Renaultsport Megane R26.R - prices

Renaultsport Megane R26.R - prices

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NJH

3,021 posts

209 months

Wednesday 5th April 2017
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Water ingress is common on mk2 and mk3 Meganes in general. The problem is the cheapass Renault lot didn't bother to put any sealing plastic sheeting inside the door to cover between the drop glass and everything else, thus any rain water getting past the scraper seal runs down over the speaker and the back of the door cars. In my R26 the passenger door pocket was filling up with water that was coming through the speaker surround!

Apart from normal typical stuff the other common things that have annoyed me on my R26 are the daft handbrake assembly breaks up in the handle (replace hand brake assembly), and the dreaded hub swivel bearings. Both are stupid design flaws in my book along with the leaky doors.

Still amazing cars though that you can chuck around and hunt much flashier machinery with on track.

nigelonich

1,017 posts

220 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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Disclaimer: I own an R26.R (my second) and a Trophy R.

Right now there is a real spike upwards for the non black, Ti pipe, caged R26.R's. Of the 100 ish R26.R's about half are black and the rest are evenly grey, blue, pearl or solid white. There are a couple of rare yellow and silver cars. I dont keep a database but I have watched this market closely for 4 years and bought two R26.R's and a Trophy R. I sold my first R26.R to a friend last year and resold it for him in May. The market only wants R26.R with a Ti pipe and a cage. Black cars seem to take longer to sell but black cars without a ti pipe and cage are the slowest to shift it seems. At the moment a sub 20k mile decent spec car is going to be about £25k and this has jumped £5k in the last six months. All the good cars sell in a week and I can only see this heading to £30k by 2018 so nobody is losing money on one of these cars.

The Trophy R is really difficult as they all sold the moment they were announced and only a few (less than 10/30) have been resold since as I was looking for one all last year. I wanted a car with the ring pack, big brembo's, black roof, climate and the v2 monitor which I managed to get and it seemed a lot of money for a Megane which lost far too much money in the first year but things seem stable just now. The first owners have taken a real bath but if they hold on then I think things will settle at £30-35k

FWIW Id have the Trophy R over the R26.R. Although its not as funky and hardcore its just as rapid and nicer place to be and not as 'common'!


MikeGoodwin

3,338 posts

117 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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nigelonich said:
Disclaimer: I own an R26.R (my second) and a Trophy R.

Right now there is a real spike upwards for the non black, Ti pipe, caged R26.R's. Of the 100 ish R26.R's about half are black and the rest are evenly grey, blue, pearl or solid white. There are a couple of rare yellow and silver cars. I dont keep a database but I have watched this market closely for 4 years and bought two R26.R's and a Trophy R. I sold my first R26.R to a friend last year and resold it for him in May. The market only wants R26.R with a Ti pipe and a cage. Black cars seem to take longer to sell but black cars without a ti pipe and cage are the slowest to shift it seems. At the moment a sub 20k mile decent spec car is going to be about £25k and this has jumped £5k in the last six months. All the good cars sell in a week and I can only see this heading to £30k by 2018 so nobody is losing money on one of these cars.

The Trophy R is really difficult as they all sold the moment they were announced and only a few (less than 10/30) have been resold since as I was looking for one all last year. I wanted a car with the ring pack, big brembo's, black roof, climate and the v2 monitor which I managed to get and it seemed a lot of money for a Megane which lost far too much money in the first year but things seem stable just now. The first owners have taken a real bath but if they hold on then I think things will settle at £30-35k

FWIW Id have the Trophy R over the R26.R. Although its not as funky and hardcore its just as rapid and nicer place to be and not as 'common'!
Interesting input. Ive never been in a Trophy R (wanted one and the Mrs gave the OK until she saw the cage and cargo net at which point she refused) but now own a 275 nav with cup, 18s, sportsters and I think I would have been most happy with an ohlins shod 275 of some sort. The Trophy R just didnt seem special enough looking back now and whats so special about the 275 trophy other than the sticker on the front since the 275 cups/nav were released??

