The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
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FurtiveFreddy said:
They even make reference in that Govt document to bump-stock FFS.......
which proves that facts are irrelevant when it comes to letting ignorant retards write Govt documents.
FurtiveFreddy said:
If the rumoured firearms amendments are included in this new legislation it means the so-called consultation was a complete sham.
No surprise there.
The proposed bans on certain types of firearms, while undoubtably moronic, pointless, a total waste of consideration, making no difference whatsoever, don't appear to be new though. No surprise there.
The certain 'rapid fire' and 'high power' firearms - is that not the MARS rifles and .50BMG rifles which have been talked about for a long time?
The bump stock ban explores new levels of pointlessness though. What are they expecting? Someone to put a bump stock on their bolt gun? Are they expecting somebody to illegally obtain a centrefire semi-auto rifle, then in addition to illegally possessing a Section 5 firearm, wow we will be able to get them for having a bump stock too?
creampuff said:
The proposed bans on certain types of firearms, while undoubtably moronic, pointless, a total waste of consideration, making no difference whatsoever, don't appear to be new though.
The certain 'rapid fire' and 'high power' firearms - is that not the MARS rifles and .50BMG rifles which have been talked about for a long time?
The bump stock ban explores new levels of pointlessness though. What are they expecting? Someone to put a bump stock on their bolt gun? Are they expecting somebody to illegally obtain a centrefire semi-auto rifle, then in addition to illegally possessing a Section 5 firearm, wow we will be able to get them for having a bump stock too?
The proposals as set out in the consultation document did indeed specify MARS and .50 Cal rifles, but then the HO went on to suggest at various meetings they had with shooting organisations that other types of 'rapid firing' and high power rifles were also being considered, which would affect a much greater number of law-abiding firearms owners and make no difference whatsoever to gun crime statistics. The certain 'rapid fire' and 'high power' firearms - is that not the MARS rifles and .50BMG rifles which have been talked about for a long time?
The bump stock ban explores new levels of pointlessness though. What are they expecting? Someone to put a bump stock on their bolt gun? Are they expecting somebody to illegally obtain a centrefire semi-auto rifle, then in addition to illegally possessing a Section 5 firearm, wow we will be able to get them for having a bump stock too?
We can only wait and see what they actually do as they've published no results of their sham consultation to date.
As for bump stocks, I suppose you could convert your M&P into a .22 'machine gun', but you'd run the risk of being derided by your terrorist pals with their AK-47s.
creampuff said:
red_slr said:
Looks like the govt are rushing the new knife laws in and putting the "rapid fire" rifles in the bill too. Its not getting its own debate to its all or nothing so its clearly going to get voted in.
I just cant see how this can be allowed as a democratic process to include firearms in knife laws.
Do you have any further info/link on this? I had a quick Google and couldn't see firearms mentioned?I just cant see how this can be allowed as a democratic process to include firearms in knife laws.
No mention of MARS.
Pesty said:
How often do legally owned firearms get stolen from cabinets anyway?
More common than you might think. I overheard a job come over our force channel a few weeks ago for a burglary, 3 shotguns taken from the cabinet. Not sure how they got into it though. Whilst not common, it's not that much of a rarity either.
Greendubber said:
Pesty said:
How often do legally owned firearms get stolen from cabinets anyway?
More common than you might think. I overheard a job come over our force channel a few weeks ago for a burglary, 3 shotguns taken from the cabinet. Not sure how they got into it though. Whilst not common, it's not that much of a rarity either.
minghis said:
I have been using a Sako Finnfire .22LR with a mixture of Winchester subs and HV's, basic Bushnell 3-9 x 40, Harris Bipod & scope mounted Clulite rechargeable torch and it has always served me well.
Anyone else getting ready for the bunnies?
BTW, do you want to borrow my MP5 with 25 round mags and Aimpoint sight? I think you may be lacking in firepower in case of multiple irate bunnies Anyone else getting ready for the bunnies?
minghis said:
Greendubber said:
Pesty said:
How often do legally owned firearms get stolen from cabinets anyway?
More common than you might think. I overheard a job come over our force channel a few weeks ago for a burglary, 3 shotguns taken from the cabinet. Not sure how they got into it though. Whilst not common, it's not that much of a rarity either.
red_slr said:
Article in the Independent today saying new laws will be pushed through next week. Went on to list issues with knife crime, acid attacks etc then one line that the govt will "ban rapid fire rifles".
No mention of MARS.
I don't see any new firearms legislation happening in the next couple of weeks. The Serious Violence Strategy has just been published and there's plenty of waffle in it but no announcements on any new legislation due to be passed in the near future.No mention of MARS.
I think it's going to take them a bit more time to understand what 'rapid fire and material destruction rifles' actually are and why moving some specialised target-shooting equipment to Section 5 isn't actually going to help their strategy one little bit.
FurtiveFreddy said:
red_slr said:
Article in the Independent today saying new laws will be pushed through next week. Went on to list issues with knife crime, acid attacks etc then one line that the govt will "ban rapid fire rifles".
No mention of MARS.
I don't see any new firearms legislation happening in the next couple of weeks. The Serious Violence Strategy has just been published and there's plenty of waffle in it but no announcements on any new legislation due to be passed in the near future.No mention of MARS.
I think it's going to take them a bit more time to understand what 'rapid fire and material destruction rifles' actually are and why moving some specialised target-shooting equipment to Section 5 isn't actually going to help their strategy one little bit.
red_slr said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
red_slr said:
Article in the Independent today saying new laws will be pushed through next week. Went on to list issues with knife crime, acid attacks etc then one line that the govt will "ban rapid fire rifles".
No mention of MARS.
I don't see any new firearms legislation happening in the next couple of weeks. The Serious Violence Strategy has just been published and there's plenty of waffle in it but no announcements on any new legislation due to be passed in the near future.No mention of MARS.
I think it's going to take them a bit more time to understand what 'rapid fire and material destruction rifles' actually are and why moving some specialised target-shooting equipment to Section 5 isn't actually going to help their strategy one little bit.
Lets face it, it's about seeing to be doing something (anything) that is easy to do (persecute the law abiding) than actually go after the people they should be going after, the non-law abiding.
We are the easy target (pun not intended)
It's not really a question of the HO & G'ment taking it slow and steady, it's more that they have rather a lot on their plate at the moment and I'm getting the feeling the original proposals on firearms are starting to slip down the order of priority now.
In the strategy there's barely a paragraph on the firearms bans everyone is worried about.
In the strategy there's barely a paragraph on the firearms bans everyone is worried about.
FurtiveFreddy said:
It's not really a question of the HO & G'ment taking it slow and steady, it's more that they have rather a lot on their plate at the moment and I'm getting the feeling the original proposals on firearms are starting to slip down the order of priority now.
In the strategy there's barely a paragraph on the firearms bans everyone is worried about.
I think you're missing the point, that's exactly why, as they are trying to slip it through quietly on the back of the big current media issue of knives and gang violence etc., which is what they are trying to get through quickly.In the strategy there's barely a paragraph on the firearms bans everyone is worried about.
If the small paragraph of the firearms bit was slipping down the priority, they would have removed it to concentrate on the knives and acid stuff..........but, its still in, which is why, everyone is rightly worried that they are going to ignore the consultation responses etc., and just steam roller it through on the back of the urgency of the knives/acid etc.
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