Undertaking on dual carriageway?
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Flibble said:
See this is your mistake. The reaction to you is not because you drive a Subaru, but because of how you act.
Personally I prefer Subarus to BMWs in general (I drive a more-or-less Subaru after all), but you really do yourself no favours.
your mistake is you are stuck up some high horse with some rose tinted glasses like many others, that BMW was a moron and has the same blinkered attitude as you it seems - periodPersonally I prefer Subarus to BMWs in general (I drive a more-or-less Subaru after all), but you really do yourself no favours.
undertaking like that usually results in people braking and in many cases leads to accidents like seen on here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEs-grcfyF8
What I drive has nothing to do with this, any self respected car could leave a 3 series derv standing but maybe this driver was aggrieved or something after leaving it behind at the shell basset jct not too unlike the A6 pos a few months back on the M4 who drove like a maniac to catch up and undertake me - German drivers and dervs do seem to have some mental issues they should address it seems
ericmcn said:
undertaking like that ......
Was that even 'undertaking '?How about:
Rule 268 of the Highway Code states – do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right.
Why were the camera car and SUV sitting in lane 2 when not overtaking? If the camera car was waiting to overtake the SUV he has to be aware that others may overtake on the left.
In the first clip the BMW moved left and then immediately accelerated and undertook on a pedestrian crossing and in the zig zag markings, potential licence losing event right there.
In the second clip, or at least the longer version posted later, when you get glimpses ahead of the Disco there is a long line of traffic ahead in lane 2 that's essentially holding up the Disco and camera car.
We don't know the situation behind camera car but I'm willing to bet they were just part of a long camel train. Now if Disco and camera car had moved to lane 1, what's the chances that the followers would have just moved up and blocked them in lane 1. It's a dilemma what to do.
If the BMW was simply relying on the traffic moving slowly in lanes and ok to go past if the lane to your right is moving slower then that's one thing. If it was a case, as we see so often, where someone moves left, goes up the inside fully with the intention that when they get to the next vehicle in lane 1 they will shoulder their way out into a space that isn't there that's quite another matter and worthy of a tug.
In short all depends, need more information.
In the second clip, or at least the longer version posted later, when you get glimpses ahead of the Disco there is a long line of traffic ahead in lane 2 that's essentially holding up the Disco and camera car.
We don't know the situation behind camera car but I'm willing to bet they were just part of a long camel train. Now if Disco and camera car had moved to lane 1, what's the chances that the followers would have just moved up and blocked them in lane 1. It's a dilemma what to do.
If the BMW was simply relying on the traffic moving slowly in lanes and ok to go past if the lane to your right is moving slower then that's one thing. If it was a case, as we see so often, where someone moves left, goes up the inside fully with the intention that when they get to the next vehicle in lane 1 they will shoulder their way out into a space that isn't there that's quite another matter and worthy of a tug.
In short all depends, need more information.
FiF said:
If the BMW was simply relying on the traffic moving slowly in lanes and ok to go past if the lane to your right is moving slower then that's one thing. If it was a case, as we see so often, where someone moves left, goes up the inside fully with the intention that when they get to the next vehicle in lane 1 they will shoulder their way out into a space that isn't there that's quite another matter and worthy of a tug.
In short all depends, need more information.
I don't entirely disagree but it's worth pointing out that the HWC does not mention anything about moving slowly. And I stick to the comment that if you are in that sort of camel train in lane 2 waiting to overtake and with nothing to your left you have to expect traffic to pass you on the left. It doesn't make the BMW either dangerous or guilty of an offence. In short all depends, need more information.
waremark said:
FiF said:
If the BMW was simply relying on the traffic moving slowly in lanes and ok to go past if the lane to your right is moving slower then that's one thing. If it was a case, as we see so often, where someone moves left, goes up the inside fully with the intention that when they get to the next vehicle in lane 1 they will shoulder their way out into a space that isn't there that's quite another matter and worthy of a tug.
In short all depends, need more information.
I don't entirely disagree but it's worth pointing out that the HWC does not mention anything about moving slowly. And I stick to the comment that if you are in that sort of camel train in lane 2 waiting to overtake and with nothing to your left you have to expect traffic to pass you on the left. It doesn't make the BMW either dangerous or guilty of an offence. In short all depends, need more information.
Which is why I said it all depends. In my opinion if the BMW was established in lane 1 and then passed on the left as the traffic in lane 2 braked and slowed, as it clearly did in the video, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. If it was as the first clip, moving left and immediately going for the pass then starts to get more questionable, plus if then having passed pulled back out into lane 2 then it gets even more dodgy, especially if they had to elbow their way out. But we don't have that extra information.
