The Triathlon thread - Ironman, 70.3, Olympic, Sprint
Discussion
Sebo said:
Surely by that logic you should have done an Enduroman - Arch to Arc ?
Not for me, as that’s not an ironman it’s something else entirely. Same with doing a marathon vs half marathon etc
If I was interested in doing an enduroman I’d do that rather than try a half one though (if that was possible)
El stovey said:
Sebo said:
Surely by that logic you should have done an Enduroman - Arch to Arc ?
Not for me, as that’s not an ironman it’s something else entirely. Same with doing a marathon vs half marathon etc
If I was interested in doing an enduroman I’d do that rather than try a half one though (if that was possible)
I can appreciate I may be coming across as a bell-end but the reason I ask, was because how you describe your thought process was exactly mine!
I'd say most people would be better doing a half, relatively you could probably do a more impressive time given most people do not have the time to train properly for 3 sports. What's the point in doing an Ironman in a s
t time because you have 10 hours a week to train when you could actually do a decent half?
Given most people are capable of riding a century/running a marathon surely the impressive bit is doing it all quickly vs doing it at all?
t time because you have 10 hours a week to train when you could actually do a decent half? Given most people are capable of riding a century/running a marathon surely the impressive bit is doing it all quickly vs doing it at all?
I started with a half. You mustn't underestimate quite how hard and much you have to train for a full.
When I trained for a full I peaked at 20 hours training. But on top of a full time job I had 0 time and energy for anything else. Your wife and kids will start to resent you. No matter how much they were behind your dream.
Can you even swim? I don't mean if you fill in will.you die, but can you put some lengths together in a pool at a reasonable pace and not get knackered? Because you're going to have to cover 3.8km in under 2 hours.
Not trying to put you off if full is your dream then go for it. But be realistic about how much time you have and how much you need to improve in each area.
When I trained for a full I peaked at 20 hours training. But on top of a full time job I had 0 time and energy for anything else. Your wife and kids will start to resent you. No matter how much they were behind your dream.
Can you even swim? I don't mean if you fill in will.you die, but can you put some lengths together in a pool at a reasonable pace and not get knackered? Because you're going to have to cover 3.8km in under 2 hours.
Not trying to put you off if full is your dream then go for it. But be realistic about how much time you have and how much you need to improve in each area.
I went from doing Olympic distance to doing half-ironman and then full ironman a month apart. But I did spend 2 years doing training that was specifically aimed at full ironman. So when it came to the race I knew I had prepared well.
To be honest, someone could do Ironman as their first race if they had prepared properly. Though it would take some careful planning with regards kit/transitions/food etc.
To be honest, someone could do Ironman as their first race if they had prepared properly. Though it would take some careful planning with regards kit/transitions/food etc.
okgo said:
I'd say most people would be better doing a half, relatively you could probably do a more impressive time given most people do not have the time to train properly for 3 sports. What's the point in doing an Ironman in a st time because you have 10 hours a week to train when you could actually do a decent half?
Given most people are capable of riding a century/running a marathon surely the impressive bit is doing it all quickly vs doing it at all?
Maybe because even completing 140.6 in any time is a huge achievement beyond the comprehension of 99% of the population?t time because you have 10 hours a week to train when you could actually do a decent half? Given most people are capable of riding a century/running a marathon surely the impressive bit is doing it all quickly vs doing it at all?
What’s your idea of a “s
t” time?Scabutz said:
I started with a half. You mustn't underestimate quite how hard and much you have to train for a full.
When I trained for a full I peaked at 20 hours training. But on top of a full time job I had 0 time and energy for anything else. Your wife and kids will start to resent you. No matter how much they were behind your dream.
Can you even swim? I don't mean if you fill in will.you die, but can you put some lengths together in a pool at a reasonable pace and not get knackered? Because you're going to have to cover 3.8km in under 2 hours.
Not trying to put you off if full is your dream then go for it. But be realistic about how much time you have and how much you need to improve in each area.
Getting your wife to do the same event is a good way of stopping the resentment. That’s what we did.When I trained for a full I peaked at 20 hours training. But on top of a full time job I had 0 time and energy for anything else. Your wife and kids will start to resent you. No matter how much they were behind your dream.
Can you even swim? I don't mean if you fill in will.you die, but can you put some lengths together in a pool at a reasonable pace and not get knackered? Because you're going to have to cover 3.8km in under 2 hours.
Not trying to put you off if full is your dream then go for it. But be realistic about how much time you have and how much you need to improve in each area.
I have spent the last few months doing rather a lot of childcare while she trains for a full in 10 days time though. I don’t resent it though.
No need to train for 20 hrs either, peaking around 15-16 hours will do fine.
