The Triathlon thread - Ironman, 70.3, Olympic, Sprint

The Triathlon thread - Ironman, 70.3, Olympic, Sprint

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Scabutz

7,600 posts

80 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I wasn't sure where to post this but decided this may be a good place....it's regarding having multiple Garmin devices....so for those who don't....skip this biggrin

I do a lot of cycling and I used to run to a fairly decent level (sub 35min 10k for example) but due to health reasons I was forced to stop...and became a cyclist. I have been doing a few runs the last week or 2 and I'm really enjoying it, so I'm looking to see if I can run 3x/week and ride 3-4x/week (currently riding 6x/week).

I have a Garmin Edge 1030 for riding and a forerunner 935 which I just bought for running. Now, the 935 logs HR data 24/7 to get your "intensity minutes", stress levels etc etc. If I take the watch off for my ride and use my Edge 1030 for the ride, when my ride gets synced to Garmin Connect, will that activity data get transferred to my 935 (including EPOC/recovery values, HR data, intensity minutes etc) or should I wear the 935 all the time. I want the data, but don't really want to wear the watch when cycling. Likewise, if I wear the watch and record it as an activity on that as well as my Garmin....would the numbers get doubled up!?

One more irrelevant question....my resting HR.....Garmin says my resting HR is 37bpm, yet it showed the overnight low at 35bpm? Any reason why it's 37 and not 35?

Thanks very much in advance.
If you go to device settings on your 935 in Garmin Connect there should be an option called Physio TrueUp. This will sync the data recorded on other devices to the watch and update the other fields.

Re resting HR I dont know for certain but I have noticed mine also might show a low but a higher resting HR. I suspect the RHR has to be recorded for a set period of time and the absolute low is just the lowest value recorded at all

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,068 posts

212 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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Scabutz said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I wasn't sure where to post this but decided this may be a good place....it's regarding having multiple Garmin devices....so for those who don't....skip this biggrin

I do a lot of cycling and I used to run to a fairly decent level (sub 35min 10k for example) but due to health reasons I was forced to stop...and became a cyclist. I have been doing a few runs the last week or 2 and I'm really enjoying it, so I'm looking to see if I can run 3x/week and ride 3-4x/week (currently riding 6x/week).

I have a Garmin Edge 1030 for riding and a forerunner 935 which I just bought for running. Now, the 935 logs HR data 24/7 to get your "intensity minutes", stress levels etc etc. If I take the watch off for my ride and use my Edge 1030 for the ride, when my ride gets synced to Garmin Connect, will that activity data get transferred to my 935 (including EPOC/recovery values, HR data, intensity minutes etc) or should I wear the 935 all the time. I want the data, but don't really want to wear the watch when cycling. Likewise, if I wear the watch and record it as an activity on that as well as my Garmin....would the numbers get doubled up!?

One more irrelevant question....my resting HR.....Garmin says my resting HR is 37bpm, yet it showed the overnight low at 35bpm? Any reason why it's 37 and not 35?

Thanks very much in advance.
If you go to device settings on your 935 in Garmin Connect there should be an option called Physio TrueUp. This will sync the data recorded on other devices to the watch and update the other fields.

Re resting HR I dont know for certain but I have noticed mine also might show a low but a higher resting HR. I suspect the RHR has to be recorded for a set period of time and the absolute low is just the lowest value recorded at all
Perfect thanks!

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Thursday 1st October 2020
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One and only tri this year completed for me on Sunday. outlaw x 70.3.

Decent days work.

Swim was cut short 750m instead of 1.2 miles cos the water was bloody freezing. Think I did a bit extra due to my inability to swim straight. Water was 11 degrees apparently, personally I think it was maybe 13 or 14 but having to jump straight off a pontoon with no acclimatisation was a bit of a shock to the system.

Transition 1 involved about a half mile run up from the swim. When I got there my feet were literally blue and I wasted about 3 minutes trying to get my gloves on my freezing hands before I gave up.

Bike was long at about 57.7 miles instead of 56. My 56 mile time was 3:08 which I was really happy with given the wind was brutal and dangerous in some places.

Transition 2 I was taken over by the spirit of a race horse and spent about 2 minutes pissing

Run. Half marathon. Quite a tough course, fairly hilly with quite a bit off road. Went off too fast as usual, decided to try to hang on til 10 miles then walk for a bit. Kept hanging on though and finished with my fastest 70.3 run ever at 1hr 45 minsTo be honest would have been fairly happy with it as a stand alone half.