FiF said:
What the highway code actually says is "stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left"
What version of the HWC do you have? I think what I quoted is the current version which makes no reference to traffic moving slowly, only to congested traffic.Like you, I strongly disapprove of drivers moving to the left to overtake and then elbowing their way out, but it does happen, isn't really dangerous and is most unlikely to be prosecuted.
waremark said:
What version of the HWC do you have? I think what I quoted is the current version which makes no reference to traffic moving slowly, only to congested traffic.
Like you, I strongly disapprove of drivers moving to the left to overtake and then elbowing their way out, but it does happen, isn't really dangerous and is most unlikely to be prosecuted.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203Like you, I strongly disapprove of drivers moving to the left to overtake and then elbowing their way out, but it does happen, isn't really dangerous and is most unlikely to be prosecuted.
Driver-fined-337-loses-two-demerit-points-fellow-motorists-PRAISE-police.
And in NSW you can overtake on the left anywhere there are marked lanes.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6884209/D...
And in NSW you can overtake on the left anywhere there are marked lanes.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6884209/D...
R0G said:
There is no law preventing the passing of another vehicle on the nearside
Hi all - I am very interested in the answer to this - the bit that has always made me ponder though is the concept of a 'queue'. Apologies if I have missed it but that does not seem to be addressed in this thread.Rule 163:
"stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left"
Looking at the original post there is no indication that there was any car in front of the vehicle in lane 2 - so, the 'queue' exception cannot apply - can it? Also, one could argue that this describes a situation that envisages multiple queues - does there have to be one in lane 1 and lane 2!!!
(I think that this is probably where the assertion comes from that this is to address periods of congestion and not lane hogging).
That said, is the point that there is no 'offence' for passing a car on the left (whether there is queuing traffic or not) ... and the HC is providing advice? I'm no lawyer so do not know of there is a distinction.
In a nutshell and, clearly, the ideal situation is for there to be 2 discourteous drivers hogging lane 2 - then this will constitute a queue ... and it's OK to pass on the left. :-)
Maybe the answer is that we need more bad drivers - and they need to team up.
(I am being sarcastic with that last bit BTW - in case you hadn't noticed!)
Best regards
Ian
It's amazing how many people say they get annoyed by 'lane hoggers', I've never once heard any one say they sit in lanes 2 or 3 all the time.
Yet the number of people who do it beggars belief!
I drive 330 miles to work and constantly get people sat in the wrong lane.
Sometimes they'll have passed a lorry and there's another one ahead, but by the time they've got to it, we've covered up to a mile of passing nothing!!!
If there is time for someone to get annoyed with you, change lanes and undertake you, then you're in the wrong lane...
If I have time, I tend to, 'pass the traffic in the left lane', shortly followed by moving back into the right hand lane and dropping my speed. I'll quite happily sit there until they get the idea and move into the correct lane.
Another pet hate....
You're approaching a car in the wrong lane at a greater speed than them, they make you slow down to their speed before moving into the correct lane, you speed up and pass them and they immediately move back into the wrong sodding lane for no reason!!!!!!
I think I actually hate driving...
Yet the number of people who do it beggars belief!
I drive 330 miles to work and constantly get people sat in the wrong lane.
Sometimes they'll have passed a lorry and there's another one ahead, but by the time they've got to it, we've covered up to a mile of passing nothing!!!
If there is time for someone to get annoyed with you, change lanes and undertake you, then you're in the wrong lane...
If I have time, I tend to, 'pass the traffic in the left lane', shortly followed by moving back into the right hand lane and dropping my speed. I'll quite happily sit there until they get the idea and move into the correct lane.
Another pet hate....
You're approaching a car in the wrong lane at a greater speed than them, they make you slow down to their speed before moving into the correct lane, you speed up and pass them and they immediately move back into the wrong sodding lane for no reason!!!!!!
I think I actually hate driving...
I thought there were a lot of exaggerations on this thread. ... then, I left London early yesterday morning on the MI. Not much traffic between Staples Corner and the M25- but just about all of it was in the middle lane. Given that it was 5.45 am, I'd guess most of them were too tired to be driving in the first place.
Matt 211988 said:
If there is time for someone to get annoyed with you, change lanes and undertake you, then you're in the wrong lane...
