RE: Rimac Nevera unveiled as 258mph sensation

RE: Rimac Nevera unveiled as 258mph sensation

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anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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I just love that the miserable speed kills enviro Marxists pushed us down this route expecting us all to dribble round in prius' and what we actually get is giant tyre slaying, 2000bhp rocket ships. Ha!

DodgyGeezer

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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fblm said:
I just love that the miserable speed kills enviro Marxists pushed us down this route expecting us all to dribble round in prius' and what we actually get is giant tyre slaying, 2000bhp rocket ships. Ha!
to be fair that is quite funny!!

Sandpit Steve

9,885 posts

73 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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fblm said:
I just love that the miserable speed kills enviro Marxists pushed us down this route expecting us all to dribble round in prius' and what we actually get is giant tyre slaying, 2000bhp rocket ships. Ha!
How did they think technology works, that the mass market gets for the first design - or that a small bunch of early adopters would pay for the development of something bonkers, the technology of which eventually trickles down to more affordable options?

Because it’s always been the second option, every single time!

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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blue al said:
. I believe you are being deliberately disingenuous, but to move the debate along in a more meaningful manner, It’s all about power density as others have already alluded to, my apologies if my remarks have offended, but the overall point is still valid. Electrical propulsion moves to pollution out of sight, This becomes far harder to see if your head is buried in the sand.
Few small points:

1) it's ENERGY density that is (currently but not theoretically) limited with batteries not power density

2) Electric propulsion is agnostic to its energy source. 'lecy is lecy. So if you power a car from a coal fired power station, then yes , you are moving the polution out of sight. But, this is rather invalid as increasingly our grid is renewably powered, so no not emissions at point of generation. Even if this wasn't the case, "Moving" the pollution is worthwhile in itself, as it is our high population density in towns and cities that makes air quality in these places so important.

3) Even in your worst case, a coal fired powerstation and EV are overall significantly less poluting than an ICE, because physically surface area to volume ratio scales with increasing size, so the thermal efficiency of the power station is much better than for a small ICE. And BEV's have lower drag / losses and are intrinsically bi-directional, so can recapture energy stored in their KE. if we include the energy consumed and pollution created simply in the refinement of fossil fuels, then it's even more heavily weighted in favour of the BEV.

And here is the problem.

The "anti EV's" are on a hiding to nothing, simply because the points they make are simpy not true.

You can moan, shout, complain, blame politicians, "Greens" or "liberals" hell, do anything you want, and it'll makes no difference. You suggest i have my head in the sand, but i actually earn a living advising car companies on what to make, and guess what, you'll probably have noticed, i've been advising they move to EVs as fast as possible, and yup, you are now seeing the fruits of their labours over the last 5 years.. And trust me, it's just starting. The ICE is dead. Long dead. It's a dinosaur. The electric motor and battery are, despite the b*ll spouted by anti's, simply much better for a passenger car than an old fashioned, noise, horrendously in-efficient Internal combustion engine. These are fundamental physical facts.


Oh, and it gets worse btw. Today, a typically mass produced battery for an electric car has just about 10% of the theoretical physical maximum energy (not power....) density. That leaves a full decade of magnitude of improvement that is fundamentally possible within the laws of physics. So at some point, no, probably not tomorrow, and probably not in the next 5 years, but at some point, the only real objective negative comparitor for an BEV vs ICE is not just going to dissapear, but be smashed away completely.

The age of the ICE is over for passcar.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Flat-Patch said:
I'll only start gripping the edge of my seat, when an EV shines on the twisty stuff. As for now my sofa arms are thinning, based on a road-legal Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, lapping Germans finest in 6:43:62.
er, the VW IDR has been round your beloved ring in 6:05............




chelme

1,353 posts

169 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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jbforce10 said:
florian said:
I know the performance stats of the Rimac are very, very impressive.

But imagine you open your garage on a Sunday morning to go for a drive. Would you pick the Rimac, the Gordon Murray T.50 or a Ferrari 275 GTB ...?

