The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[creampuff]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Halb said:

What's a MARS VZ? (Military Assault Rifle S?)

Do you work for the Home Office by any chance?

Hahahahaha

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On some other topics:

Is it a bad idea to load a gun with a tubular magazine (i.e. cartridges end to end) with FMJ round nose bullets?

I'm starting to dream about a variation on my FAC for a S.1 semi-auto shotgun. Never owned a semi-auto shotgun before. Will they feed and cycle anything, i.e. 2.5, 2.75, 3.0 inch cartridges? Will they cycle any shot weight or do they not like say 21 gram loads?

[red_slr]

Some people will only shoot flat nose lead bullets. Sometimes bullet shape can effect the action feeding into the chamber too though so you have to find the sweet spot. FMJ round nose is another problem all together. Its not advisable to load a full tube of FMJs! Some ammo companies offer specific "safe" rounds for tube fed mags.

[red_slr]

Semi auto shotguns will usually fire and eject anything that's smaller than what it is chambered for so long as there is enough gas coming back to cycle. The feeding should be ok although 2.5 inch shells are not common so you would be shooting 2.75 or 3 or 3.5 inch, from a 3.5 inch chamber for example. My own semi is 3.5 inch but I shoot 3 inch.

HTH.

[FurtiveFreddy]

creampuff said:

I'm starting to dream about a variation on my FAC for a S.1 semi-auto shotgun. Never owned a semi-auto shotgun before. Will they feed and cycle anything, i.e. 2.5, 2.75, 3.0 inch cartridges? Will they cycle any shot weight or do they not like say 21 gram loads?

What are you thinking of getting and what will you use it for?

TBH, for practical shotgun you'll want to use at least 28g loads as birdshot will be used to knock down steel plates generally.

There are two main types of semi-auto shotgun in terms of how they cycle - inertia and gas. Each have their own pros and cons but the type you choose might also have a bearing on what loads to use.

It's also not uncommon for new guns to need a few hundred rounds through them to 'loosen up' a bit, so if you get one and have a few malfunctions to begin with, don't worry about it too much.

[creampuff]

^ The 'good reason' for the variation would be practical shotgun. I'd likely do some regular clay busting with it too. I just wouldn't want something designed for 3.5 inch magnum loads which I won't use and which won't cycle lighter loads.

[aeropilot]

creampuff said:

^ The 'good reason' for the variation would be practical shotgun.

Does your 'current club' run PS events, or have you joined UKPSA/4 Islands etc., as some FEO's want to be shown membership of appropriate club to know that you will be competing in such events to accept such 'good reason'.

[FurtiveFreddy]

creampuff said:

^ The 'good reason' for the variation would be practical shotgun. I'd likely do some regular clay busting with it too. I just wouldn't want something designed for 3.5 inch magnum loads which I won't use and which won't cycle lighter loads.

There aren't any shotguns you might be considering which will work only with 3.5" magnum loads. All the likely candidates will be good for 28g, maybe even 24g birdshot.

A common load used in PSG is the Hull Superfast 7.5 25g 70mm. They seems to work in most guns, inertia or gas driven.

If you come across some distant steel targets or larger plates which need a bit more to knock them down, have some backup 32g No.6 or 5s in your bag.

[Geffg]

What Cabinet is best to store a few rifles? Only just getting into shooting but thinking I’ll probably be looking at having 2/3 rifles probably scoped and maybe couple of shotguns also.
Am I best getting a deep one so can hold scoped rifles, also is it best to get a separate ammo safe or one with a built in ammo safe?

[aeropilot]

Geffg said:

What Cabinet is best to store a few rifles? Only just getting into shooting but thinking I’ll probably be looking at having 2/3 rifles probably scoped and maybe couple of shotguns also.
Am I best getting a deep one so can hold scoped rifles, also is it best to get a separate ammo safe or one with a built in ammo safe?

Get the biggest one you can afford - as whatever you say NOW.........you'll not stop at just 2/3 and a couple of shotty's

You need to have enough ammo storage for whatever the max amount of ammo allowance you have put in for, so if say 1000 rds of .22, and 300-400 of a couple of different full-bore rifle calibres (say .303 and 7.62x51) you might find that the size of the built-in safes are not big enough.

So, yes, buy a deeper safe if you intend having scoped rifles, and I'd buy a seperate pistol/ammo safe for ammo and fit to top of rifle cabinet - which is what I did.

[Geffg]

aeropilot said:

Get the biggest one you can afford - as whatever you say NOW.........you'll not stop at just 2/3 and a couple of shotty's

You need to have enough ammo storage for whatever the max amount of ammo allowance you have put in for, so if say 1000 rds of .22, and 300-400 of a couple of different full-bore rifle calibres (say .303 and 7.62x51) you might find that the size of the built-in safes are not big enough.

So, yes, buy a deeper safe if you intend having scoped rifles, and I'd buy a seperate pistol/ammo safe for ammo and fit to top of rifle cabinet - which is what I did.

Thanks for that. I’ll have a look at separate ones now then.

[Pesty]

Yeah the safe thing.

Go big. Especially if scoped rifles. I’ve upgraded my safe once already this is supposed to hold 12 and it’s a fight to get them out.

[Bill]

Deep is essential. I keep a scoped air rifle in my 5 gun cabinet (because kids...) and getting more than 1 shotgun in as well is tight.

[red_slr]

For ammo consider SC2S from Brattonsound.

You can store loads of ammo, bolts etc. Lots of space and comes with shelves.

As for safe for rifles, go deep and I would say min 8 gun safe just for starters.

[creampuff]

Scoped rifles which also have a pistol grip really eat up the space.

Personally I prefer a safe with an electronic lock. Much easier to open, though perhaps at the expense of less reliability than a key lock compared to electronics several years down the track.

[creampuff]

aeropilot said:

Does your 'current club' run PS events, or have you joined UKPSA/4 Islands etc., as some FEO's want to be shown membership of appropriate club to know that you will be competing in such events to accept such 'good reason'.

I haven't done anything yet. I think Bisley/NRA has a safety course for practical shotgun (one of their bazillion courses for everything) so I'll do that, then put a variation in. But the whole thing is a few months off yet.

[creampuff]

I want to mess with my 357 lever sights and was going to get a laser boresight. They come in two types - cartridge shaped which you chamber like a real round or things you stick on the end of the barrel like this:
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/sigh...

Any ideas?

[AstonZagato]

A neighbour sadly died recently. His widow didn't want his old air rifle - a lever action Webley .22 with iron sights. It is in a dreadful state. I think I'll try to clean it up and see if it works.

Any good causes to which I can donate it?

[FurtiveFreddy]

creampuff said:

I want to mess with my 357 lever sights and was going to get a laser boresight. They come in two types - cartridge shaped which you chamber like a real round or things you stick on the end of the barrel like this:
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/sigh...

Any ideas?

I've got the type you stick in the muzzle end.

Advantages with the one I have are that it comes with different adapters for different calibres and the laser can be bigger and more powerful than the cartridge type so you can see the dot further away in daylight.

A lot of the cartridge ones are cheaply made, non-adjustable and often aren't parallel to the chamber with makes them useless for accurate bore-sighting.

[Jem0911]

I took a trip to Italy with my GF for new stocks
We booked into Essevierre in Gardone Val Trompia
Superb service
Stocks made in a day each

[aeropilot]

Oooh.................they look rather nice, and comfy