Lohen Performance Pack 2
Discussion
Thanks Slowstig for the lead. I saw this on their Facebook link from the website :-
"Yep, it's another F56 Mini Cooper S 2.0T in for custom mapping; and no wonder: group buy at JUST £325!!"
Hasn't anyone told them it's a 1.6
If they can do the business cheaper, then that is certainly an alternate option. Will need to contact them direct for info as not much on their site.
"Yep, it's another F56 Mini Cooper S 2.0T in for custom mapping; and no wonder: group buy at JUST £325!!"
Hasn't anyone told them it's a 1.6
If they can do the business cheaper, then that is certainly an alternate option. Will need to contact them direct for info as not much on their site.
Sorry, my fault for misreading. They are though referring to an upgrade for the Gen 3 F56 2.0l.
I'm Gen 2 1.6l and an R58 rather than R56 as I'm wearing a baseball cap the wrong way round... Complex this isn't it?
At the risk of derailing the thread completely...
I did note in passing on the Lohen site that they did not have any ecu upgrades at all listed for the Gen 3 when I first looked, but now they do! 285 BHP and 480 Nm of torque for the stage 2 (£720)
Edited to add: [i]The ECU tunes requires the MINI to be fitted with a performance air filter or induction kit, a quality uprated intercooler and a freer flowing Sport cat downpipe or de-cat pipe if the MINI is being used on track.
The Stage 2 ECU tune coupled with the hardware upgrades will deliver approximately 285 BHP and 480 Nm of torque.[/i]
So there still will be the additional expense of this, but does not mention need / recommendation for clutch upgrade. Hence the costs for 'my' upgrade in comparison are not obscene, relative to this.
Now back to my R58 JCW....
I'm Gen 2 1.6l and an R58 rather than R56 as I'm wearing a baseball cap the wrong way round... Complex this isn't it?
At the risk of derailing the thread completely...
I did note in passing on the Lohen site that they did not have any ecu upgrades at all listed for the Gen 3 when I first looked, but now they do! 285 BHP and 480 Nm of torque for the stage 2 (£720)
Edited to add: [i]The ECU tunes requires the MINI to be fitted with a performance air filter or induction kit, a quality uprated intercooler and a freer flowing Sport cat downpipe or de-cat pipe if the MINI is being used on track.
The Stage 2 ECU tune coupled with the hardware upgrades will deliver approximately 285 BHP and 480 Nm of torque.[/i]
So there still will be the additional expense of this, but does not mention need / recommendation for clutch upgrade. Hence the costs for 'my' upgrade in comparison are not obscene, relative to this.
Now back to my R58 JCW....
Edited by GaryF on Wednesday 15th November 17:06
I am running about 220 in a R53 Gen1 with a stage 1 Lohen kit as well as a Miltek cat back, 200cell cat, thier ebach lowering kit, the matching shocks and drilled / grooved disks.
Only bought it a month or so ago, so it is going in for a little fettling next week, then I'll get it booked onto a dyno for a proper test.
But it handles like and go-kart and picks up amazingly 30mph and upwards.
Only bought it a month or so ago, so it is going in for a little fettling next week, then I'll get it booked onto a dyno for a proper test.
But it handles like and go-kart and picks up amazingly 30mph and upwards.
mon the fish said:
The standard clutch in all variants has always been fine with more power, I'm sure it can easily take high-200s
If that is the case, then it shaves a chunky £1,560 off my potential bill (TTV Organic clutch: £1,200, Fitting: £360).Lohen state that the the TTV organic clutch can take up to 475Nm and warn that:
"For MINI owners who were running more than 360Nm of torque, there only option for a reliable clutch was a paddle kit that compared with standard, was more noisy, heavier and not as user friendly for day to day driving on UK roads. Now, thanks to Lohen and TTV, we can now offer a road clutch that has no trade offs."
Whats the opinion here on putting ~270 BHP & ~407 Nm of torque through a standard clutch? I think its the torque that's the killer as opposed to outright BHP.
Lohen also have this Quaife ATB diff for helping get the power down but it is only for Cooper S models :-
http://www.lohen.co.uk/shop/gen-2-mini/drivetrain/...
What do I have in my JCW as standard?
A thing to be conscious of, depending on when one might have done their reading into this if they're looking at Manic maps: it used to be that you just paid the difference to upgrade between Stage 1 and Stage 2, this is no longer the case and was only changed around a month ago. It was one of my reasons for just getting Stage 1 and sticking with it.
Complex said:
A thing to be conscious of, depending on when one might have done their reading into this if they're looking at Manic maps: it used to be that you just paid the difference to upgrade between Stage 1 and Stage 2, this is no longer the case and was only changed around a month ago. It was one of my reasons for just getting Stage 1 and sticking with it.
