Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?
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Liquid Knight said:
This is where in the knob thread I suggested the brake lights turn off automatically after say five or six seconds if the speed sensor remains at zero. Pedal pressed or not (auto-stop).
Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
So as you are stopped just around the corner off an exit road, and someone comes flying around the corner?Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
Pica-Pica said:
Liquid Knight said:
This is where in the knob thread I suggested the brake lights turn off automatically after say five or six seconds if the speed sensor remains at zero. Pedal pressed or not (auto-stop).
Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
So as you are stopped just around the corner off an exit road, and someone comes flying around the corner?Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
Whilst I see where you're coming for, when I do want to display the brake lights, I do want to display the brake lights - I don't think it will ever be legal, let alone safe, to automatically switch off the footbrake brake lights.
On the topic of stupid brake lights; those that retrofit F1 Style flashing relays to their brake lights. Big facepalm as I was following a chavved out golf the other day and the brakes pulse.. pulse.. pulse flashflashflash (For all braking, He wasn't slamming on)
Pica-Pica said:
Liquid Knight said:
This is where in the knob thread I suggested the brake lights turn off automatically after say five or six seconds if the speed sensor remains at zero. Pedal pressed or not (auto-stop).
Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
So as you are stopped just around the corner off an exit road, and someone comes flying around the corner?Manufacturers are intent on making cars that do most of the driving for us (to make us used to the idea of full automation) why not a simple timer to save others hassle?
Big fking Deal.
Fog lights on when there's no fog - yes you're a nob. But anyone who is claiming brake lights at junctions burns their retinas - and I've heard this a lot - is just being an offended snowflake.
I sometimes use the footbrake, sometimes use the handbrake - depends on what type of junctions an how long i think the wait will be. And to be fair I have yet to meet a handbrake that I have actually like the action of.
Fog lights on when there's no fog - yes you're a nob. But anyone who is claiming brake lights at junctions burns their retinas - and I've heard this a lot - is just being an offended snowflake.
I sometimes use the footbrake, sometimes use the handbrake - depends on what type of junctions an how long i think the wait will be. And to be fair I have yet to meet a handbrake that I have actually like the action of.
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.
See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
Liquid Knight said:
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.
See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
My last two Audis would hold the car on the electronic handbrake without the brake lights on, accelerate and it would disengage automatically, great system. My automatic mustangs manual handbrake may as well be painted on it’s so st, it can only hold the car if wrenched up to my armpit, so my only options are stick the car in park or hold on the footbrake. The gearbox is fairly dim witted so footbrake it is unless stationary for an extended period. See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
Liquid Knight said:
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.
See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
I don't see how using the brakes to hold the car stationary implies a lack of ability. See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
Using the parking brake when not actually parked might do, but that's a separate argument.
I've noticed for a long time that if you see one example of poor driving from someone, you're very likely to see more in the ensuing minutes. I suspect this is well known to the police. Personally I use this fact to improve my safety - if someone does something stupid, then I give them more room.
Liquid Knight said:
To reiterate again. I have not mentioned the brightness of brake lights in this thread but a lack of driver ability.
See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
I suggest you are suffering massively from confirmation bias and I reject your hypothesis.See someone who cannot operate a hand brake and watch as they do something else just as poor.
As for the automated brake light being problematic the reapplication of the brake would reset the timer. So when you see the vehicle behind you can let them know you're there. Unless your vehicle is completely invisible (or bright yellow) this should not be an issue.
Several examples of people doing silly things who also drive automatics is not compelling statistical evidence.
I, like others urge you get a life. Perhaps going to do a degree course in statistics might be useful as well.
Bert
Boosted LS1 said:
^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.
Quite clearly not what many manufacturers think it's for. If they did, they would not make their engines restart when transitioning from foot brake to parking brake, they would not provide brake hold systems for the foot brake, they would not have awkward to apply and release or slow to apply and release parking brakes, and they would not make it difficult to transition from foot brake to parking brake without a jolt. In a car which avoids all the above pitfalls I am willing to release the foot brake once the situation behind is stable. Otherwise, I expect the driver behind to tolerate my brake lights. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with laziness. Boosted LS1 said:
^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.
If I "consider" the tailgating Audi driver who proceeds to sit 2 inches from my bumper when we reach a set of lights, then I "consider" it fitting to burn my brake lights into the f**kers eyeballs..... I may even sit there tapping the brakes for maximum effect I even went to the trouble of replacing my centre brake light w5w bulbs with a extra bright COB LEDs, just for this reason.
Boosted LS1 said:
The fact this matter is frequently debated would confirm there is an issue and the manufacturers have got it wrong supported by a few inconsiderate drivers who don't help.
No it doesn't. I bet more people use their mobiles while driving than complain about being dazzled by brake lights, that doesn't mean the law on mobile use is wrong.Boosted LS1 said:
^ Nope, he has a valid point. Sitting on the brakes shows an element of laziness and a lack of consideration for those behind. Use the handbrake when stationary for more then a few moments. It's what it's for imo and it's a simple task to carry out.
Just because the handbrake is on, doesn't mean they should remove their foot from the foot brake. Why rely on one system, when you have the option to use two, in case one fails?Park in gear, and handbrake on.
Stationary on foot brake, and handbrake on.
That's not lazy. That's sensible. Is it inconsiderate?...probably not. Does it have the possibility of avoiding a situation that would be a PITA for very little effort? Why yes it does, so it's worth doing.
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