Pleased with how it went even though covid rules, the wind and cold spoilt it a bit. finished in 5 hrs 28

Even beat the wife by 6 minutes which is a rare event.

dangerousB

Original Poster:

1,697 posts

190 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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ED209 said:
Water was 11 degrees apparently,
yikes

ED209 said:
Pleased with how it went even though covid rules, the wind and cold spoilt it a bit. finished in 5 hrs 28
Solid effort that - especially the run! What were the Covid rules?

joshcowin

6,801 posts

176 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Great effort at Outlaw!! I didn't realise it was on otherwise I would have entered.


S1KRR

12,548 posts

212 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Ironman Triathlon (WTC)

Still not getting it! rolleyes

"The fiercest women of Kona"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbm422YEWk

Where's Chrissie?!?!?!

bakerstreet

4,763 posts

165 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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ED209 said:
One and only tri this year completed for me on Sunday. outlaw x 70.3.

Decent days work.

Swim was cut short 750m instead of 1.2 miles cos the water was bloody freezing. Think I did a bit extra due to my inability to swim straight. Water was 11 degrees apparently, personally I think it was maybe 13 or 14 but having to jump straight off a pontoon with no acclimatisation was a bit of a shock to the system.

Transition 1 involved about a half mile run up from the swim. When I got there my feet were literally blue and I wasted about 3 minutes trying to get my gloves on my freezing hands before I gave up.

Bike was long at about 57.7 miles instead of 56. My 56 mile time was 3:08 which I was really happy with given the wind was brutal and dangerous in some places.

Transition 2 I was taken over by the spirit of a race horse and spent about 2 minutes pissing

Run. Half marathon. Quite a tough course, fairly hilly with quite a bit off road. Went off too fast as usual, decided to try to hang on til 10 miles then walk for a bit. Kept hanging on though and finished with my fastest 70.3 run ever at 1hr 45 minsTo be honest would have been fairly happy with it as a stand alone half.

Pleased with how it went even though covid rules, the wind and cold spoilt it a bit. finished in 5 hrs 28

Even beat the wife by 6 minutes which is a rare event.
That is a good run time. Congrats. As a swimmer, 11 degrees sounds brutal, but 13 would be ok.

I have just signed up for the Outlaw Holkham 70.3 on the 4th July 2021. I did a few London Olympic Triathlons several years ago and was due to due to the Windsor Olympic in June of this year, but that was of course cancelled. I went for the Holkham Hall event as my mum has a holiday cottage a few miles from the hall, so it makes it quite convenient

I also turn 40 next year and a full ironman has always been an ambition. I had one plan which was jump straight into a full ironman as that way the large training commitment would be a one time deal. However OH, has convinced me to go at it in stages and go for a half first.

My background is cycling and swimming, so it will be the run that will real difficulty.

Expect me to drop in an out of this thread on a frequent basis with some inane chat. I bought the fixed training plan from Outlaw as I thought for £100 I would have something to follo rather than the myriad of info on YouTube/GTN. The challenge will be training it whilst WFH. When I was in the office, it was easier as I was cycling 14 miles each day and using the gym each lunchtime.


graeme4130

3,827 posts

181 months

Wednesday 21st October 2020
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ED209 said:
One and only tri this year completed for me on Sunday. outlaw x 70.3.

Decent days work.

Swim was cut short 750m instead of 1.2 miles cos the water was bloody freezing. Think I did a bit extra due to my inability to swim straight. Water was 11 degrees apparently, personally I think it was maybe 13 or 14 but having to jump straight off a pontoon with no acclimatisation was a bit of a shock to the system.

Transition 1 involved about a half mile run up from the swim. When I got there my feet were literally blue and I wasted about 3 minutes trying to get my gloves on my freezing hands before I gave up.

Bike was long at about 57.7 miles instead of 56. My 56 mile time was 3:08 which I was really happy with given the wind was brutal and dangerous in some places.

Transition 2 I was taken over by the spirit of a race horse and spent about 2 minutes pissing

Run. Half marathon. Quite a tough course, fairly hilly with quite a bit off road. Went off too fast as usual, decided to try to hang on til 10 miles then walk for a bit. Kept hanging on though and finished with my fastest 70.3 run ever at 1hr 45 minsTo be honest would have been fairly happy with it as a stand alone half.

