RE: Rimac Nevera unveiled as 258mph sensation

RE: Rimac Nevera unveiled as 258mph sensation

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GTRene

16,372 posts

223 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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serious fast times, it looks better then I thought it would, so not bad.

now I know that there are such fast (car) times, to be the fastest does not count that hard anymore (silly fast), so i can focus more on, what is fun and usable, gives a lot of pleasure to drive and makes great sounds and give lots of (fun) feedback and thumbs up.

blue al

922 posts

158 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Max_Torque said:
Few small points:

And here is the problem.

The "anti EV's" are on a hiding to nothing, simply because the points they make are simpy not true.

You can moan, shout, complain, blame politicians, "Greens" or "liberals" hell, do anything you want, and it'll makes no difference. You suggest i have my head in the sand, but i actually earn a living advising car companies on what to make,

The ICE is dead. Long dead. It's a dinosaur. The electric motor and battery are, despite the b*ll spouted by anti's, simply much better for a passenger car than an old fashioned, noise, horrendously in-efficient Internal combustion engine. These are fundamental physical facts.


Oh, and it gets worse btw. So at some point, no, probably not tomorrow, and probably not in the next 5 years, but at some point, the only real objective negative comparitor for an BEV vs ICE is not just going to dissapear, but be smashed away completely.

The age of the ICE is over.
Lol

Everyone else is telling lies because...

1) So you have a vested interest?

2) The fundamental physical facts don’t work for the majority of polluting vehicles... ie the bigger ones LGV etc
Container ships, the weight penalty is astronomical. Passenger cars are a dot in the ocean.

3) it’s actually not any good at the moment, but sometime in the future it will be alright ?

4) it is such a successful technology it needs government subsidies and my personal taxes diverted from the nhs to allow 80k plus cars to be more tax attractive to company directors ?

I hope you make a good living peddling this “dream” which is beyond the means of the average consumer.
How many 2-3 car families run all electric?





Edited by blue al on Tuesday 1st June 21:21

Nimerino

295 posts

112 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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So Carfection says it weighs 2150 kg. Just let that sink in.

Come on, mate. Would anyone here buy a 2.2 tonne hypercar to use the way a hyper car should be used? Are you going to crush autobahns in the thing? Really? When most of them are sold on with barely a weekend drive added to delivery mileage. Even people who intend to use them would use them as a weekend toy.

Based on that number alone (and there are lots to digest) I’d buy an Evija. But then again, I’m just adding to the chorus of people with opinions about cars they’ll literally never afford.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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fblm said:
I just love that the miserable speed kills enviro Marxists pushed us down this route expecting us all to dribble round in prius' and what we actually get is giant tyre slaying, 2000bhp rocket ships. Ha!
As it's due for release in 2022 it will be fitted with the ISA system in the UK and EU, so 2000bhp will be useless.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,946 posts

211 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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NMNeil said:
fblm said:
I just love that the miserable speed kills enviro Marxists pushed us down this route expecting us all to dribble round in prius' and what we actually get is giant tyre slaying, 2000bhp rocket ships. Ha!
As it's due for release in 2022 it will be fitted with the ISA system in the UK and EU, so 2000bhp will be useless.
This will mark the death of many high performance cars in the UK I think. It's a ridiculous thing to come to fruition.

Jon_S_Rally

3,385 posts

87 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Max_Torque said:
Awaits the inevitable "one trick pony" comments!


BTW, it's worth noting, that a 340 mile range of 120 kWh of battery, is, in EV terms pretty terrible, but is actually equivalent to a Petrol car doing 122mpg!

So, we have a car that is the quickest production road car ever (yet) built, but it will do 122 mpg when driven normally. This is why EVs are the future and have now moved the goal posts so far that ICE's are no longer even playing the same game, let alone in the same league.......
The problem is, you're missing out the point that cars are not objective purchases. As time passes, I suspect that ICE cars will no longer be a part of the game you're talking about. They will be there for people who want them for no other reason than they want them. Provided they don't get legislated off the road at least.

oedipus said:
The other advantage of electric over fuel , including synthetic, is that it doesn’t need yet more transport to get it where it needs to be.
That's not strictly true. There has to be infrastructure in place. If we are to put big charging stations all over the place (which I assume we will if we want mass take-up of EVs) then it would be interesting to know what work would be required to achieve that. A couple of charging points at a motorway services is one thing, but something capable of charging 30-odd cars all at lightning speed could be more complex?

The infrastructure remains the big issue, that's for sure. It's just not even close to suitable at the moment. I'm certainly not anti-EV, but there's a very long way to go. It's a shame it's so political really, as I suspect a more nuanced approach would probably be beneficial.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
This will mark the death of many high performance cars in the UK I think. It's a ridiculous thing to come to fruition.
Why do you think it ridiculous?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,946 posts

211 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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NMNeil said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
This will mark the death of many high performance cars in the UK I think. It's a ridiculous thing to come to fruition.
Why do you think it ridiculous?
It isn't the device per se, but more the fact that our speed limits are based on cars which were far poorer in terms of safety, braking and cornering ability. Doing an emergency stop from 70mph in the pouring rain or snow in a 1970s Ford vs a 2020 McLaren on a summer's day will yield very different results. Yet both would be limited to the same speed.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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skint_driver said:
The Tesla is ~£180k so you could buy 10 with change for £2m. ~600 mile range too, so with the supercharger network you could probably manage a grand tour or two. What would be interesting about that particular group is just how close Tesla can get to the hypercars. I suspect that the Nevera will beat it on build quality and the Evija may be more rewarding around a track, but the overall winner will be the T thanks to the targa roof and far greater range.
Sorry, have I missed the Tesla Roadster 2 actually exists? Nope. All of the figures for the Tesla are claims.

