Men and overtaking
Discussion
Blakewater said:
LunarOne said:
RobM77 said:
It's a limit, not a target. There are loads of reasons why someone might choose to go slowly; literally too many to even start listing. This is why overtaking is allowed.- despite being well below the speed limit for the majority of the time and just touching it at other times. It appears that the majority of drivers have absolutely no idea what is meant by National Speed Limit, nor when it applies. They don't know what those white roundels with the diagonal black line signify, and they have no idea that it's different for different kinds of vehicles. That probably explains 95% of the drive everywhere at 40 brigade.
This is a common tactic for pheasants, deer and other suicidal wildlife.
Speed addicted said:
Blakewater said:
LunarOne said:
RobM77 said:
It's a limit, not a target. There are loads of reasons why someone might choose to go slowly; literally too many to even start listing. This is why overtaking is allowed.- despite being well below the speed limit for the majority of the time and just touching it at other times. It appears that the majority of drivers have absolutely no idea what is meant by National Speed Limit, nor when it applies. They don't know what those white roundels with the diagonal black line signify, and they have no idea that it's different for different kinds of vehicles. That probably explains 95% of the drive everywhere at 40 brigade.
This is a common tactic for pheasants, deer and other suicidal wildlife.
Blakewater said:
I've stopped for a pheasant but I have bounced a bird off my windscreen when exiting a wildfowl sanctuary of all places.
I was just highlighting that a video of you hitting something isn't the best way to make a point about speed, though mishaps like this can't always be avoided.
It is worth being aware of where there might be something large enough to kill you, such as deer. That's why areas with wild ponies such as Exmoor tend to have 40mph limits on their country roads.
For the easily triggered, I have had advanced driving tuition with a driver trainer not far from this forum and frequently overtake multiple vehicles at a time on single carriageway roads. I can't abide the current culture of speed limits being reduced everywhere, but it is important to be as discreet as possible with faster driving to try and avoid outraging people.
I have overtaken two motor vehicles at once a couple of times, on a bicycle, not counting filtering up queues!I was just highlighting that a video of you hitting something isn't the best way to make a point about speed, though mishaps like this can't always be avoided.
It is worth being aware of where there might be something large enough to kill you, such as deer. That's why areas with wild ponies such as Exmoor tend to have 40mph limits on their country roads.
For the easily triggered, I have had advanced driving tuition with a driver trainer not far from this forum and frequently overtake multiple vehicles at a time on single carriageway roads. I can't abide the current culture of speed limits being reduced everywhere, but it is important to be as discreet as possible with faster driving to try and avoid outraging people.
In the last instance, it was a car sat behind a tractor on an NSL B road. They were following too closely to see past, I saw a clear run, so blasted past them both! The car then followed me through, as I had anticipated, and was on his way past me soon enough.
Solocle said:
New tyres being worn in, a nauseous/nervous passenger, a warning light coming on...
I can't remember having a single set of new tyres than didn't offer pretty much full grip fro the moment I left the tyre fitters. Do you get special Vaseline soaked tyres?If you feel compelled to drive slowly do you pull over to let any queues pass? After all if you aren't in a rush then regular stops should be ok?
Motorbike tyres are slippery when new, and require wearing in before they grip properly. I thought car tyres didn’t have this problem, but this author disagrees:
Mark Hinchliffe said:
tyre manufacturers use chemicals in the curing process to make the rubber flow better and reduce defects in the surface and tread pattern. This results in slick or glossy surfaces, which applies to both motorcycle and car tyres
It's a significant problem for new bike tyres but is it an issue for cars?Salted_Peanut said:
Motorbike tyres are slippery when new, and require wearing in before they grip properly. I thought car tyres didn’t have this problem, but this author disagrees:
Yep new tyres always need a few miles on them for me before they give their full grip. Basically untill the releasing agent has goneMark Hinchliffe said:
tyre manufacturers use chemicals in the curing process to make the rubber flow better and reduce defects in the surface and tread pattern. This results in slick or glossy surfaces, which applies to both motorcycle and car tyres
It's a significant problem for new bike tyres but is it an issue for cars?NewUsername said:
Salted_Peanut said:
Motorbike tyres are slippery when new, and require wearing in before they grip properly. I thought car tyres didn’t have this problem, but this author disagrees:
Yep new tyres always need a few miles on them for me before they give their full grip. Basically untill the releasing agent has goneMark Hinchliffe said:
tyre manufacturers use chemicals in the curing process to make the rubber flow better and reduce defects in the surface and tread pattern. This results in slick or glossy surfaces, which applies to both motorcycle and car tyres
It's a significant problem for new bike tyres but is it an issue for cars?It’s this smooth surface that’s more slippery than used tyres, but it’s no where near as bad as they used to be.