Pleased with how it went even though covid rules, the wind and cold spoilt it a bit. finished in 5 hrs 28

Even beat the wife by 6 minutes which is a rare event.
They had some pretty bad weather for that, and I feel for Ian and the guys at Outlaw as that was their only event of 2020.
I was supposed to be up there, but life got in the way so I didn't get a chance to pop along and see how it went, but well done for getting it done on such a cold day
I heard the wind was brutal on the bike course too, which is exactly what you don't need after such a cold swim

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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bakerstreet said:
That is a good run time. Congrats. As a swimmer, 11 degrees sounds brutal, but 13 would be ok.

I have just signed up for the Outlaw Holkham 70.3 on the 4th July 2021. I did a few London Olympic Triathlons several years ago and was due to due to the Windsor Olympic in June of this year, but that was of course cancelled. I went for the Holkham Hall event as my mum has a holiday cottage a few miles from the hall, so it makes it quite convenient

I also turn 40 next year and a full ironman has always been an ambition. I had one plan which was jump straight into a full ironman as that way the large training commitment would be a one time deal. However OH, has convinced me to go at it in stages and go for a half first.

My background is cycling and swimming, so it will be the run that will real difficulty.

Expect me to drop in an out of this thread on a frequent basis with some inane chat. I bought the fixed training plan from Outlaw as I thought for £100 I would have something to follo rather than the myriad of info on YouTube/GTN. The challenge will be training it whilst WFH. When I was in the office, it was easier as I was cycling 14 miles each day and using the gym each lunchtime.
Get a full distance entered for your 40th. I did one on my actual 40th birthday. Suppose it stopped me drinking to much.

joshcowin

6,801 posts

176 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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So currently trying to put together a decent plan for a 70.3 next year.

I am pretty open minded at present I do the following:


Bike Run
Monday - GCN Dan L First Flash of fast (1:30)
Tuesday - FTP Development (zwift tri 19) 1hr Run 40 mins easy
Wednesday - TT on zwift @6am Run 30mins easy
Thursday - Run Intervals 40mins
Friday - Watopia big loop 2.5hrs
Sat - Run Fartlek 45 mins 3 hills at 90%
Sun - Bonus ride, outside if possible Run 80mins, 40 easy 40 HM pace

Basically I have 2hrs most mornings (wake up at 5 to get it in) and occasionally a spare sat/sun afternoon.
Pools are closed but I usually just slot that in where I can, usually 2 sessions a week (to gain 5 minutes on the swim isn't worth the time commitment for me).

Does anyone have any tips or pointers, is there anything I am missing, I aware it would be ideal to add long sessions as a base phase but I just don't have the time available to do a 3,4,5 hour session.


Edited by joshcowin on Wednesday 18th November 12:08


Edited by joshcowin on Wednesday 18th November 12:09

Scabutz

7,600 posts

80 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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To many hard sessions, for 70.3 you need more Z1/2 work. All your bike sessions sound tough, as do the runs. Appreciate the time factor but you dont need 5 hour bike rides for half IM. Some good solid 2-3 z1,2 rides will do you good. Drop one of the more intense sessions for that. Same with running.

You also want to add some periodisation in. Now, in off season, focus on strength. Hill reps, low cadence high gear work etc.

joshcowin

6,801 posts

176 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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Scabutz said:
To many hard sessions, for 70.3 you need more Z1/2 work. All your bike sessions sound tough, as do the runs. Appreciate the time factor but you dont need 5 hour bike rides for half IM. Some good solid 2-3 z1,2 rides will do you good. Drop one of the more intense sessions for that. Same with running.

You also want to add some periodisation in. Now, in off season, focus on strength. Hill reps, low cadence high gear work etc.
Thanks for the info! I always pick a hilly course on zwift get some decent hill work in there, where I live is fairly hilly so no choice but to do hills whilst I run.

I could do a long ride on a Monday morning after my Sunday long run and possibly add a long run Wednesday/Thursday.

I enjoy the hard bike efforts and want to increase my FTP so think I should still have 2 training rides a week

Randy Winkman

16,127 posts

189 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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I'm by no means claiming to be an expert but I did do Ironman and half-Ironman ............... in 1996. hehe

Anyway, I never cycled and run on the same day apart from 2 or 3 sessions at the start of a "season". i.e. Around May. Then I did proper bike/run "bricks" (Do people still say that?)

