RE: Rimac Nevera unveiled as 258mph sensation

[Esceptico]

otolith said:

And yet - you still bought it.

That point where you can’t legally (or even illegally but you’ll only get a FPN) use all the performance - hot hatches exceeded that decades ago, let alone superbikes.

At £13k new it was hardly a big expense. Yes I could have bought a lower powered bike for £6k. However, although I don’t use the straight line performance of the Tuono I do use the handling. That is the difference. However great the Rimac is in a straight line it won’t handle as well as a base Elise on a typical B road. Too heavy, too wide, too much tyre and too much power.

[blasos]

GingerMunky said:

jbforce10 said:

It seems pretty good and would be 2nd on my EV wish-list after an Evija... if I had the means to warrant such a list.

Yeah me too, Evija looks so much better.

Evija isn't a patch on the Pininfarina. Massively out torqued by both too.

[Kawasicki]

Esceptico said:

otolith said:

And yet - you still bought it.

That point where you can’t legally (or even illegally but you’ll only get a FPN) use all the performance - hot hatches exceeded that decades ago, let alone superbikes.

At £13k new it was hardly a big expense. Yes I could have bought a lower powered bike for £6k. However, although I don’t use the straight line performance of the Tuono I do use the handling. That is the difference. However great the Rimac is in a straight line it won’t handle as well as a base Elise on a typical B road. Too heavy, too wide, too much tyre and too much power.

Your litre plus monster muscle naked will never handle as well as an RS125 on b-roads. But you still bought it.

[anonymous-user]

ChocolateFrog said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Kawasicki said:

S600BSB said:

Those numbers are astonishing! Just out or interest, how does that compare to a F1 car?

I think a modern F1 car takes over 10 seconds to get to 300 km/h, so the Rimac accelerates harder.

at peak power around the end of the 80s F1s could run sub 8 qtr miles, and i believe on EV boost the current cars are also over 1000bhp so could potentially run mids 7s again

on cornering and braking the rimmac wouldnt see which way an F1 car went

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 1st June 14:10

I don't believe a current F1 is anywhere near 7's, let alone mid 7's.

I recall that the current turbo hybrid cars will get to 60mph in around 2.4 - 2.6 seconds. They're really not designed to get off the line quickly (when you take into account what's possible if you want to leave the start line quickly), but from 3rd gear onwards pile on the speed effectively due to their power to weight ratio. Given how electric motors can provide a much more linear torque delivery than ICE, I'm surprised they're not quicker in terms of short numbers, but much of that has to do with suspension geometry and they're simply not setup to dig around for traction from standstill.

The Rimac is an outstanding achievement, but even as someone into drag racing, I find it baffling why all the players in the EV hypercar pond, are pushing horsepower and acceleration figures rather than trying to trim weight off the cars and make them engaging to drive? It's unfair to say they're one trick pony's, but when you've had a quick straight line blast, their dynamic ability overall surely are handicapped because they weigh nearly as much as an SUV, and we're forever hearing that SUV's are overweight.

At the polar opposite end of the scale, when MINI announced the Cooper SE would have a pint size battery, there were complaints about the range being hopeless (145 miles on a very good day), but because the decision was taken to not sacrifice the driving characteristics of the original car in favour of making it more powerful, it probably made it a more fun car as a result.

At the risk of being a party pooper, I wish OEM's would call it quits in their horsepower war and start developing cars that had more tricks up their sleeves than just straight line performance. In the real world, that level of performance has outgrown the roads it would be used on, so for all that power it would probably come with a healthy dollop of frustration of never having anywhere to exploit it on the road.

The net effect might be it switches more people onto drag racing, as it'll be the only way of really putting the hammer down and making the most of the performance, but any Rimac owners would need to choose their victims carefully at a RWYB.

[Kawasicki]

Comments that it is fast in a straight line and must therefore be a one trick pony. Maybe they should have severely restricted the performance to avoid that slur?

[aarondbs]

whp1983 said:

Max_Torque said:

Awaits the inevitable "one trick pony" comments!


BTW, it's worth noting, that a 340 mile range of 120 kWh of battery, is, in EV terms pretty terrible, but is actually equivalent to a Petrol car doing 122mpg!

So, we have a car that is the quickest production road car ever (yet) built, but it will do 122 mpg when driven normally. This is why EVs are the future and have now moved the goal posts so far that ICE's are no longer even playing the same game, let alone in the same league.......

All rather depends on what game you want to be playing in.... it is mighty impressive....as is a microwave, a fridge and many other things. They have all the depth of a teaspoon though. I want the sounds smells and feel of ICE end of.
A mighty achievement though and it does seem they are the future for mass dull transport.

Agree wholeheartedly. On the front page are two £ multi million cars. One with a Ferrari V12 with much less power than this, and one is this. Which did I read about first.

I'm not a ludite by any means but I'm not turned on by these, I've had two plug in hybrids, one of which (a T8 V90) was really good but in spite of electricity not because (the other, an X5 was awful). I like technology but I like passion and artisinal skills and the suck and bang of a car fueled by fuel.

I've since bought a V8 being one of two engine types I had yet to sample. Its muted and refined but the noise, the rumble is divine. Its only a 645ci but I'd jump in that before any Tesla.

[Kawasicki]

I love an amazing V10, but I drive an in-line 4.

If both engine experiences cost the same, then I‘d be driving a V10… but they don’t, so I’m not.

This is the reason 99.9% people will forget about ICE and make the move to EV. Pure, boring, economics.

[anonymous-user]

Kawasicki said:

Comments that it is fast in a straight line and must therefore be a one trick pony. Maybe they should have severely restricted the performance to avoid that slur?

