Could you tell me the difference between these 2 signs?

[tight fart]

To me, the first is hoping to raise some revenue.


And this is to stop vehicles.

[Lost ranger]

One stops motor vehicles, one stops all vehicles.

[sixor8]

On the first one, I expect you'd also be OK on an electric cycle or electric scooter. Since they have no registration plates, you wouldn't receive a penalty anyway.

The lower one is not enforced with a camera so relies on people obeying the law.

[elanfan]

Ones a No Entry sign into a one way street, the other is beware of low flying motorcycles

[MikeGTi]

Is the top one at the end of Evel Knievel's road?

[wyson]

First one, prob a bus route.

[Cliftonite]

wyson said:

First one, prob a bus route.

Err . . . no!

[Cliftonite]

Signs 2 (Ò/T):

Having failed to maim or kill enough people by the idiocy of allowing cyclists to use pavements in many areas, the authorities are now allowing cyclists to ride against the traffic flow on narrow streets. Lunacy?

[whimsical ninja]

Isn't the second one just a one way street?

[Mr Squarekins]

Lost ranger said:

One stops motor vehicles, one stops all vehicles.

This.

Why not put bollards across on the first one though? I guess emergency vehicles still have access?

[tight fart]

Lost ranger said:

One stops motor vehicles, one stops all vehicles.

What vehicles would be classed as not a motor vehicle, just a vehicle?

[vonhosen]

tight fart said:

Lost ranger said:

One stops motor vehicles, one stops all vehicles.

What vehicles would be classed as not a motor vehicle, just a vehicle?

Horse & cart or bicycles.

[Getragdogleg]

According to my local Police the top one means nothing at all.

My parents Cul-de-sac has a pair with an "except for access" sign below. yet all the commuters who use the street for parking are quite entitled to do so. the sign means nothing and they are free to drive in, park and walk off.

Its been a bone of contention for years. the residents feel the sign prohibits motor vehicles "except for access" ie: living there or visiting someone living there.

The Police refuse to police it, saying its all ok and they cant do anything.

[Pica-Pica]

vonhosen said:

tight fart said:

Lost ranger said:

One stops motor vehicles, one stops all vehicles.

What vehicles would be classed as not a motor vehicle, just a vehicle?

Horse & cart or bicycles.

A pushed street cleaner’s barrow? (Can’t remember the last time I saw one of those).

How about Pedestrian conveyances, i.e., any human powered device by which a pedestrian may move other than by walking or by which a walking person may move another pedestrian (e.g., baby carriage, roller skates, skateboard and non-motorised scooters and wheelchairs);

Looks like a short-cut for delivery cyclists

[911hope]

tight fart said:

What vehicles would be classed as not a motor vehicle, just a vehicle?

Motor vehicles is a subset of vehicles.

Therefore vehicles is a superset motor vehicles.

Hope that is clear.

[kevsmev]

whimsical ninja said:

Isn't the second one just a one way street?

Does a "no entry" mean that it's a one way? I don't think so. A white arrow on a blue background is the sign for a one way. ??

[Pica-Pica]

kevsmev said:

whimsical ninja said:

Isn't the second one just a one way street?

Does a "no entry" mean that it's a one way? I don't think so. A white arrow on a blue background is the sign for a one way. ??

But you won’t see the ‘white arrow on a blue background’ from the other direction!

[whimsical ninja]

Yeah they're not identical but I would expect a no entry in that circumstance to be a one way most of the time

[DaiB]

If I was a cyclist, the second sign would warn me that I'm cycling against the flow of traffic.

The first one would tell me to expect anything as so many people don't understand what that sign means...

[Lost ranger]

But does the 'except cycles' notice override the ' No Entry' sign. If so then presumably motor cycles are OK. Does the sign just enforce the regulation as for a speed limit or does it constitute a regulation? If the regulation says No Entry then the cycles qualification is irrelevant. If it doesn't then the entire sign is meaningless.