Doing it as part of an ongoing training plan looks tough to me.

joshcowin

6,801 posts

176 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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Randy Winkman said:
I'm by no means claiming to be an expert but I did do Ironman and half-Ironman ............... in 1996. hehe

Anyway, I never cycled and run on the same day apart from 2 or 3 sessions at the start of a "season". i.e. Around May. Then I did proper bike/run "bricks" (Do people still say that?)

Doing it as part of an ongoing training plan looks tough to me.
Nice one, I would imagine the tech choices now available now make training for and competing in an ironman easier than it was in 96!!

Yes still a brick run, I actually run really well off the bike and feel like its a reason I don't pick up injuries or niggles!? I find it taxing after but during the workout its not an issue!

esuuv

1,320 posts

205 months

Sunday 21st March 2021
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Now that we're maybe headed back to some sort of normality thought I'd dig this thread out for a bit of training inspiration.

What events do people have? how's the training / motivation going?

I have outlaw half in June and Ironman Barcelona in October (fingers crossed) - I did have Lanzarote in July but I deferred to next year as I figured there was still too much uncertainty around travel for this year.

Plan is for sub 5 at Outlaw and Sub 10 in Barcelona - the last 12 months of lockdown has meant a lot of Zwift - so am confident of some speed there, running - needs work, slowly getting back into it. I have been rowing instead of swim training - I'm pretty confident in my swim anyway so no major issues there.


Randy Winkman

16,127 posts

189 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Anyone watch the Leeds Triathlon yesterday? Alex Yee looks totally brilliant and has to go to the Olympics. A natural runner which is what top level triathlon seems to be all about now.

The Alistair Brownlee thing looked deliberate to me. A shame. frown

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Randy Winkman said:
Anyone watch the Leeds Triathlon yesterday? Alex Yee looks totally brilliant and has to go to the Olympics. A natural runner which is what top level triathlon seems to be all about now.

The Alistair Brownlee thing looked deliberate to me. A shame. frown
Looked very deliberate. I was amazed when the commentator tried to say it wasn’t.

Randy Winkman

16,127 posts

189 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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ED209 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Anyone watch the Leeds Triathlon yesterday? Alex Yee looks totally brilliant and has to go to the Olympics. A natural runner which is what top level triathlon seems to be all about now.

The Alistair Brownlee thing looked deliberate to me. A shame. frown
Looked very deliberate. I was amazed when the commentator tried to say it wasn’t.
The commentary was a bit odd.

Anyway, I really hope the Olympics happens. I need it for bit of mental respite.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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bakerstreet said:
I also turn 40 next year and a full ironman has always been an ambition. I had one plan which was jump straight into a full ironman as that way the large training commitment would be a one time deal. However OH, has convinced me to go at it in stages and go for a half first.
I went straight for full, the longest I’d done was Olympic distance previously. Finished in under 12 hours following a training plan based on how many hours I could commit.

It’s a big commitment doing all the training and it’s going to be much the same either way. I’d strongly recommend going straight for full myself.

Doing all that training and then thinking you’re only a half ironman seems a waste of time to me.

People you know - “Hey baker street I hear you did an ironman, that’s awesome! !” (Girls swoon and blokes look at you with respect etc)

You - yeah it was tough, I might do a full one next year.

When you finish you want to cross the line knowing you’re an ironman (for ever) not a half ironman. That’s like being half awesome. hehe

When you do it, it’s going to likely be the biggest endurance event you do, don’t go for half measures.

ETA just saw this was from last year.

Presumably everything got put on hold? I read a lot about some controversy with race fees and cancellations from ironman over the last few months.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 9th June 09:39

Sebo

2,167 posts

226 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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El stovey said:
I went straight for full, the longest I’d done was Olympic distance previously. Finished in under 12 hours following a training plan based on how many hours I could commit.

It’s a big commitment doing all the training and it’s going to be much the same either way. I’d strongly recommend going straight for full myself.

Doing all that training and then thinking you’re only a half ironman seems a waste of time to me.

People you know - “Hey baker street I hear you did an ironman, that’s awesome! !” (Girls swoon and blokes look at you with respect etc)

You - yeah it was tough, I might do a full one next year.

When you finish you want to cross the line knowing you’re an ironman (for ever) not a half ironman. That’s like being half awesome. hehe

When you do it, it’s going to likely be the biggest endurance event you do, don’t go for half measures.

ETA just saw this was from last year.

Presumably everything got put on hold? I read a lot about some controversy with race fees and cancellations from ironman over the last few months.

Edited by El stovey on Wednesday 9th June 09:39
Surely by that logic you should have done an Enduroman - Arch to Arc ?