ED209 said:
okgo said:
I'd say most people would be better doing a half, relatively you could probably do a more impressive time given most people do not have the time to train properly for 3 sports. What's the point in doing an Ironman in a st time because you have 10 hours a week to train when you could actually do a decent half?
Given most people are capable of riding a century/running a marathon surely the impressive bit is doing it all quickly vs doing it at all?
Maybe because even completing 140.6 in any time is a huge achievement beyond the comprehension of 99% of the population?t time because you have 10 hours a week to train when you could actually do a decent half? Given most people are capable of riding a century/running a marathon surely the impressive bit is doing it all quickly vs doing it at all?
An IM race is very different. Putting those three together makes it a totally different proposition training wise and when deciding to participate in one, you really have to decide whether you want to compete or complete.
There's no such thing as a s
t finishing time. I genuinely respect everyone out there, whatever their motivation.Edited by dangerousB on Thursday 10th June 22:53
ED209 said:
Maybe because even completing 140.6 in any time is a huge achievement beyond the comprehension of 99% of the population?
What’s your idea of a “st” time?
No idea, not looked into it. Clearly there's a point in which you need talent (Kona qaul) and at some point before that you just need to spend a long time training and making sure mentally you don't crack. Thousands can do it, so its not out of reach of 99% people if they actually wanted to do it (most have zero interest of course). My point was that most people won't ever get near their potential on the hours required to train for full distance, ergo they'll get round, but some folk could pull out a far better performance in a half.What’s your idea of a “s
t” time?Probably loads of people out there with the genetics to run a super quick marathon but they don't have the hours to put the training in, those people could still run an amazing 10k or a half and it's not any 'less' impressive than a marathon. I personally think this obsession with distance is a bit weird, do all amazing 1500m runners run amazing marathons and vice versa? Or do they do what their genetics are best suited to?
ED209 said:
The wife did brilliant at the Lakesman on Sunday. Finished in 11hrs 23 mins as 5th place female. Almost 1hr 40mins than in 2017 when we both did it.
Thats brilliant, I finished 30 minutes after her. I really struggled with the heat, but it was an awesome event. Some brilliant support on the bike leg and amazing crowds on the run around Keswick. My first full distance, I'll definitely be doing more. Just a heads up on a new event in August called the Collins Cup. Its the Triathlon equivalent of the Ryder Cup, but with an extra team so US versus EU versus International.
https://thecollinscup.protriathletes.org/
Great documentary available to watch too, "Beyond Human"
https://thecollinscup.protriathletes.org/watch/
https://thecollinscup.protriathletes.org/
Great documentary available to watch too, "Beyond Human"
https://thecollinscup.protriathletes.org/watch/
Edited by redback911 on Monday 12th July 18:20
I dipped my toe into the world of triathlon at the weekend, and did the sprint at Henley. I can see why folk get into it this as it's definitely a different sort of challenge. I think i'll sign up to an olympic next time and I definitely need to sort my swimming as my time was woeful.
ukbabz said:
I dipped my toe into the world of triathlon at the weekend, and did the sprint at Henley. I can see why folk get into it this as it's definitely a different sort of challenge. I think i'll sign up to an olympic next time and I definitely need to sort my swimming as my time was woeful.
Very well done.As a quite experienced triathlete (albeit from the old-days) my advice on swimming is different from some other people's. Some say that it only makes up a small part of the race so being good at swimming isn't a bit deal. I reckon that if you learn to swim well i) It turns the race into one where you start with a technical challenge that gives you a nice warm-up and then only have 2 physical challenges that are hard-work ii) In races with open-water swims (which it looks like you intend to do) you can start the race full of confidence and with choice about where you position yourself and pace yourself in the water. There are lots of somewhat anxious people at the start-line and it's best not to be one of them.
Good luck.
Randy Winkman said:
Very well done.
As a quite experienced triathlete (albeit from the old-days) my advice on swimming is different from some other people's. Some say that it only makes up a small part of the race so being good at swimming isn't a bit deal. I reckon that if you learn to swim well i) It turns the race into one where you start with a technical challenge that gives you a nice warm-up and then only have 2 physical challenges that are hard-work ii) In races with open-water swims (which it looks like you intend to do) you can start the race full of confidence and with choice about where you position yourself and pace yourself in the water. There are lots of somewhat anxious people at the start-line and it's best not to be one of them.
Good luck.
