes, I commute in automatics because it's easier than manual cars.

Boosted LS1 said:
a lack of consideration for those behind
How? The lights on my Rover 75/SD1 aren't very bright.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

154 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Boosted LS1 said:
^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.
If I "consider" the tailgating Audi driver who proceeds to sit 2 inches from my bumper when we reach a set of lights, then I "consider" it fitting to burn my brake lights into the f**kers eyeballs..... I may even sit there tapping the brakes for maximum effect tongue out

I even went to the trouble of replacing my centre brake light w5w bulbs with a extra bright COB LEDs, just for this reason.

Boosted LS1

21,165 posts

259 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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The fact this matter is frequently debated would confirm there is an issue and the manufacturers have got it wrong supported by a few inconsiderate drivers who don't help.

jamei303

2,996 posts

155 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Boosted LS1 said:
The fact this matter is frequently debated would confirm there is an issue and the manufacturers have got it wrong supported by a few inconsiderate drivers who don't help.
No it doesn't. I bet more people use their mobiles while driving than complain about being dazzled by brake lights, that doesn't mean the law on mobile use is wrong.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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Boosted LS1 said:
^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.
Just because the handbrake is on, doesn't mean they should remove their foot from the foot brake. Why rely on one system, when you have the option to use two, in case one fails?

Park in gear, and handbrake on.
Stationary on foot brake, and handbrake on.

That's not lazy. That's sensible. Is it inconsiderate?...probably not. Does it have the possibility of avoiding a situation that would be a PITA for very little effort? Why yes it does, so it's worth doing.

Boosted LS1

21,165 posts

259 months

Wednesday 21st November 2018
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By that logic you may as well use the handbrake and foot brake when slowing down. Just in case the foot brake fails.