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[dr_gn]

Here's the look I'm aiming for with the flaps down, elevators drooped.

As yet I've not found a picture of a Tempest with the pilot's door/flap open. I've got some pics of pilots climbing out *over* the cockpit side, but not through the side flap. Presumably it did actually open? Judging by the tiny size of the cockpit opening I can't see much point in going OTT with cockpit detailling.

[perdu]

From all the sorting out I've done with my Tiffie so far it seems that after the Typhoon 1B when the sliding canopy appeared the doors fell out of use

The Flight cockpit diagram for the Typhoon shows a sliding hood, but I cannot yet see any actual evidence that the door opened from that point



Then, just to over complicate matters a photo for the cockpit interior shows what could just be a door but shows no sign of an opening handle





Mine will be of the doored variety to eliminate all doubt

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

From all the sorting out I've done with my Tiffie so far it seems that after the Typhoon 1B when the sliding canopy appeared the doors fell out of use

The Flight cockpit diagram for the Typhoon shows a sliding hood, but I cannot yet see any actual evidence that the door opened from that point



Then, just to over complicate matters a photo for the cockpit interior shows what could just be a door but shows no sign of an opening handle





Mine will be of the doored variety to eliminate all doubt

I think the 'doors' are actually not very easily removable panels. Reason I ask is if they are indeed inspection/access panels, then there's little point doing much cockpit detail since it will be mostly invisible.

[Nick_F]

There's not much 'cockpit green' in evidence, either...

[dr_gn]

Nick_F said:

There's not much 'cockpit green' in evidence, either...

I think if you look in areas other than around the instrument panel there is a bit more.

[perdu]

Yes I'd noticed that

basically green then blackish everywhere there's something to see

done a bit of Typhoon

I'll show this then butt out and get a new thread started to share the fun

if you don't want to see this G let me know and I'll pull it 'til my thread starts

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

Yes I'd noticed that

basically green then blackish everywhere there's something to see

done a bit of Typhoon

I'll show this then butt out and get a new thread started to share the fun

if you don't want to see this G let me know and I'll pull it 'til my thread starts

Feel free to post here Perdu. Looking better than resin/photo etch already! Are you considering cutting the doors open on this one?

[perdu]

Ah, caught me out now

This is a decision I haven't made yet, the detail I've put in will "just about" be visible but to open it out there would need to be far more accuracy in my panel detailing...

It is a sleep on it type of job, but for a first model in twenty five or more years maybe I'm already there.

I took the bull by the horns this afternoon and went back to visit my old friends at the Brum IPMS.

And some of them even remembered me, as I walked in the door from back of the room.

"Blimey!"

made me feel quite good you know

[dr_gn]

Found some more info on the Tempest V 'door', which is actually an emergency access panel. If I decide to have this removed or 'open' in my dispersal scene, then I'll fully detail the interior, otherwise I'll stick to plan 'a' and build it OOB:

[Yertis]

dr_gn said:

That's quite an unusual diorama inspiration, and you still get to build your crane .

[Eric Mc]

It's interesting that the VI had a crash structure behind the pilot - which seemed to be absent on the V.

[dr_gn]

Instrument panel painted:



Can't help thinking it would be better as a decal. Anyway it's heading for the bin because I think I might get a full cockpit detail kit after all. For 1:72, I can't see any other way of getting the same detail as resin within a sensible timeframe. Plus now I know I can display it with the emergency door removed, it makes more sense. Kind of.

[perdu]

optimist



Sorta scary what they miss out isnt it

I'm building a roughly -ish right panel and controls for my Tiffie but I wont have the door open

I am still considering opening the separate canopy door though

I'd consider using that one but make the "blind flying panel" separate with scored detail and such

the panel really was a basically standard shape across the range of aircraft

have you seen this picture it may help you with this bit



Anyway I would work that one up

1/72 doesn't pay back major reworks I found/find

I'll start putting my efforts up for critique tomorrow but I doubt it will be finished any time soon

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

optimist



Sorta scary what they miss out isnt it

I'm building a roughly -ish right panel and controls for my Tiffie but I wont have the door open