Cheers, It's definitely the swim that makes me nervous! The bike is very much relaxing in comparison! Looking at the overall times I was nearly 11mins to do 400m - so lots of space to improve, vs 46.32mins for the bike (26.2k) and 23min for 5k run. The only times above on the bike were on TT bikes with aero helmets looking at the event pics. Total time of 1hr23m40s wasn't too bad for first attempt and put me in 10th overall. An average swim would have seen me 4th or 5th.As a quite experienced triathlete (albeit from the old-days) my advice on swimming is different from some other people's. Some say that it only makes up a small part of the race so being good at swimming isn't a bit deal. I reckon that if you learn to swim well i) It turns the race into one where you start with a technical challenge that gives you a nice warm-up and then only have 2 physical challenges that are hard-work ii) In races with open-water swims (which it looks like you intend to do) you can start the race full of confidence and with choice about where you position yourself and pace yourself in the water. There are lots of somewhat anxious people at the start-line and it's best not to be one of them.
Good luck.
Not that I'm competitive at all..
Looks like the wife has qualified for the GB age group team with her performance at the Northumberland Standard distance at the weekend. She came second in her age group in what was a qualifier. She should really have won her age group but she had a very poor run by her standards (too soon after Lakesman maybe?) and got beat by 15 seconds. Her run was at least a minute slower than I really expected.
She beat me again though by 27 whole seconds, she caught me entering transition after the bike and had a faster transition than me. I passed her on the run and made up a good bit time on her but as she had started after me on the rolling start she still beat me.
I was please with my bike as averaged just over 20 mph but it would and should have been better if my stem hadn’t worked itself loose during the race. I nursed my bike home with wobbly handlebars for the last 5 miles after deciding to carry on and risk catastrophe rather than stop and tighten my stem. When I checked my bike after the race my bars were about 2 inches off centre!
She beat me again though by 27 whole seconds, she caught me entering transition after the bike and had a faster transition than me. I passed her on the run and made up a good bit time on her but as she had started after me on the rolling start she still beat me.
I was please with my bike as averaged just over 20 mph but it would and should have been better if my stem hadn’t worked itself loose during the race. I nursed my bike home with wobbly handlebars for the last 5 miles after deciding to carry on and risk catastrophe rather than stop and tighten my stem. When I checked my bike after the race my bars were about 2 inches off centre!
Big lime sprint in Hartlepool two weeks ago, got beaten by the wife again by 13 seconds this time. 13 sodding seconds.
She won her age group again whilst I came nowhere. I would have beat her if my timing chip had not fell off in transition 1 and had to find and attach it again.
I was over the moon with my run though. My 5k was about 21.30 which is the fastest I have done for years, even on stand alone runs.
She has received confirmation that she has qualified to represent GB though so looks like an expensive trip to Abu Dhabi next November.
Standard duathlon for us next weekend. Roll on another defeat for me.
She won her age group again whilst I came nowhere. I would have beat her if my timing chip had not fell off in transition 1 and had to find and attach it again.
I was over the moon with my run though. My 5k was about 21.30 which is the fastest I have done for years, even on stand alone runs.
She has received confirmation that she has qualified to represent GB though so looks like an expensive trip to Abu Dhabi next November.
Standard duathlon for us next weekend. Roll on another defeat for me.
Evening all...
I've got the Sandman in Anglesey (standard distance, but with a 60km bike leg) on Sunday. It's my first sea swim, something I've kind of always feared. I've done plenty of lake/river swims but never the sea.
Anyone done this event before? Or got any tips for beach starts and sea swims?
I'm not the greatest swimmer so my approach at the moment will be to just take it very steady until I get out into some calmer water.
Cheers
I've got the Sandman in Anglesey (standard distance, but with a 60km bike leg) on Sunday. It's my first sea swim, something I've kind of always feared. I've done plenty of lake/river swims but never the sea.
Anyone done this event before? Or got any tips for beach starts and sea swims?
I'm not the greatest swimmer so my approach at the moment will be to just take it very steady until I get out into some calmer water.
Cheers
Sarkmeister said:
Evening all...
I've got the Sandman in Anglesey (standard distance, but with a 60km bike leg) on Sunday. It's my first sea swim, something I've kind of always feared. I've done plenty of lake/river swims but never the sea.
Anyone done this event before? Or got any tips for beach starts and sea swims?
I'm not the greatest swimmer so my approach at the moment will be to just take it very steady until I get out into some calmer water.
Cheers
Take your time and don't rush out with the crowd. If it's choppy try to time your sighting when you are at the top of the wave, otherwise you'll just get a view of some water. If the swim is parallel to the shore then breathe towards the shore. Otherwise you'll turn to breathe and get a mouthful of sea water. I've got the Sandman in Anglesey (standard distance, but with a 60km bike leg) on Sunday. It's my first sea swim, something I've kind of always feared. I've done plenty of lake/river swims but never the sea.
Anyone done this event before? Or got any tips for beach starts and sea swims?
I'm not the greatest swimmer so my approach at the moment will be to just take it very steady until I get out into some calmer water.
Cheers
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