I had seen that, most tuners happily allow you to pay the difference, its the one thing that puts me off the map.steve-5snwi said:
I had seen that, most tuners happily allow you to pay the difference, its the one thing that puts me off the map.
There has been a little bit of feedback I have read that Manic/Lohen are not offering as greater value-gains compared to in the past, hence why there is a lot more tuning companies who are offering better vfm in comparison.It seems a shame as Lohen seems to have a good reputation but taking their F56 maps, its £700+ for a stage 1 which gives ~240/250bhp compared to what dervtech(for example) are offering 280bhp+ for £325 it seems hard to justify imo.
SlowStig said:
There has been a little bit of feedback I have read that Manic/Lohen are not offering as greater value-gains compared to in the past, hence why there is a lot more tuning companies who are offering better vfm in comparison.
It seems a shame as Lohen seems to have a good reputation but taking their F56 maps, its £700+ for a stage 1 which gives ~240/250bhp compared to what dervtech(for example) are offering 280bhp+ for £325 it seems hard to justify imo.
Its worth noting - That price includes a new panel filter and spark plugs. The stage one remap is actually only £480.It seems a shame as Lohen seems to have a good reputation but taking their F56 maps, its £700+ for a stage 1 which gives ~240/250bhp compared to what dervtech(for example) are offering 280bhp+ for £325 it seems hard to justify imo.
Is there anyone else other than the manic maps ? Evolve seem to have dropped the R56 and moved on to the F56 although they never really pushed the R56, the only other that seemed to push Mini maps was Ptorque but they don't seem to have the best reputation when it comes to accurate power gains.
That why I want my checked on a Dyno and possible Re-remapped.
It has a PTorque map on it and it also does something odd in 4th and 5th at around 3500rpm.
Revs drop back but acceleration and power keeps climbing. Could be the map pegging back the revs to be able to cope with the power. Other than that I don’t know.
Will be interesting to see what the dyno pulls up.
V
It has a PTorque map on it and it also does something odd in 4th and 5th at around 3500rpm.
Revs drop back but acceleration and power keeps climbing. Could be the map pegging back the revs to be able to cope with the power. Other than that I don’t know.
Will be interesting to see what the dyno pulls up.
V
VEX said:
That why I want my checked on a Dyno and possible Re-remapped.
It has a PTorque map on it and it also does something odd in 4th and 5th at around 3500rpm.
Revs drop back but acceleration and power keeps climbing. Could be the map pegging back the revs to be able to cope with the power. Other than that I don’t know.
Will be interesting to see what the dyno pulls up.
V
I can't comment on the R53 model, though if you have a query either with an existing remap from a tune that you've had put on, or can prove was done by a certain tuner, I'd speak with them directly & you could always book it in with the tuner for a dyno run which isn't expensive. There are a people on certain forums who'll readily talk down the ability of certain tuners when every car is different in terms of maintenance (and hence reliability) & when you tune certain models to see up to 40% bhp (or more) increases, inevitably a handful don't respond well though it's mostly down to pre-existing issues that are hidden unless a compression test is run & had thorough pre-mod investigations.It has a PTorque map on it and it also does something odd in 4th and 5th at around 3500rpm.
Revs drop back but acceleration and power keeps climbing. Could be the map pegging back the revs to be able to cope with the power. Other than that I don’t know.
Will be interesting to see what the dyno pulls up.
V
Every dyno offers different figures given its individual characteristics & IMO it's not about " mines got "X" bhp", it's about how it drives & whether you like it or not. I've read stories of cars with the tuner mapping that's discussed in this post chucking pistons & some tuned cars just detonating because they're revved hard from cold which shows the reduced reliability tolerances when chasing the higher bhp. FWIW, my MCS R56 with circa 250bhp is more than enough to entertain me as a weekend toy & l run uprated oil & change it every 3k miles or so with a careful warming up & cooling down procedure.
moonigan said:
Spend £1800 getting Ohlins R&T fitted. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face. Transformed my car when I had it.
They made a massive difference to mine when i bought them off you as well 
I no longer have the car, but they are for sale on Minitorque atm for £950 btw.
OP - id be looking at fitting a Quaife whilst the box is apart, id choose that over a Manic map personally, especially if yours is an N14 with the slightly chocolaty pistons. Re: the OEM clutch/flywheel, its made of cheese and starts to fail early running standard power, so with 230bhp + (what my N14 fJCW made with just de-cat/FMIC/AEM induction) it wont last very long at all.
I had the organic Helix clutch/SMF fitted and whilst its better than a paddle, its nowhere near OEM in feel & judders.
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