The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[creampuff]

aeropilot said:

red_slr said:

Some discussion on another forum about upcoming changes to firearms laws, this was brought up after a FOI request apparently.

Seems there is a plan to (attempt to) move Section 2 onto Section 1 and do away with the SGC. That would make all grants "may" rather than "shall" for SGC.

Also there is a desire to make background checks extend to spouse and possibly other residents of the holders property.

Also mention of making all semi automatic Section 5 so that would basically ban .22 LBP and .22 semi rifle.

Yes, ACPO recommendations from 2015.
You forgot to mention centre-fire LBR as well as .22LBP.

All part of the nibbling away at all the bits until there's nothing left to nibble away at. It might well take a good few years yet for the above to happen (if it does).

All because its easier to target law abiding citizens than the scrotes who don't give a f***.

Indeed. I suspect this is one of the reasons why further restrictions on firearm ownership in the US fail. They don't enjoy popular support in a country of high firearms ownership, because the UK or Australian experience has shown that it really is the start of a slippery slope. But that is another topic.

Checks already extend to the spouse at least to some extent - if you have known associates who are crooks but you yourself are clean, then you still won't be getting a FAC.

[200Plus Club]

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[Druid]

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Not bad prices then for sporting days.

[chemistry]

Having put a hygrometer in my safe I was surprised to find out just how damp it was! Typically around 65% relative humidity!

I’ve now fitted a 28w tubular heater and (three days in) it looks like that has had the desired effect; humidity now fairly consistently in the 50% to 55% range.

Before:



...heater installed...





...after:



Sorted!

[urquattroGus]

I think storing guns in a traditional case (in knocked down form) helps to reduce the effects of any humidity, in my experience at least.

[red_slr]

Update on the new legislation.

ALL firearms over 10.000 ft/lb to be section 5.
ALL "rapid fire" centre fire firearms to be section 5.

MARS was "only an example". Lever release is likely to be in the pot.
Lever action must now surely come onto their radar too?

The Home Office have said anyone wishing to object needs to get an MP to represent them as when the act goes to parliament its not likely to get any objection, which in my eyes suggests this is already a done deal.

It has been suggested that the muzzle energy has little to do with ballistic effects but it seems they don't even understand and have just gone with a finger in the air approach.

There has been no public input into these new rules and they have originated from the police only. There is no suggestion that any S.1 holder is the issue here and its purely down to "what if" terrorists get their hands on the above. Given that's never happened and probably never will its pretty crazy they are looking at taking thousands of firearms off the hands of normal people because of a possibility something might one day happen.

They have made clarification that .22LR will not be in the changes.

[Pesty]

fk sake not my underlevers I love them

What about my .357 lbp you can fire that fast. Section 1 shotguns?


What's a terrorist going to do with my 45-70 where is he going to get cartridges for that? I make them the day before I shoot.

We are ran by retards

Edited by Pesty on Friday 10th November 13:57

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

fk sake not my underlevers I love them

What about my .357 lbp you can fire that fast. Section 1 shotguns?


What's a terrorist going to do with my 45-70 where is he going to get cartridges for that? I make them the day before I shoot.

We are ran by retards

Edited by Pesty on Friday 10th November 13:57

Lever release is being considered but not underlevers at the moment.

Although the definition of what they want to ban is getting wider all the time if what's been reported is true and the fact is underlevers can be shot just as fast, if not faster, than a lever release or MARS, which just goes to show how stupid the whole thing is.

Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Friday 10th November 14:11

[Pesty]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Lever release, not underlevers.

Although the definition of what they want to ban is getting wider all the time if what's been reported is true and the fact is underlevers can be shot just as fast, if not faster, than a lever release or MARS, which just goes to show how stupid the whole thing is.

I was thinking of getting a MARS VZ too the poster I quoted mentioned under lever.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

I was thinking of getting a MARS VZ too the poster I quoted mentioned under lever.

He mentioned them, but the Home Office haven't and I really don't think they will.

This has all come about because of the Police. They don't like the idea that they might be outgunned. I don't think they feel underlevers or carbines in general are particularly dangerous, but they do believe that rifles derived from an AR-15 or AK-47 and large calibres like .50 are.

I doubt any of their beliefs are based on anything other than gut feel, which is why anyone with any knowledge of firearms and ballistics is easily able to pick holes in their assumptions.

[red_slr]

I only mention underlever because it's rapid fire but who knows. The scope is defiantly creeping by the week.

[FurtiveFreddy]

The Home Office Impact Assessment (IA) document only talks about .50 cal and MARS rifles.

The information about including lever release rifles and anything over 10,000 ft/lbs has come from an email sent by the chairman of the Fifty Calibre Shooters Association to its members, which gave details of a meeting he had with the Home Office earlier this week.