I really cannot fathom what the appeal of those electric hypercard is. Maybe someone here has driven one and can share their view?
Oh, the Ferrari every time.
The T.50 looks too much like a Mk3 MR2 at the front and silly at the back with the fan.
And the Rimac did not even get a mention, and rightly so!! beer

pycraft

764 posts

183 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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998420 said:
Nevera...Spanish for fridge.. or does he think that = cool ?
I thought the name came from a conversation like:

"So when do you think you'll be able to afford the new Rimac?"
"Never, eh"



998420

900 posts

150 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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pycraft said:
I thought the name came from a conversation like:

"So when do you think you'll be able to afford the new Rimac?"
"Never, eh"
Could be !

Especially after the GM, SWB GTO, Valkyrie drain my fantasy wallet before it

DodgyGeezer

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Max_Torque said:
Flat-Patch said:
I'll only start gripping the edge of my seat, when an EV shines on the twisty stuff. As for now my sofa arms are thinning, based on a road-legal Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, lapping Germans finest in 6:43:62.
er, the VW IDR has been round your beloved ring in 6:05............
true - what about the possibility of multiple laps though (again, something that will change)

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Max_Torque said:
Flat-Patch said:
I'll only start gripping the edge of my seat, when an EV shines on the twisty stuff. As for now my sofa arms are thinning, based on a road-legal Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, lapping Germans finest in 6:43:62.
er, the VW IDR has been round your beloved ring in 6:05............
That's not remotely street-legal. The equally not-street-legal Porsche 919 did it in 5:19

oedipus

363 posts

65 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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The other advantage of electric over fuel , including synthetic, is that it doesn’t need yet more transport to get it where it needs to be.

ChocolateFrog

24,852 posts

172 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Kawasicki said:
S600BSB said:
Those numbers are astonishing! Just out or interest, how does that compare to a F1 car?
I think a modern F1 car takes over 10 seconds to get to 300 km/h, so the Rimac accelerates harder.
at peak power around the end of the 80s F1s could run sub 8 qtr miles, and i believe on EV boost the current cars are also over 1000bhp so could potentially run mids 7s again

on cornering and braking the rimmac wouldnt see which way an F1 car went

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 1st June 14:10
I don't believe a current F1 is anywhere near 7's, let alone mid 7's.

ChocolateFrog

24,852 posts

172 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Max_Torque said:
blue al said:
. I believe you are being deliberately disingenuous, but to move the debate along in a more meaningful manner, It’s all about power density as others have already alluded to, my apologies if my remarks have offended, but the overall point is still valid. Electrical propulsion moves to pollution out of sight, This becomes far harder to see if your head is buried in the sand.
Few small points:

1) it's ENERGY density that is (currently but not theoretically) limited with batteries not power density

2) Electric propulsion is agnostic to its energy source. 'lecy is lecy. So if you power a car from a coal fired power station, then yes , you are moving the polution out of sight. But, this is rather invalid as increasingly our grid is renewably powered, so no not emissions at point of generation. Even if this wasn't the case, "Moving" the pollution is worthwhile in itself, as it is our high population density in towns and cities that makes air quality in these places so important.

3) Even in your worst case, a coal fired powerstation and EV are overall significantly less poluting than an ICE, because physically surface area to volume ratio scales with increasing size, so the thermal efficiency of the power station is much better than for a small ICE. And BEV's have lower drag / losses and are intrinsically bi-directional, so can recapture energy stored in their KE. if we include the energy consumed and pollution created simply in the refinement of fossil fuels, then it's even more heavily weighted in favour of the BEV.

And here is the problem.

The "anti EV's" are on a hiding to nothing, simply because the points they make are simpy not true.

