Clio 182 Trophy or 200 Cup

Clio 182 Trophy or 200 Cup

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Gibbo205

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3,541 posts

207 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Hi there

Looking at buying something truly fun and the shortlist is pretty long with cars such as:
Saxo 1.6 VTS
106 GTi
106 S2 Rallye
182 Trophy
200 Cup


Problem with the older stuff is either rotten is crazily priced whereas 182 Trophy seem to hovering around 5-9k but for the same money you can get a 200 cup or full fat cup.

Anyone here owned both the 182 Trophy and newer 200 model with cup stuff?

I see a 182 Trophy is nice and easy purchase, they are all identical and only 500 units ever made.

Whereas the 200 seems a bit more confusing, there seems to be cup models (none colour coded bumper strips) but they don't have Recaro seats whereas some of the none cup models seem to be listed as full fat cup with the Recaro's, so its a bit confusing, anyone know the difference?

Those who have owned a 182 cup / trophy and also owned the 200 cup or 200 with cup options how would you say the 182 and 200 compare for a fun weekend car for blasting down narrow b-roads.

I do notice the 182 seems a much smaller car than the 200, but maybe its just the body shape and design making 200 look bigger or it really is a much larger car, probably heavier too.

The main priorities are lightweight, super fun with incredible feedback and with little to no depreciation hence the focus been on more original hot hatches from around 2000 period.

Gibbo205

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3,541 posts

207 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Or maybe something like this:

200 Gordini
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Assume that has the cup options, apart from Recaro's?

Likely to depreciate further or a future classic?

Gibbo205

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3,541 posts

207 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Or maybe a 172 cup would be best buy?

Am I right in thinking:

172 Cup: 1025kg
172: 1090kg
182 Trophy: 1075kg
182 Cup: 1090kg
182: 1110kg
200 cup: 1210kg

Do I have my weights correct does anyone know?

Anyone driven most of them, a particular favourite?

Jester86

435 posts

109 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Gibbo,

In the Clio world the terminology is roughly as follows.

Cup ---> Has the Cup pack. Different chassis/suspension setups/Alloys. No Aircon, half leather etc.
Non Cup ---> Has the fat comfy stuff. Like aircon, half leather, xenons etc.
Full Fat ---> Has both of the above packs together. Giving you the harder setup with the creature comforts.

I have owned Clio Trophy #42 and loved it. One of the best cars I have ever driven. I cannot compare it to the 200 as I have never owned one, but I probably should have kept the Trophy with how values are going now. As with all the 1*2 generation cambelts/aux belts are the big expense. But if you own a Trophy you also have to look after the Sachs dampers, when healthy they truely are a brilliant setup.

Everything else on them is pretty cheap to repair or replace.

Salamura

522 posts

81 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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I'd personally go for a Trophy if I were in your position. They're generally more special than the 200 cups in terms of exclusivity, and I reckon will be a better investment. They're also a different animal: lighter, more raw, smaller, and altogether a bit more oldskool. The upkeep should be similar for both cars until you remember the Sachs dampers on the Trophy, which are not cheap to refurbish. But I reckon you'll see your money back if you invest in a Trophy.

Gibbo205

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207 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Salamura said:
I'd personally go for a Trophy if I were in your position. They're generally more special than the 200 cups in terms of exclusivity, and I reckon will be a better investment. They're also a different animal: lighter, more raw, smaller, and altogether a bit more oldskool. The upkeep should be similar for both cars until you remember the Sachs dampers on the Trophy, which are not cheap to refurbish. But I reckon you'll see your money back if you invest in a Trophy.
Yes also my thinking, I do prefer the idea of something more old school, lighter and smaller as modern cars have just become bloated and over weight. It was also the reason why I had 106 GTi and Saxo VTS on the list as well.

In my youth I had four 205's I loved them that much, an XS Carb, XS FI, 1.6 GTI and 1.9 GTI, they were good fun and you had to work them hard, I must of got lucky as they were also reliable with only the 1.9 GTI having issues with rust/corrosion, though the first XS Carb I wrote off pretty much as we all do with our first cars. biggrin

R12many

182 posts

92 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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I couldn't live with the 200 Cup as it was just to hard a ride on our wonderfully craps roads so went for the standard 200 and it's near perfect on B roads. Handling, braking and engine is fantastic. So much feel!

Edited by R12many on Thursday 16th August 19:48

LordHaveMurci

12,040 posts

169 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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I've had a 172 Cup for over 8yrs, from what you've said I'd strongly suggest the Trophy or even a 182 Cup with a few sensible mods & pocket a fair few quid difference.

They are truly great fars, there's a reason Harry Metcalf has a Trophy alongside many far more exotic motors & he's not the only one.