If the views expressed in that meeting are official, then they have very clearly contradicted the contents of the IA, which means that the responses they get back from it are meaningless and the financial impact is grossly under-estimated.

So either they will have to change the IA and re-issue it, along with an updated consultation questions or someone in the HO is talking nonsense.

[Pesty]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Pesty said:

I was thinking of getting a MARS VZ too the poster I quoted mentioned under lever.

He mentioned them, but the Home Office haven't and I really don't think they will.

This has all come about because of the Police. They don't like the idea that they might be outgunned. I don't think they feel underlevers or carbines in general are particularly dangerous, but they do believe that rifles derived from an AR-15 or AK-47 and large calibres like .50 are.

I doubt any of their beliefs are based on anything other than gut feel, which is why anyone with any knowledge of firearms and ballistics is easily able to pick holes in their assumptions.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'd be extremely pisssed if I had to hand in my guide gun.

[creampuff]

I read somewhere, this thread maybe, that a .50 was stolen from a dealer. Is that the case?

I am surprised that there aren't a factor of 10 or more illegal guns in the UK. The UK border is quite porus for humans, but illegal firearms imports do seem to be well controlled.

The only redeeming feature of this 50 BMG ban is that .338 lapuas will still be Section 1.

[FurtiveFreddy]

creampuff said:

I read somewhere, this thread maybe, that a .50 was stolen from a dealer. Is that the case?

That's what was said.

[Pesty]

Made up 100 rounds last night as usual first 5 spot on next 95 all over the shop,

[creampuff]

^ What are you shooting, Pesty?

Is that an aperture rear sight? Can't make it out in the photo. I ask as I have a lever action with a buckhorn rear sight and a group that size would only happen by accident. Infact getting all the bullets on the same sheet of cardboard might only happen by accident.

[Pesty]

creampuff said:

^ What are you shooting, Pesty?

Is that an aperture rear sight? Can't make it out in the photo. I ask as I have a lever action with a buckhorn rear sight and a group that size would only happen by accident. Infact getting all the bullets on the same sheet of cardboard might only happen by accident.

It's a ghost ring style rear sight ( not sure what it's proper name is) , marlin 1875 sbl 45-70 first 5 rounds down range cold bore to the left( down in this orientation) , 3 in same hole and the other next to it. I'd live to say it was 100meters un supported in strong wind but I'd be lying. Only 25 meters supported so not that impressive. I was still chuffed with the three in the same hole though.

As usual after the fist 5 or so groups go to st. Was trying a new load 13grains of powder and 405grain gym hard cast.

I can shoot really well, I just can't shoot really well consistently and I'm getting worse. It's like the more I shoot the less I concentrate.

Sight looks like this. My other lever action looks like I picked them up and threw them at the target.
I really like this rifle.

Edited by Pesty on Saturday 11th November 20:30

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

It's a ghost ring style rear sight ( not sure what it's proper name is) , marlin 1875 sbl 45-70 first 5 rounds down range cold bore to the left( down in this orientation) , 3 in same hole and the other next to it. I'd live to say it was 100meters un supported in strong wind but I'd be lying. Only 25 meters supported so not that impressive. I was still chuffed with the three in the same hole though.

First thing to say is this isn't a target rifle, it's an underlever. There's nothing wrong with that group. Moreover, the group size you or the gun can shoot is relative to the target you're shooting. If you're shooting at target with a 2" bull then a 1" group is fine.

Are you just shooting for groups or are you trying to get it more accurate for a specific match?

It's possible something might be happening after the first few rounds to affect accuracy, but I'd suggest it's unlikely.

Pesty said:

I can shoot really well, I just can't shoot really well consistently and I'm getting worse. It's like the more I shoot the less I concentrate.

So this is probably what you need to be looking at rather than trying different loads in the hope that will make things better.As above, are you practising or load developing for a competition or match or is this just shooting for the sake of it?

You need a goal to work towards, otherwise your concentration is likely to wane and you won't be thinking about the fundamentals i.e. sight picture, trigger control etc. Of course the more you shoot the less you concentrate. That happens to everyone. It's called fatigue!

Shoot less and in smaller bursts with more frequent breaks. If you don't do it already, write down a practise plan and stick to it. Make notes as you go along so you have a record of what you discovered and learned later. This will also help give your brain a rest in between the shooting.

If you want to find out if it really is the gun/ammo or just you, get another decent shooter to put some rounds through it and compare their results with yours.

Last point is that a ghost ring rear sight can be accurate, but they are very eyesight dependent and if you don't get them set up well, they can be inconsistent. You can eliminate the possibility that the sights are influencing the group sizes by putting an optical sight on, even if you only use it for load development (if that's what you're trying to do).

I think at the moment you're not sure if it's the gun, the ammo or you. You need to be confident in your equipment first so you can then work on you.