You can moan, shout, complain, blame politicians, "Greens" or "liberals" hell, do anything you want, and it'll makes no difference. You suggest i have my head in the sand, but i actually earn a living advising car companies on what to make, and guess what, you'll probably have noticed, i've been advising they move to EVs as fast as possible, and yup, you are now seeing the fruits of their labours over the last 5 years.. And trust me, it's just starting. The ICE is dead. Long dead. It's a dinosaur. The electric motor and battery are, despite the b*ll spouted by anti's, simply much better for a passenger car than an old fashioned, noise, horrendously in-efficient Internal combustion engine. These are fundamental physical facts.


Oh, and it gets worse btw. Today, a typically mass produced battery for an electric car has just about 10% of the theoretical physical maximum energy (not power....) density. That leaves a full decade of magnitude of improvement that is fundamentally possible within the laws of physics. So at some point, no, probably not tomorrow, and probably not in the next 5 years, but at some point, the only real objective negative comparitor for an BEV vs ICE is not just going to dissapear, but be smashed away completely.

The age of the ICE is over for passcar.
Not the only one.

Noise.

A BEV is never going to sound as good as a Rover V8 engined TVR.

Granted the majority probably don't care but that's one Top Trump BEVs will never win.

ChocolateFrog

24,852 posts

172 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Now if Rimac could shoehorn that drive train into a rusty Volvo 850 that would be grand.

APontus

1,935 posts

34 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Amazing kit. And this is just th beginning. Goodbye ICE!

Hopefully all the interesting ICE end up being worth 50p and I can pick up some fun

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Cost aside I really like it.

I've seen other videos of the owner of the company and he comes across as a genuine enthusiast to me.

Nico Rosberg also seemed pretty impressed with the car. Doesn't register on my list of favourite F1 drivers granted, but one cannot deny his driving ability.

Range - 340 miles with quick charging seems fine to me,

Looks? A little bland/generic. But the Lotus is not a looker from the rear. And the SF90 is fugly (when Ferrari start copying Chevrolet rear ends you know something is amiss). It would be nice if a maker could really break the mould from ICE derived designs...but I guess aero and packaging 2 people plus meeting regs may not give much scope for being really innovative.

Sound? Well yes, that will never be the same. It's one area that will always be a huge compromise for a petrolhead....but kids of today won't care and, indeed, will likely see things like a 275GTB in the same light I current view a Vauxhall 16hp - a curio only of any remote interest because of its ilk's part in getting us to the peak of ICE cars.

I just wish I had 2m to drop on a car smile

Currently thinking through having a serious look at Taycans. I love my ICE cars, and will inevitably keep one or two....but the future isn't ICE. And that doesn't have to be a terrible thing.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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ChocolateFrog said:
Not the only one.

Noise.

A BEV is never going to sound as good as a Rover V8 engined TVR.

Granted the majority probably don't care but that's one Top Trump BEVs will never win.
You’re right The majority won’t care, noise will actually be a negative for most car drivers.

Cars in the main are made for getting from A to B, even as a car ‘enthusiast’ the advantages of EV for getting to work and back or doing a longish journey far outweigh having a nice sounding engine (how many modern cars sound good anyway?)

ChocolateFrog

24,852 posts

172 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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chrispmartha said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Not the only one.

Noise.

A BEV is never going to sound as good as a Rover V8 engined TVR.

Granted the majority probably don't care but that's one Top Trump BEVs will never win.
You’re right The majority won’t care, noise will actually be a negative for most car drivers.

Cars in the main are made for getting from A to B, even as a car ‘enthusiast’ the advantages of EV for getting to work and back or doing a longish journey far outweigh having a nice sounding engine (how many modern cars sound good anyway?)
Very few.

But plenty have already been built and will be available to buy for atleast the rest of my lifetime so I'm not too upset.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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ChocolateFrog said:
Not the only one.

Noise.

A BEV is never going to sound as good as a Rover V8 engined TVR.

Granted the majority probably don't care but that's one Top Trump BEVs will never win.
Just hire this guy to sit in the passenger seat.



SitCet

104 posts

140 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Upside down i8 rear lights?