LunarOne said:
Which is exactly what happened. I'm not sure how Blakewater would have avoided it! There's no evidence that driving slower would have prevented the collision, as the pheasant could have just run out at any time!
Maybe not as it was something small running quickly out of the shadow of a tree. But to play devil's advocate, what if something had been coming out of that entranceway on the left? What if something more than just a pheasant had run out? Perhaps a dear, jogger or cyclist coming from the shady spot under the tree? Blakewater said:
LunarOne said:
Which is exactly what happened. I'm not sure how Blakewater would have avoided it! There's no evidence that driving slower would have prevented the collision, as the pheasant could have just run out at any time!
Maybe not as it was something small running quickly out of the shadow of a tree. But to play devil's advocate, what if something had been coming out of that entranceway on the left? What if something more than just a pheasant had run out? Perhaps a dear, jogger or cyclist coming from the shady spot under the tree? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUDpjeUzPBw
Edited by LunarOne on Friday 10th July 20:09
LunarOne said:
I've counted frames by pausing and using the < and > keys to move one frame at a time on Youtube. The original video was possibly 60fps and much clearer but I'm not able to access it quickly. But anyway, there are 25 frames between the bird becoming visible and impact. I'd imagine that a dear, or perhaps a deer, a jogger or a cyclist would hopefully be visible much sooner than 0.5 to 1 second before impact due to their size and I'd be able to take avoiding action. That said, there are certain collisions which cannot be avoided no matter how slowly you go. This one springs to mind. I hope they bought a lottery ticket right after buying new underwear!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUDpjeUzPBw
That is definitely a case of 'New pants, please'!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUDpjeUzPBw
Edited by LunarOne on Friday 10th July 20:09
LunarOne said:
I've counted frames by pausing and using the < and > keys to move one frame at a time on Youtube. The original video was possibly 60fps and much clearer but I'm not able to access it quickly. But anyway, there are 25 frames between the bird becoming visible and impact. I'd imagine that a dear, or perhaps a deer, a jogger or a cyclist would hopefully be visible much sooner than 0.5 to 1 second before impact due to their size and I'd be able to take avoiding action. That said, there are certain collisions which cannot be avoided no matter how slowly you go. This one springs to mind. I hope they bought a lottery ticket right after buying new underwear!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUDpjeUzPBw
Since this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93RwJTg8R_w ), I make progress one building compliance document at a time. Driving the 30km into Manila progresses slowly and takes about four days on average now, as government release of permit papers are not too swift. And, as nonsexygeeser states (quite rightly), one can never be too careful...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUDpjeUzPBw
Edited by LunarOne on Friday 10th July 20:09
Johnnytheboy said:
I'm more intrigued by their motives in this case...
My motives? I was interested to hear people's opinions and comments on the subject, having had several quite odd / unhappy reactions to my overtaking men. And - it is nice to see Vonhosen is still around. He and Derek Smith talk lots and lots of sense.
Salted_Peanut said:
James-m5qjf said:
Are your posts some sort of wind up, or are you just bonkers?
What was "bonkers" about the post you quoted by Dizeee? I ride with a few IAM bikers, and whilst this type of attitude isn’t mandatory, it’s fairly common. Don’t get me wrong, the concepts and training work extremely well, and no doubt improves rider safety, it’s just a fair proportion of these people have an overinflated ego and opinion of their riding ability - based on my experience at least.
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