Alex_6n2

328 posts

199 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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MikeGoodwin said:
The Trophy R just didnt seem special enough looking back now and whats so special about the 275 trophy other than the sticker on the front since the 275 cups/nav were released??
There's little/no difference between a Trophy and a 275 Cup-S with Recaros/Akrapovic/19s/Ohlins

The Trophy-R had a few special bits though:

Carbon Recaro Pole Position seats (Not the Sportsters as in other Megs)
Lots of weight loss (No rear seats/aircon/auto climate/stereo and less sound proofing)
Composite front springs (-4KG)
Speedline Turinis (-5KG)
The Nurburgring pack has 350mm discs rather than 340mm, a lightweight Li battery and harnesses
Rear cross brace

Only 30 were made too


artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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I've read this thread. For what it's worth.

I have a 2009 black/red R26.R Titanium Exhaust and factory roll cage. Unmodified apart from braided brake hoses. Otherwise 9/10 condition. 9200 miles FSH 7 stamps, cam belt done, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 etc.

Before I gave up trading, I bought and sold loads of them.

The perception that black are undesirable is false, look at values of blue Clio V6 255 which are by far the most common and still sold at silly prices. Also, many more mature drivers don't want to be out in a car with a (boy racer) black bonnet, so the black cars tick the 'conservative look' box, OK, so most have red alloys and stripes erhm. Also, in the last few years a few black cars that have been abused and/or badly damaged have been doing the rounds and distorting the 'appearance' of the market. Because, the real market isn't even on PH or in the classifieds now, it's amongst friends on forums and the best cars are changing hands IRO £22000-£25000. I concur that a really exceptional car in a rare colour would command more, but none are undesirable. If a 20000 mile car with a aftermarket roll cage sold for up to £24K what's a better example worth? Do enthusiasts who own them really care? Maybe not if they bought them for their dynamics. As someone already said, manufacturers are scared off manufacturing cars like this (with a manual gearbox no chance now either) and in 2017 a similar car would be twice the price, £20K is cheap. Renault were recently going to make a Clio RS equivalent and tested the water, but Ghosn canned it due to the cost.

Like people who aspire to own an R26.R just as the prices escalate I can sympathise with because cars I'd like to buy for myself are reaching escape velocity too. I have countless tales of cars I sold in the last 5 years where values have gone mental.

So many are now owned by people who will not sell them there will be less offered for sale so as a benchmark price ongoing expect the prices to be around £19000 for a car in average condition with regular exhaust and hopefully a factory roll cage. Personally I wouldn't buy one without a cage. I know from experience unmodified cars are much easier to sell, but as time marches on, nobody will care (see Renault 5 Turbo 2 that are in a state and not worth a light ten years ago now fetching £60K with wrong seats and wheels).

I have bought many R26.R from Porsche GT3, GT3RS, even GT2 and 430 Scuderia owners and I can tell you it's been touch and go they even want to let them go at the last minute. Enthusiast owner testament to their capabilities.

You cannot replicate the noise from the Titanium Exhaust. I think it's the way Ti resonates combined with the plastic windows. In 30 years of selling cars like this no other car I have been involved in sounds like it will suck you out the back window. The after market stuff like K-Tec and Miltek sell are a hoot for pops and bangs and improve a non-Ti car but a Ti exhaust is worth more in adding to the event of driving than just weight saving.

If you own an R26.R I'd suggest you try and keep it, Renaultsport spent a fortune manufacturing the car (including the development of the 225 into the 230 R26 before it) and certainly lost money on them. There were never 230, probably not even 156 sold (last anecdotal total I recall from around 2011) if you look at howmanyleft.co.uk there are 76 RHD remaining in the UK now. How many cars like this are there only 76 of?

BenLowden

6,031 posts

177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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For anyone that doesn't have a Ti exhaust, CGR make a titanium system that's 7kg! I know it's not OEM fit, but worth a look. And it'll turn blue with use too cool

https://www.cgrautomotive.co.uk/single-post/2016/1...

artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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BenLowden said:
For anyone that doesn't have a Ti exhaust, CGR make a titanium system that's 7kg! I know it's not OEM fit, but worth a look. And it'll turn blue with use too cool

https://www.cgrautomotive.co.uk/single-post/2016/1...
It will be interesting to see the price. The last purchase from a Renault parts department was either £2000 incl VAT or £2000+VAT cannot recall as the invoice was in the pack.

nigelonich

1,017 posts

220 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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artdealer said:
I've read this thread. For what it's worth.

I have a 2009 black/red R26.R Titanium Exhaust and factory roll cage. Unmodified apart from braided brake hoses. Otherwise 9/10 condition. 9200 miles FSH 7 stamps, cam belt done, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 etc.

Before I gave up trading, I bought and sold loads of them.

