V70 auto gearbox problem
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I have a 2002 v70 2.4 diesel with an auto box. The gearbox sometimes cann't decide which gear to be in, especially between 1st and 2nd gear. Most garages want to put a recon. box in, but I suspect that is not the problem, and I don't want to pay for a box that is worth more than the car! A discussion with a mechanic suggested it was a valve problem which is external to the gearbox. Has anybody come across this problem before and be able to offer me advice? The car has done over 200k and otherwise runs like a dream.
Thanks, John
Thanks, John
V70 auto boxes are made of Chocolate. The Asin-Warner boxes aren't up to the job and the sealed for life Volvo line is nonsense.
There are a couple of things it could be - but you might be looking at a new box.
You need to get the codes read, but aside from that it could be fluid breakdown (and therefore needing a flush / replacement).
Most like is the B4 Servo cover - this is a simple fix - just google it and there is a guide on how to DIY it.
There are a couple of things it could be - but you might be looking at a new box.
You need to get the codes read, but aside from that it could be fluid breakdown (and therefore needing a flush / replacement).
Most like is the B4 Servo cover - this is a simple fix - just google it and there is a guide on how to DIY it.
You've done incredibly well to get that mileage from it (assuming it is the original 'box).
It is almost certainly simply worn out and my honest advice is not to waste your money on trying to find a cheap fix unless the fault is very simple and obvious. Don't just replace the valve body either as they have a habit of working for 1000 miles then going pop again. Changing the fluid at this sort of mileage often makes them worse and can end with no drive at all.
Really, the only answer on these gearboxes if they start playing up over 100k is to rebuild/replace them.
It is almost certainly simply worn out and my honest advice is not to waste your money on trying to find a cheap fix unless the fault is very simple and obvious. Don't just replace the valve body either as they have a habit of working for 1000 miles then going pop again. Changing the fluid at this sort of mileage often makes them worse and can end with no drive at all.
Really, the only answer on these gearboxes if they start playing up over 100k is to rebuild/replace them.
Sorry, but going to have to disagree with you on that one, purely based on personal experience.
I bought out v70 '01 a couple of years ago on just shy of 100k and developed all the usual symptoms. Banging into gear, flare into 2nd, shunting etc. I did a full "gibbons method" flush and new servo cover and it came back right as rain. I do a flush every 50k now and at 219k we are still going strong (touch wood!)
I bought out v70 '01 a couple of years ago on just shy of 100k and developed all the usual symptoms. Banging into gear, flare into 2nd, shunting etc. I did a full "gibbons method" flush and new servo cover and it came back right as rain. I do a flush every 50k now and at 219k we are still going strong (touch wood!)
Finlandia said:
Out of interest, and for future needs, how do you do a full flush of the transmission oil? With a pump through the oilstick tube, or must it be completely taken off and emptied?
If you google "v70 gibbons method" there is way to do it by taking off the top hose to the cooler and running a fresh fluid through (about 16 litres) 2 litres at a time. Get's all the crud out of the box and not just what sits in the sump.Here you go - took 10 secs
http://www.volvoxc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121...
I did exactly that but only used 10 litres, that cleaned the fluid up no end. You can get it off Ebay for £10/litres, search for mobil 3309 (I think).
Mine is still not quite right though. It bangs when changing down from 2 to 1 when slowing to a stop. But, only does it when fully warmed up and sometimes not at all.
I'm living with it. Mines on 130k miles btw (V70 D5).
Mine is still not quite right though. It bangs when changing down from 2 to 1 when slowing to a stop. But, only does it when fully warmed up and sometimes not at all.
I'm living with it. Mines on 130k miles btw (V70 D5).
That is the exact same spec fluid that Volvo use - JWS 3309.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other...
There are pages and pages of threads about it on the volvo forums. It's definitely the right stuff.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other...
There are pages and pages of threads about it on the volvo forums. It's definitely the right stuff.
Interesting read. My Volvo V70 is 210,000 miles on the clock, and the gearbox is starting to act as described here. The local garage (not the Volvo dealer!) thinks it may last another year and then it is terminal.
Does anyone know what will happen when it fails completely? and how much is a recon box roughly anyway.
all input welcome as to what I might expect.
Thanks
Does anyone know what will happen when it fails completely? and how much is a recon box roughly anyway.
all input welcome as to what I might expect.
Thanks
A lex said:
At 210k miles I would also be tempted to drive it to destruction and then throw it away - although you might well see good results from a fluid change, particularly if its only just begun to act up.
A complete fluid change should cost you about 200gbp if you DIY - or 300-350 if using an indy garage. For the (relative) low outlay, it might be worth a shot?
Be careful. I've seen people do this on high mileage ones and then the car refuse to move off the garage's forecourt. Sometimes it is only the very dirty fluid providing any friction! A complete fluid change should cost you about 200gbp if you DIY - or 300-350 if using an indy garage. For the (relative) low outlay, it might be worth a shot?
IIRC place I took mine to quoted roughly 1.5-1.8k to fit a reconditioned box.
Instead I traded it in against a BMW E61 Msport.......and lost about 3k after selling it 8 months later
In my case the rest of the car seemed totally sound and looking back it might have been sensible to get it fixed...It's hard to justify spending almost 100% of a cars value on a repair that doesn't guarantee the rest of the damn thing won't go horribly wrong shortly afterwards though...tough call. I have fond memories of my V70, excellent cars.
Instead I traded it in against a BMW E61 Msport.......and lost about 3k after selling it 8 months later
In my case the rest of the car seemed totally sound and looking back it might have been sensible to get it fixed...It's hard to justify spending almost 100% of a cars value on a repair that doesn't guarantee the rest of the damn thing won't go horribly wrong shortly afterwards though...tough call. I have fond memories of my V70, excellent cars.
I've had similiar problems, 2003 V70 D5 210,000m on the clock,original box and fluid, decided to use Lucas oil ATF additive,2 litres out of original ATF and 2 litres of Lucas in,1500 miles on the clock since and fingers crossed running like a new box with just a small hesitation between 1 to 2 up and down,completely solved the main problem when hot of not liking to go through the gears 1 to 3 and back down.Snake oil,looks like its not ! seems to have cured whatever was wrong with mine ! obviously not going to cure a broken box.
Digby said:
Which box would likely be in a 98 V70 T5? The same chocolate one?
A '98 will most likely have the earlier 4-speed - you can tell from the gear selector. They're generally fine. The last of the Mk 1 V70's (99 & 00) did have the 5-speed gearbox and engine setup from the 00-07 V70 but, for some reason, don't seem quite as troublesome as in the later model. No logical reason why.The pre-99's with 4-speed gearbox and mechanical rather than electronic throttle are probably less potentially troublesome overall.
confused_buyer said:
Digby said:
Which box would likely be in a 98 V70 T5? The same chocolate one?
A '98 will most likely have the earlier 4-speed - you can tell from the gear selector. They're generally fine. The last of the Mk 1 V70's (99 & 00) did have the 5-speed gearbox and engine setup from the 00-07 V70 but, for some reason, don't seem quite as troublesome as in the later model. No logical reason why.The pre-99's with 4-speed gearbox and mechanical rather than electronic throttle are probably less potentially troublesome overall.
It has FSH mostly from main dealers and tons of receipts for work carried out (lots of which were extremely costly) but I can't see anything re: cambelt.I gather 80k miles is suggested, so I may have a go at that myself if it's not too hard on those models.
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