R53 MINI Cooper s, pulley and coolant/heater help!

R53 MINI Cooper s, pulley and coolant/heater help!

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Idiot88

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38 posts

80 months

Saturday 27th October 2018
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Not long purchased a Mini Cooper s r53, overall really happy but I’m after some guidance please;

1) The heater (climate control model) blows cold when cruising and at low speed but a few fast WOT runs gets hot and then cools again once settling back into a cruise. I thought it may be a new stat, but the coolant temp warms up from cold sits bang in the middle of the gauge and (touch wood)never changes once up to temp (I always believed on a steady cruise it would drop if the stat was faulty)?

2) I’ve purchased a 17% reduction pulley, modified OE bypas valve by 1320mini and 2 steps colder spark plugs - these are being fitted during a major service any ideas what bhp it will run and is it worth remapping after the additions?

3)As above its having a major service plus a few bits I’ve been recommended anything I’ve missed - car has 95k miles on clock full history

Coolant
Water pump (as a precaution whilst supercharger off)
Supercharger oil
Spark plugs
Oil
Oil filter
Bypass valve
(Air filter won’t be touched as cold air intake on the cards imminently)

Anything else to look at, cars running well if a bit thirsty. Thanks in advanced.





E-bmw

9,219 posts

152 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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It sounds like you may have airlock in your coolant system, mention it to 1320 & they should be able to help.

The power you will get will depend on which engine you have, there are 163 & 170 bhp versions of the R53.

Assuming the 170 you should end up with approaching 190 maybe a touch more, although if your intercooler is standard the air inlet temperatures form fitting a 17% pulley will peg the power back. Really you need a better intercooler to help this.

A remap shouldn't really change anything unless you go for bigger injectors at some point.

These are a bit thirsty due to the supercharger taking power to drive it & therefore increasing the fuel consumption.

Idiot88

Original Poster:

38 posts

80 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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I thought it may be an air lock. In regards to the engine it’s a 163bhp variation and it will be receiving a new intercooler and injectors come spring. The long term goal is 275bhp and I would like to slim the car down to near a 1000kg.

Thanks for the response.

Shappers24

816 posts

86 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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It’s generally recommended that anything above a 15% pulley needs a bigger intercooler to cope with the higher temperatures.

Worth the £400 investment for a larger intercooler if it stops your engine going bang!

E-bmw

9,219 posts

152 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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275 is possible (just) but you will need serious head work complete with BVH & cam replacement along with the injectors & intercooler that you mention.

Idiot88

Original Poster:

38 posts

80 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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The Cam is on the cards later on - BVH?

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

150 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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E-bmw said:
275 is possible (just) but you will need serious head work complete with BVH & cam replacement along with the injectors & intercooler that you mention.
And probably ARP bolts and a raised rev limit.

It's what I'm aiming for eventually, currently at approx. 250 at the flywheel.

E-bmw

9,219 posts

152 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Idiot88 said:
The Cam is on the cards later on - BVH?
Big
Valve
Head

Idiot88

Original Poster:

38 posts

80 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Thanks - I did wonder if you meant cylinder head work. The route I had planned/started;

Exhaust (one ball mod) - still funny
17% pulley
Updated OE bypass valve
Colder plugs
Air intake
Intercooler
Injectors
Cam
Exhaust
Water Methanol injection

R53rider

183 posts

88 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Are you aiming for a fast road or out and out track car?
As E-bmw says, getting to 275bhp is a stretch, lot of work, deep pockets required. With the fierce cam, ported and flowed head, sports manifold, probably de-cat, 550 injectors, serious map it will be quite lumpy for general road use and extremely loud. You’d need a JCW cat back IMO to keep it vaguely civilised noise-wise and out of ASBO territory.
The temp gauge is only a rough indication of temp. I have an Ultragauge and have the engine temp displayed. When my car gets to about 65°C the standard gauge is already reading on the middle marker. And when the car gets hot in crawling traffic and climbs to 110°C, it hasn’t moved. So I estimate it is only accurate to about +/-25°C.
Unless you are really banging it (i.e. tracking) you should be OK with the standard intercooler and a 17% pulley. If the inlet temp gets too high it won’t blow your engine up. It will just start ‘clipping’ – that is the ECU will reduce power until the inlet temp comes down.
Do you know about the Hidden Codes’? You can watch the actual engine temp as opposed to the rough approximation the gauge gives you by doing this:
[b]Display Actual Coolant Temp[b]
1. With the key in the ignition, but in the off position, press and hold down the odometer reset button with one hand.
2. While holding the button down, switch the key in the ignition to position 1 (first click) with the other hand. The screen will have a number and the word “TEST”.
3. Scroll through the numbers by pressing the odometer rest button, through to 19 and wait a moment. (Note: the number order is: 1, 2, 10, 19)
4. The message will say 19 "L i-off", flash to "L i-on", and back to "L i-off" again. When "log i-off" appears, press the odometer rest button again.
5. You are now in the system.
6. Scroll through to 7.0 Actual coolant temp.
7. Start the engine and actual temp is displayed and you will see the temp fluctuation as the thermostat opens and closes.


Edited by R53rider on Tuesday 30th October 13:52

Idiot88

Original Poster:

38 posts

80 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Thank you for the response I will look at the gauge later on. I wanted to go for a fast road setup - track days are potentially on the cards but not in a serious capacity. The cars usage is daily driver currently but will become a 2nd car/toy in the new year.

  • the water methanol is what I had been looking at to prevent the “clipping” of the Ecu and keeping the engine safe. The side benefit was a small bump in power but not mapped so it has to be run all the time.

R53rider

183 posts

88 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Often a focus on power. What do you have in mind in respect of handling and stopping? I've spent much more on that than on power. If you sort that you can use all of the power you have, all the time. Hint: "XYZ is going to out-brake him into this corner - yes, there he goes, done."

R53rider

183 posts

88 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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And if you are not on it already may I suggest you get yourself onto the R53 Owners Club on Facebook. Currently 3,800 members and rising. All with R53s. So quite focused! It is not the normal FB free for all. It has 20 admins/moderators. Any untoward posting/comments and you are off.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/154538898666141/

Idiot88

Original Poster:

38 posts

80 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Tried the test mode on the gauge cluster. All worked fine car reached 85oC really quickly and then did touch 91oC. Once the heater was on and in steady traffic dropped to 87oC but still didn’t blow hot.

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

150 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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I'd be looking at the heater matrix to see if that is actually getting hot. It's right by your feet and you should be easily able to remove the trim around it and feel the pipework. Be careful as the pipework can get VERY hot.

Replacement is easy enough, but fiddly and annoying.

R53rider

183 posts

88 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Idiot88 said:
Tried the test mode on the gauge cluster. All worked fine car reached 85oC really quickly and then did touch 91oC. Once the heater was on and in steady traffic dropped to 87oC but still didn’t blow hot.
Engine temp looks all good then. Maybe running a little cool compared to some, certainly mine. The heater matrix probably clogged up with crud. It happens. Or the flap that diverts between cold incoming and hot through matrix isn't working.