The perception that black are undesirable is false, look at values of blue Clio V6 255 which are by far the most common and still sold at silly prices. Also, many more mature drivers don't want to be out in a car with a (boy racer) black bonnet, so the black cars tick the 'conservative look' box, OK, so most have red alloys and stripes erhm. Also, in the last few years a few black cars that have been abused and/or badly damaged have been doing the rounds and distorting the 'appearance' of the market. Because, the real market isn't even on PH or in the classifieds now, it's amongst friends on forums and the best cars are changing hands IRO £22000-£25000. I concur that a really exceptional car in a rare colour would command more, but none are undesirable. If a 20000 mile car with a aftermarket roll cage sold for up to £24K what's a better example worth? Do enthusiasts who own them really care? Maybe not if they bought them for their dynamics. As someone already said, manufacturers are scared off manufacturing cars like this (with a manual gearbox no chance now either) and in 2017 a similar car would be twice the price, £20K is cheap. Renault were recently going to make a Clio RS equivalent and tested the water, but Ghosn canned it due to the cost.

Like people who aspire to own an R26.R just as the prices escalate I can sympathise with because cars I'd like to buy for myself are reaching escape velocity too. I have countless tales of cars I sold in the last 5 years where values have gone mental.

So many are now owned by people who will not sell them there will be less offered for sale so as a benchmark price ongoing expect the prices to be around £19000 for a car in average condition with regular exhaust and hopefully a factory roll cage. Personally I wouldn't buy one without a cage. I know from experience unmodified cars are much easier to sell, but as time marches on, nobody will care (see Renault 5 Turbo 2 that are in a state and not worth a light ten years ago now fetching £60K with wrong seats and wheels).

I have bought many R26.R from Porsche GT3, GT3RS, even GT2 and 430 Scuderia owners and I can tell you it's been touch and go they even want to let them go at the last minute. Enthusiast owner testament to their capabilities.

You cannot replicate the noise from the Titanium Exhaust. I think it's the way Ti resonates combined with the plastic windows. In 30 years of selling cars like this no other car I have been involved in sounds like it will suck you out the back window. The after market stuff like K-Tec and Miltek sell are a hoot for pops and bangs and improve a non-Ti car but a Ti exhaust is worth more in adding to the event of driving than just weight saving.

If you own an R26.R I'd suggest you try and keep it, Renaultsport spent a fortune manufacturing the car (including the development of the 225 into the 230 R26 before it) and certainly lost money on them. There were never 230, probably not even 156 sold (last anecdotal total I recall from around 2011) if you look at howmanyleft.co.uk there are 76 RHD remaining in the UK now. How many cars like this are there only 76 of?
+1

squirdan

1,083 posts

147 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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another car sold for strong money...nothing to do with me, I simply post it as an observable data point

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

the right price for a car with the desired spec (cage and Ti exhaust) is definitely looking like £23k+ based on the last two for sale

on the other hand there are some in less popular colours or spec that seem to hang around for weeks at £19k

this I think illustrates the R26.R is increasingly a collector driven market and people want what is perceived as "the best", as opposed to saving a few grand.

a double edged sword as it puts me off adding miles to mine...

squirdan

1,083 posts

147 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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while we are on values - which at the end of the day this thread was about - what about Eur42k or £36k !!

low miles lunar grey car in Germany

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/renaul...

M3 CSL best proxy for whats going on here IMHO.... these cars will be £50k eventually

nigelonich

1,017 posts

220 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Alex_6n2 said:
There's little/no difference between a Trophy and a 275 Cup-S with Recaros/Akrapovic/19s/Ohlins

The Trophy-R had a few special bits though:

Carbon Recaro Pole Position seats (Not the Sportsters as in other Megs)
Lots of weight loss (No rear seats/aircon/auto climate/stereo and less sound proofing)
Composite front springs (-4KG)
Speedline Turinis (-5KG)
The Nurburgring pack has 350mm discs rather than 340mm, a lightweight Li battery and harnesses
Rear cross brace

Only 30 were made too
Ill need to look but I don't think my TR seats are carbon. My R26R seats are.
The TR didnt get the diet that the R26R had as it retained it passenger side airbag for example and although climate is an extra the base car came with a sound system etc unlike the R26R.
Although there are 30 UK RHD cars there are a few hundred more LHD cars. R26R UK cars are dropping fast as they leave for the far east.

