First rwd car need tips

First rwd car need tips

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Sheepy616

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2 posts

6 months

Friday 12th June
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Hello, I'm going from a awd mk7 golf r to a m235i bmw I'm 23 so unexperienced driver any tips on how not to end up in a hedge😂

Dave Hedgehog

12,951 posts

164 months

Friday 12th June
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dont turn the ESP off

book a skid pan day

Dizeee

15,429 posts

166 months

Friday 12th June
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When going round a bend, steer/flick slightly in opposing direction then flick back quickly to the correct turning direction whilst simultaneously booting the throttle around 3.5k revs. When the back steps out, remove the cause and counter steer, catching the resulting motion with the wheel and balancing the movement on the throttle.


otolith

42,898 posts

164 months

Saturday 13th June
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Don’t turn the stability off
Don’t drive like a dick
You’ll be fine

underwhelmist

1,049 posts

94 months

Saturday 13th June
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Dizeee said:
When going round a bend, steer/flick slightly in opposing direction then flick back quickly to the correct turning direction whilst simultaneously booting the throttle around 3.5k revs. When the back steps out, remove the cause and counter steer, catching the resulting motion with the wheel and balancing the movement on the throttle.
Just let us know in advance where you’ll be practicing smile

Wills2

17,495 posts

135 months

Saturday 13th June
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If in doubt flat out, or just drive like normal person and you'll find yourself not in hedge.




RSTurboPaul

3,386 posts

218 months

Saturday 13th June
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Something made this century will have enough electronics to stop you killing yourself unless you're being an absolute dick - I moved from FWD to RWD with zero driving aids, which has been a somewhat fearful experience at times!

Skidpan session helped a lot, and at some point (when we're finally allowed to do so...) I'll be doing some airfield track time to get a handle on what happens at higher speeds.

66mpg

514 posts

67 months

Saturday 13th June
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The only vehicle I have ever spun on the road is a Fiesta. I spent my first fifteen years after passing my test in rear wheel drives: Triumph Herald, Ford Transits (various), Land-Rover Series III, VW LT35D. I only switched to front wheel drive when I bought an Alfasud. You’ll be fine, just take it steady until you get used to feeling what the car is doing.

Salted_Peanut

427 posts

14 months

Saturday 13th June
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Isn't there a Reg_Local video that could help the OP?

Reg Local

2,540 posts

168 months

Saturday 13th June
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Salted_Peanut said:
Isn't there a Reg_Local video that could help the OP?
Nothing specific to rear wheel drive, no, but I’ll put RWD/FWD/AWD on the list!

In the meantime, these should help:

Cornering:

https://youtu.be/nJgll4p9QJc

Steering:

https://youtu.be/5M13T2rhYf8

Cornering revisited:

https://youtu.be/L13E7ou-BhY

And Cornering Balance:

https://youtu.be/NGJLNKQxZ98

Sheepy616

Original Poster:

2 posts

6 months

Saturday 13th June
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Thanks gonna book a skid pan day when possible coronavirus and stuff😔 and have a little practice in a car park

spikeyhead

11,968 posts

157 months

Saturday 13th June
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Sheepy616 said:
Thanks gonna book a skid pan day when possible coronavirus and stuff?? and have a little practice in a car park
Practice in a car park doesn't help, and probably makes it worse. There's a huge difference between deliberately poking the back end out at fast car park speeds and it stepping out half way round a bend at NSL speeds due to a change of tarmac.

Salted_Peanut

427 posts

14 months

Saturday 13th June
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I agree with spikeyhead. You're much better off investing in a day with Reg (or a High Performance Course coach).

RSTurboPaul

3,386 posts

218 months

Saturday 13th June
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For me, there are two aspects, as already mentioned - on-road risk minimisation (Reg / HPC) and on-/over-limit handling (track time / skidpan work).

The first will remove the risk of needing the second, but the second is important for knowing what to do when things do go pear-shaped, through your own error or through the actions of another party.

Salted_Peanut

427 posts

14 months

Saturday 13th June
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I used to agree with both aspects (on-road and limit handling) but the fascinating thing is that limit handling skills increase your chance of crashing. Bizarre - and counter intuitive - but true.

There are ample studies, and conclusive research, showing that improved vehicle handling skills significantly increase your odds of having a crash. It turns out that when you increase a driver's handling skills, their confidence increases beyond their skill level. There's been all manner of attempts (often in Scandinavia) to find a way to increase skid control skills without causing overconfidence. Nothing's worked.

People who haven't learned limit handling generally drive well below the limit. Hence they have far fewer accidents than "more skilled" drivers.

brisel

661 posts

168 months

Saturday 13th June
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Don't turn the ESP off. If you see the light flashing, think about what made that happen.

When I first got a seriously fast car, I did the IAM course then the High Performance Course. There are plenty of limit handling courses available if you'd rather just explore the use of opposite lock such as Car Limits or a day with Don Palmer.

The real art is having power yet not needing it nor actually having to use it.

Zarco

13,553 posts

169 months

Saturday 13th June
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Salted_Peanut said:
I used to agree with both aspects (on-road and limit handling) but the fascinating thing is that limit handling skills increase your chance of crashing. Bizarre - and counter intuitive - but true.

There are ample studies, and conclusive research, showing that improved vehicle handling skills significantly increase your odds of having a crash. It turns out that when you increase a driver's handling skills, their confidence increases beyond their skill level. There's been all manner of attempts (often in Scandinavia) to find a way to increase skid control skills without causing overconfidence. Nothing's worked.

People who haven't learned limit handling generally drive well below the limit. Hence they have far fewer accidents than "more skilled" drivers.
Is it not likely that part of that is because people that want to learn limit handling like driving fast and taking risks?

hairy vx220

230 posts

104 months

Saturday 13th June
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otolith said:
Don’t turn the stability off
Don’t drive like a dick
You’ll be fine
this^^

It's no different driving sensibly, just build up your experience.

7mike

2,723 posts

153 months

Saturday 13th June
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Zarco said:
Is it not likely that part of that is because people that want to learn limit handling like driving fast and taking risks?
As a skydiver, we practice reserve drills constantly. They are incredibly simple but if the crap hit's the fan then they need to be so intuitive that they can be followed instantly regardless of pressure/stress/panic.

I doubt half a day on a skid pan or limit handling course would ensure the necessary skills are ingrained if something were to go wrong six months later. Given that virtually every driver has an over inflated opinion of their own ability anyway then a belief in their new found skills can far outweigh their ability to put them into practice intuitively.

Having said all that, I'd never discourage anyone from doing skid pan/ limit handling stuff it's great fun, just go into it with that knowledge in the back of the mind.

Salted_Peanut

427 posts

14 months

Saturday 13th June
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