I didn't mean it as a slur, but when this crop of EV hypercars weigh between 1900 - 2100kg, it's probably difficult for them to offer the handling prowess you expect when paying £2m for a hypercar.

Please believe me when I say I know exactly how it feels to have a car you built with your own hands, get called a one trick pony
(and they'd be right, it's a piece of st I assembled in a shed, such is my lack of automotive engineering ability).

The rate of development and progress made, by all the OEM's, especially low volume makers like Rimac is staggering, but IMO the push for more and more horsepower (and subsequently, more weight), is this how all high performance road cars are going to be going forward?

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

It'd be interesting to know how fast it is around various tracks compared to something like a Senna, or even that SF90....

This most certainly offers insane straight line performance, but I wonder if it's as competent (or as enjoyable?) around corners and under repeated heavy braking.

[Esceptico]

Kawasicki said:

Your litre plus monster muscle naked will never handle as well as an RS125 on b-roads. But you still bought it.

I used to own an RS250. Your comment is nonsense. On track you might be able to carry a bit more corner speed on an RS125 or RS250 but on the road, slow in, fast out rules and the Tuono is better. The semi active suspension also helps with crap surfaces.

[Kawasicki]

Esceptico said:

I used to own an RS250. Your comment is nonsense. On track you might be able to carry a bit more corner speed on an RS125 or RS250 but on the road, slow in, fast out rules and the Tuono is better. The semi active suspension also helps with crap surfaces.

I suspect slow in and fast out will be the best method for the Rimac too. So maybe it‘ll be a better road car as a result?

[Murph7355]

blue al said:

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How many 2-3 car families run all electric? ...

Daft argument right now. Will be at or near zero.

Come back in a decade and I bet the needle has moved considerably. Come back in 20yrs and it will be the majority.

How many 2-3 car families were there in 1908 versus 2-3 horse families? Its exactly the same type of argument

CarCrazyDad said:

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I guess it's interesting , surely will be fast but doesn't appeal to me , EVs make sense in more sensible cars, in "supercars" I want a big v10/v12

How many European tracks (And UK circuits) offer this super rapid 19 minute charge?

Another daft argument. It's not as if facilities don't change - when I first started doing track days you were lucky to get decent toilet facilities, let alone nice garages, food, drink etc.

I reckon it will be a very short space of time before we start seeing rapid charging infrastructure at tracks.

And on noise (the biggest thing lacking with EVs), track days are relevant. The amount of tracks you can use a good sounding V10/V12 (/V8/I4/etc) unfettered must now be close to zero due to NIMBYism....so EVs will actually be at an advantage

[Esceptico]

Kawasicki said:

I suspect slow in and fast out will be the best method for the Rimac too. So maybe it‘ll be a better road car as a result?

Apart from arguing for arguments sake what are you trying to say?

You’ve said recently that you aren’t the best rider. Don’t take my word for it. Why not ask others in BB - perhaps Steve Bass - whether the Tuono is heavy and rubbish on the road and how much better the RS125 would be?

[otolith]

Esceptico said:

otolith said:

And yet - you still bought it.

That point where you can’t legally (or even illegally but you’ll only get a FPN) use all the performance - hot hatches exceeded that decades ago, let alone superbikes.

At £13k new it was hardly a big expense. Yes I could have bought a lower powered bike for £6k. However, although I don’t use the straight line performance of the Tuono I do use the handling. That is the difference. However great the Rimac is in a straight line it won’t handle as well as a base Elise on a typical B road. Too heavy, too wide, too much tyre and too much power.

That's not the point, though. A car having more performance than you can reasonably use all of on the road while also being too wide and heavy for B-roads is not a new thing.



AMG/M/RS cars have exactly the same issue at a lower level, and people still buy them.

[JD]

Why is this in the Advanced driving forum?

[jbforce10]

blasos said:

GingerMunky said:

jbforce10 said:

It seems pretty good and would be 2nd on my EV wish-list after an Evija... if I had the means to warrant such a list.

Yeah me too, Evija looks so much better.

Evija isn't a patch on the Pininfarina. Massively out torqued by both too.

I like the Battista too (if the nose section matches the main body colour, it looks a bit silly otherwise)... but it's 4850 lbs vs the Evija's 3700 lbs (2200 kg vs 1680 kg). I'm not a betting man, but I'd expect the Lotus to be quicker around most tracks.

[donkmeister]

Saw this on YouTube with the Brummy guy showing just how epicly fast it is. Mrs D pre-approved one until we saw the £2M price tag

Besides the car, I love the breed of car innovators coming up over the last decade or two. People like Rimac, Koenigsegg, even J Shelby. People who are passionate about what they do, have the business nous to get the investment they need, but are not above talking in length to other enthusiasts about why they've taken a particular engineering choice, or developed some new tech. To me, it's all the best bits of "bloke in a shed building stuff" combined with the bleeding edge tech of the multi-billion pound big boys.

[Vickers_VC10]

pycraft said:

998420 said:

Nevera...Spanish for fridge.. or does he think that = cool ?

I thought the name came from a conversation like:

"So when do you think you'll be able to afford the new Rimac?"
"Never, eh"

Said on the Jonny Smith it's a Croatian name for a Mediterranean storm that comes out of nowhere.

[Markep1978]

I was wondering, due to the insane BHP and Torque figures we are seeing on these new EV hypercars.

Would a car with 6 wheels benefit in anyway to help increase 0 - X times?

I presume with the increase in traction seen from 6 wheels, you need more torque, which doesn't seem to be an issue on these EV cars?

[pagc1]

Top of my theoretical list.

Great name for a great machine.