I am still considering opening the separate canopy door though

I'd consider using that one but make the "blind flying panel" separate with scored detail and such

the panel really was a basically standard shape across the range of aircraft

have you seen this picture it may help you with this bit



Anyway I would work that one up

1/72 doesn't pay back major reworks I found/find

I'll start putting my efforts up for critique tomorrow but I doubt it will be finished any time soon

MMM still finding my way with 1:72. Many ways more difficult than 1:32. Anyhow it's meant to be a learning exercise, and I've never tried resin before. Guess in terms of cockpit detailling it's not really 'modelling', just 'painting' mostly? It's like taking the 2 or so months of work that went into bodge-building the Bf109 cockpit, and replacing all the individual details with one massive lump of stuff?

We shall see.

I thought your Tempest had a car door type arrangement?

[Eric Mc]

The early Tempests did have car type door.

In 1/72, the effort to super detail cockpits is not that rewarding - although some do like to do it all the same. I tend to just want to add whatever detail is necessary to take any "bare look" off the interior.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

In 1/72, the effort to super detail cockpits is not that rewarding - although some do like to do it all the same. I tend to just want to add whatever detail is necessary to take any "bare look" off the interior.

I think if it's a cse of bodging a few lumps of resin in there, for the sake of £10 - why not?

The things you can actually see well, like the seat and belts, do look considerably better than the original kit items.

[Eric Mc]

Yes, kit seat can often be little more than an L shaped piece of plastic. I'll add some detail using sprue, paper etc. The Airfix/Heller kit does have an instrument panel but bo sidewall detail at all.

[dr_gn]

Ho well, slow progress tonight. Cut the flaps off (ouch) and elevators. U/C legs partially assembled too:



Also repaired / bodged / filled the Airfix Tractor and bomb trolley, and sprayed it RAF blue. Bizzarre Humbrol colour that: you can watch it dry from gloss to matt when wafted with a hirdryer, but when you tough it it's still moist. Takes another 8 hours or so in a warm room to cure. Wierd - I'm positive that matt enamels didin't take so long to dry in the good old days.

[perdu]

Ah...

I hoped that was a primer colour
the actual war time colour is much darker blue than that looks to me

It could easily be a problem with the colour and hue on my monitor but in honesty I've not seen any similar differences

The blue I am thinking of is more like the old Airfix Blue they advised for the tractor in the Stirling kit.

RAF Blue Grey however which was a post war colour mainly, I think is easily looked up as it is a proper Britsih Standards colour (was that BS 381? Kinda think it was)

Any way, the flaps are cut out nicely, a tad traumatic was it? I can imagine, looking at the underfuselage sections where you have to extract from a closed area. Nasty

Omigod those U/C legs are a tad dainty aren't they, too?

but this is looking very nice (blimey I wish dear old Frog had used a simple light grey styrene to mould in) I'm enjoying watching you guys getting down to this

Cheers

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

Ah...

I hoped that was a primer colour
the actual war time colour is much darker blue than that looks to me

It could easily be a problem with the colour and hue on my monitor but in honesty I've not seen any similar differences

The blue I am thinking of is more like the old Airfix Blue they advised for the tractor in the Stirling kit.

RAF Blue Grey however which was a post war colour mainly, I think is easily looked up as it is a proper Britsih Standards colour (was that BS 381? Kinda think it was)

Huh. What a pisser. It's definitely lighter than it was originally painted by me years ago.

I looked at the Airfix Refuelling Set in the shop to see what blue the refuelling tender was (was the same as the tractor back in the day) and it said Humbrol 96 "RAF Blue", so I bought it and merrily re-painted everything. No big deal to redo it, but I painted my 'Walrus' crane the same colour! (and I aint redoing that).

Typical bloody Airfix dheads.

Ah well, put that down to experience

ETA, luckily it darkens after a couple of coats of Klear, and will darken more after a dark wash and satin varnish presumably (the crane's been "Kleared", the tractor hasn't):

Edited by dr_gn on Wednesday 19th January 00:26