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
It isn't the device per se, but more the fact that our speed limits are based on cars which were far poorer in terms of safety, braking and cornering ability. Doing an emergency stop from 70mph in the pouring rain or snow in a 1970s Ford vs a 2020 McLaren on a summer's day will yield very different results. Yet both would be limited to the same speed.
The government should give us all a free McLaren so that we we may then enjoy appropriate speed limits.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,946 posts

211 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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thegreenhell said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
It isn't the device per se, but more the fact that our speed limits are based on cars which were far poorer in terms of safety, braking and cornering ability. Doing an emergency stop from 70mph in the pouring rain or snow in a 1970s Ford vs a 2020 McLaren on a summer's day will yield very different results. Yet both would be limited to the same speed.
The government should give us all a free McLaren so that we we may then enjoy appropriate speed limits.
Now you're getting it hehe

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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leakymanifold said:
Lots of numbers, very good numbers.

But why, if it has no engine, does it look like a mid-engined car? Is there a reason that, even without the restrictions of packaging an engine and gearbox, it should look like that? Generally curious as to why an electric supercar would optimally be styled in basically the same format as a petrol powered supercar.
The car has almost entirely independent powertrains at the front and rear, including the cooling system. The rear powertrain (if you like) puts out 2.0x the power of the front. It is therefore larger. So the same theory as a mid engined ICE car is at play here too. Most of the power is required at the rear wheels so it’s produced there. Pushing the occupants forwards has advantages too - vision being a major one. The layout just makes sense. I’m sorry but I think the line that EVs are less of a challenge to package is incorrect, and is now a common misconception. It’s hard as well, just different. I cannot believe what Rimac has squeezed into this car’s exterior size.

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

34 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Twoshoe said:
re33 said:
Sounds impressive. 0-60 in 1.85 seconds is not possible on currently available road tyres though so maybe that's on track tyres.
Eh? What is the fastest 0-60 time possible on road tyres then?

Agree with other poster re looks though - technological masterpiece it may be, but it looks dated and unoriginal imho.


Edited by Twoshoe on Tuesday 1st June 13:43
I would guess he means if you look at every other car which operates 4wd and big power (and big weight) you generally get to around 2.4 seconds on "road legal" tyres as a sort of minimum 0-60 time

I guess it's interesting , surely will be fast but doesn't appeal to me , EVs make sense in more sensible cars, in "supercars" I want a big v10/v12

How many European tracks (And UK circuits) offer this super rapid 19 minute charge?

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

34 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Jon_S_Rally said:
The infrastructure remains the big issue, that's for sure. It's just not even close to suitable at the moment. I'm certainly not anti-EV, but there's a very long way to go. It's a shame it's so political really, as I suspect a more nuanced approach would probably be beneficial.
Well to be honest no-one has been doing massive miles the last year and a half, with "local restrictions" and "guidelines for not travelling to other areas" - almost like they are testing a system where you can only go within 20 miles of your home!!!

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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NMNeil said:
As it's due for release in 2022 it will be fitted with the ISA system in the UK and EU, so 2000bhp will be useless.
Yeah, you will have to push a button if you want to speed - but who’s got the time for that?

Esceptico

7,334 posts

108 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Technically very impressive but struggling to see the relevance of all that power.

I currently have a superbike rather than a hypercar but theoretical performance is pretty stunning. Just over 10 seconds for a quarter mile and 170 ish top speed. I ride reasonably enthusiastically but don’t come close to scratching the performance potential. Not really possible on the road - or rather pointless - I’ve got some great roads to ride near me but safe corner speeds are limited by many factors. Yes I could use full acceleration out of corners but even with much less power than this Rimac it would be easy to hit 150 mph on anything other than a very short straight. Apart from the obvious dangers of doing so, that would put me in danger of incarceration/deportation. So I don’t.

However fast the Rimac is, I doubt it would be more fun on track than a dedicated track car costing a fraction. Personally - and I know this is just me - it would be less fun than a £5k track slag bike and also less fun than a £25k Caterham. Each to own though.


otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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Esceptico said:
Technically very impressive but struggling to see the relevance of all that power.

I currently have a superbike rather than a hypercar but theoretical performance is pretty stunning. Just over 10 seconds for a quarter mile and 170 ish top speed. I ride reasonably enthusiastically but don’t come close to scratching the performance potential. Not really possible on the road - or rather pointless - I’ve got some great roads to ride near me but safe corner speeds are limited by many factors. Yes I could use full acceleration out of corners but even with much less power than this Rimac it would be easy to hit 150 mph on anything other than a very short straight. Apart from the obvious dangers of doing so, that would put me in danger of incarceration/deportation. So I don’t.
And yet - you still bought it.

That point where you can’t legally (or even illegally but you’ll only get a FPN) use all the performance - hot hatches exceeded that decades ago, let alone superbikes.

Harry Flashman

19,283 posts

241 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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If it works as they say it does, this is great.

Personally, disappointed. I'd want it to look crazier. Alien battle cruiser meets bug-eyed psychopath. With lashings of extra-weird.

Not big Lotus Exige, frankly.

naturalaspiration

639 posts

82 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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998420 said:
Nevera...Spanish for fridge.. or does he think that = cool ?
It means a sudden, violent sea storm, often accompanied by ligtning; occurs mostly in summer, more often in the North Adriatic than the South. Cool only if your boat is secured.:-)


otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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naturalaspiration said:
It means a sudden, violent sea storm, often accompanied by ligtning; occurs mostly in summer, more often in the North Adriatic than the South. Cool only if your boat is secured.:-)
Do not drive your Nevera into floodwater?