My IAM training dictated ten seconds as a useful rule of thumb. If you are likely to be in a left hand lane for ten seconds or more, then move over. I wish that this would be broadcast on the motorway messages, just to give drivers some guidance. Inappropriate hogging of lanes simply puts a bottle neck on the outermost lane and an accordion effect takes place, which can be very frustrating.
bolidemichael said:
Matt 211988 said:
If there is time for someone to get annoyed with you, change lanes and undertake you, then you're in the wrong lane...
My IAM training dictated ten seconds as a useful rule of thumb. If you are likely to be in a left hand lane for ten seconds or more, then move over. I wish that this would be broadcast on the motorway messages, just to give drivers some guidance. Inappropriate hogging of lanes simply puts a bottle neck on the outermost lane and an accordion effect takes place, which can be very frustrating.
Yesterday was an eye opener when it came to driving standards, I'm used to driving on the M25 with commuters which means tailgating and aggressive driving but on the whole the traffic flows quite freely.
Ended up driving to Luton airport due to railway engineering works and came across so many imbeciles who seemingly venture onto the motorway for once a year and would far prefer the usual 9-5'ers.
Despite being in a loud car and intimidating car I was repeatedly cut up by people not looking before changing lanes and having to scrub off speed but the icing on the cake was this throbber who in a 50mph zone was driving along the middle of the lines at 45mph, I passed him still in lane which perhaps counts as an undertake which woke him up where he then became rather irate gesticulating and mouthing off at me.
Noticed he had a dashcam and could be a dcw so saved the evidence on mine just incase
Edit: Just realised the times out on the top dashcam.
Ended up driving to Luton airport due to railway engineering works and came across so many imbeciles who seemingly venture onto the motorway for once a year and would far prefer the usual 9-5'ers.
Despite being in a loud car and intimidating car I was repeatedly cut up by people not looking before changing lanes and having to scrub off speed but the icing on the cake was this throbber who in a 50mph zone was driving along the middle of the lines at 45mph, I passed him still in lane which perhaps counts as an undertake which woke him up where he then became rather irate gesticulating and mouthing off at me.
Noticed he had a dashcam and could be a dcw so saved the evidence on mine just incase
Edit: Just realised the times out on the top dashcam.
Edited by untakenname on Sunday 21st April 19:27
Graveworm said:
This has to be trolling.
Needing to be let out is a worry. You may want to look at what the Highway code actually says about changing lanes.
It relates to the other comments about people's unobservant driving. You know how if you're coming along in lane 2, overtaking a few trucks in lane 1, and amongst them is a car that's either indicating to pull out, or clearly closing on the truck in front at a rate that will make it necessary? Well, when you see that, being a courteous driver, you'll pull out to lane 3 to give them space for their maneuver, and to give you space if they do something silly.Needing to be let out is a worry. You may want to look at what the Highway code actually says about changing lanes.
A lot of people don't do that, and it buggers things up for people trying to drive "properly" and keep to lane 1 unless overtaking, because they can't get back out thanks to the persistent stream of dozy b
ds in lane 2.untakenname said:
Yesterday was an eye opener when it came to driving standards, I'm used to driving on the M25 with commuters which means tailgating and aggressive driving but on the whole the traffic flows quite freely.
Ended up driving to Luton airport due to railway engineering works and came across so many imbeciles who seemingly venture onto the motorway for once a year and would far prefer the usual 9-5'ers.
Despite being in a loud car and intimidating car I was repeatedly cut up by people not looking before changing lanes and having to scrub off speed but the icing on the cake was this throbber who in a 50mph zone was driving along the middle of the lines at 45mph, I passed him still in lane which perhaps counts as an undertake which woke him up where he then became rather irate gesticulating and mouthing off at me.
Noticed he had a dashcam and could be a dcw so saved the evidence on mine just incase
Edit: Just realised the times out on the top dashcam.
The driver of this Mazda should hand his licence in immediately and before he is charged with driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving. What an utter plant. Ended up driving to Luton airport due to railway engineering works and came across so many imbeciles who seemingly venture onto the motorway for once a year and would far prefer the usual 9-5'ers.
Despite being in a loud car and intimidating car I was repeatedly cut up by people not looking before changing lanes and having to scrub off speed but the icing on the cake was this throbber who in a 50mph zone was driving along the middle of the lines at 45mph, I passed him still in lane which perhaps counts as an undertake which woke him up where he then became rather irate gesticulating and mouthing off at me.
Noticed he had a dashcam and could be a dcw so saved the evidence on mine just incase
Edit: Just realised the times out on the top dashcam.
Edited by untakenname on Sunday 21st April 19:27
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