I wish the TR had been as extreme as the R26R as there were so many weight saving aspects missed which were completed on the R26R. Rear wiper delete was about the only one they did and missed airbags, plastic for glass, carbon bonnet and small other deletions.

The Cup S (full spec) v Trophy R debate is just the same as the R26 F1 v R26R debate. The rarer car remains more valuable.



artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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squirdan said:
while we are on values - which at the end of the day this thread was about - what about Eur42k or £36k !!

low miles lunar grey car in Germany

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/renaul...

M3 CSL best proxy for whats going on here IMHO.... these cars will be £50k eventually
As someone who sold a black total spec CSL around 2010 for £22250 I to hope the .R eventually scales those heights!

Dan, you have a mint car that I know has been owned by enthusiasts throughout it's life. (If it was the one with the extra holes in the seat subframe? when registered new that was ex-Honda F1 Engineer retirement pressie to himself - then I bought & sold throughout its life). Then Martin added the gold foil to underside of bonnet etc.) I probably should have kept that one instead of going around the houses to retail and then buy back 036. Definitely worth holding on to.

Amused by the tag on the Euro car for sale R26.R 'Radicale'

artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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squirdan said:
another car sold for strong money...nothing to do with me, I simply post it as an observable data point

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

the right price for a car with the desired spec (cage and Ti exhaust) is definitely looking like £23k+ based on the last two for sale

on the other hand there are some in less popular colours or spec that seem to hang around for weeks at £19k

this I think illustrates the R26.R is increasingly a collector driven market and people want what is perceived as "the best", as opposed to saving a few grand.

a double edged sword as it puts me off adding miles to mine...
I know who bought that (not me) and it may come back on the market. Certainly verifies the estimated price ranges of low mileage VGC Ti & Cage cars.

I think we will all need to get our heads around how to insure them ongoing to ensure they're an adequately insured value to replace them. Another topic perhaps.

Frimley111R

15,652 posts

234 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Lovely though that one looks, whats the thoughts on it being modified though? Surely a lot of the value is in the originality?

Alex_6n2

328 posts

199 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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nigelonich said:
The Cup S (full spec) v Trophy R debate is just the same as the R26 F1 v R26R debate. The rarer car remains more valuable.
Full spec Cup-S vs Trophy-R is chalk and cheese to me. With the R being a much more desirable track car.

"Normal" Trophy vs Full Spec Cup-S is more what I was getting at, where I see no real difference. You're right on the rarity front.

Interested to know if your Pole Position seats are/aren't carbon. I was always told they are, but I don't own one.

artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Frimley111R said:
Lovely though that one looks, whats the thoughts on it being modified though? Surely a lot of the value is in the originality?
Ad says it has original parts so a refit of original intercooler and remap back to standard isn't difficult. It's what I did to 026 for a buyer who wanted standard.

They are much improved by +40bhp and extra torque though. Always think that should have been power as standard from new.

squirdan

1,083 posts

147 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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artdealer said:
squirdan said:
while we are on values - which at the end of the day this thread was about - what about Eur42k or £36k !!

low miles lunar grey car in Germany

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/renaul...

M3 CSL best proxy for whats going on here IMHO.... these cars will be £50k eventually
As someone who sold a black total spec CSL around 2010 for £22250 I to hope the .R eventually scales those heights!

Dan, you have a mint car that I know has been owned by enthusiasts throughout it's life. (If it was the one with the extra holes in the seat subframe? when registered new that was ex-Honda F1 Engineer retirement pressie to himself - then I bought & sold throughout its life). Then Martin added the gold foil to underside of bonnet etc.) I probably should have kept that one instead of going around the houses to retail and then buy back 036. Definitely worth holding on to.

Amused by the tag on the Euro car for sale R26.R 'Radicale'
that you Steve??

Frimley111R

15,652 posts

234 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Overall I see values creeping up but no big increases and you'll need to keep mileages low (i.e. hardly use one) to protect its value, much like other appreciating cars.

Looking at 3 on AT currently, I can see the 41,000 miler that was optimistically at £22,000 a few months ago back below £20,000 and two other lower mileage examples at around £20,000. Again, i don't see any big gains coming, just static/firm prices or slight increases.

artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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squirdan said:
that you Steve??
Yes, or a car enthusiast clairvoyant :-)

squirdan

1,083 posts

147 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

£24,900

another nice high price :-)

up,up,up

ALL the ingredients are there....rare / cool / extreme spec / great drive