Gibbo205

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3,541 posts

207 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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LordHaveMurci said:
I've had a 172 Cup for over 8yrs, from what you've said I'd strongly suggest the Trophy or even a 182 Cup with a few sensible mods & pocket a fair few quid difference.

They are truly great fars, there's a reason Harry Metcalf has a Trophy alongside many far more exotic motors & he's not the only one.
Would you not recommend the 172 Cup then? I see out of the bunch its the lightest of them all at 1021kg. smile

LordHaveMurci

12,040 posts

169 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Gibbo205 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
I've had a 172 Cup for over 8yrs, from what you've said I'd strongly suggest the Trophy or even a 182 Cup with a few sensible mods & pocket a fair few quid difference.

They are truly great fars, there's a reason Harry Metcalf has a Trophy alongside many far more exotic motors & he's not the only one.
Would you not recommend the 172 Cup then? I see out of the bunch its the lightest of them all at 1021kg. smile
Mine is a 2nd car (well, 3rd really), the 182's should offer a little more comfort than the 172 Cup but still offer most of the thrills if you're going to be using it a lot.

Mine does approx 1500mls pa & was originally purchased to hillclimb.

AGK

1,601 posts

155 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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I've had a few Trophys and many 172/182 over the years.

Orderd a brand new 200 with aww da options back in 2010 and sold it after 7 weeks, utter gash compared to the older ones. The 1*2's are so much more fun IMO.

I was going to buy another Trophy last week but the guy wouldn't budge on price despite it needing a few things done so bought a Racing Blue 182 instead.


jbaddeley

829 posts

205 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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If you want a hatch that hasn't appreciated yet go for a Peugeot 306 GTi6 Rallye. 106s phase 1 and 2 Rallyes are a lot of fun too but have crept up.Even more exclusive than Clio Trophy. You can't go wrong with either Clio tbh. Had many a jaunt chasing my pal in his 197 in my old golf r and they carry a hell of a lot of speed. Just found that they need to be revved out. 172 CUp also a good choice. I'm using a cheap 306 as a track car ATM and it's a hell of a lot of fun for a front wheel drive car.

jbaddeley

829 posts

205 months

Thursday 2nd August 2018
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And if your budget stretches a trophy don't rule out a Megane 230. These are superb.

artdealer

258 posts

213 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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About 2010 I sold a Clio 182 Trophy and took a very nice red RS Clio 197 Cup Packs car back in p/x - his other half couldn't understand him, but he did the right thing. The only problem now is the price of a nice unmodified and original Clio 182 Trophy.

Matty2449

33 posts

76 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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I owned a 200 cup and it was a proper Friday built car. Awful paintwork and the manifold went - it was just out of warranty and Renault Uk stumped up 50% of the cost. I had it repaired and then got rid of it, vowing never to get another French car again. And then i got a rs megane 250 lol. In fairness the megane has been absolutely faultless. If you do decide on a 200 cup choose very carefully....

majorjoy

75 posts

69 months

Sunday 5th August 2018
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LordHaveMurci said:
I've had a 172 Cup for over 8yrs, from what you've said I'd strongly suggest the Trophy or even a 182 Cup with a few sensible mods & pocket a fair few quid difference.

They are truly great fars, there's a reason Harry Metcalf has a Trophy alongside many far more exotic motors & he's not the only one.
Jethro Bovingdon has just got himself a 182 Trophy too...Check out last months excellent Modern Classics magazine where there's a whole feature on all the fast Clio's written by Jethro...
I have the 172 and it's the most entertaining b road weapon!

cerb4.5lee

30,477 posts

180 months

Sunday 5th August 2018
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I've never had a Renault or ever been much of a fan of French cars...but I have tons of respect for the Clio Trophy etc, because I know they will raise a massive smile on a back road.

Gibbo205

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3,541 posts

207 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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Got myself a 1 owner, 50k miles 172 cup in the end, I am now fully restoring it. smile

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

157 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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Gibbo205 said:
Got myself a 1 owner, 50k miles 172 cup in the end, I am now fully restoring it. smile
Good choice. I suspect the 197/200's would be more expensive to maintain and there's not much between them all, certainly in terms of fun.

Is the 172 a 5 speed? that was the only criticism I'd have as the gear spacing can take it out of the power band a bit.

Salamura

522 posts

81 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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Congratulations! Good choice. The 172 Cup is a lot cheaper than either a 200 or a Trophy, and probably just as fun. With the money you've saved on the purchase you can get it in top condition.

Regarding the 5 speed box: I never found the ratios to be too wide. You can easily keep it in the high range. The only time a 6th is useful is on motorway journeys, as it does get a bit droney sitting at 3500 rpm...