The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
Discussion
Just watching BBC Commonwealth Games reports, and they even mentioned shooting, and not just Skeet/Trap shotgun, but rifle events!
Mentioned the English guy who's competing in his 11th games, but also mentioned a Canadian shooter, who is 79 years old, and now holds the record for the oldest Commonwealth Games competitor.
That's the type of thing that needs to be pointed out to these oiks in Govt, here's a sport that people can still competitively do way beyond playing football or other stuff and it should be encouraged, not slapped in the face...just because they don't understand it.
Mentioned the English guy who's competing in his 11th games, but also mentioned a Canadian shooter, who is 79 years old, and now holds the record for the oldest Commonwealth Games competitor.
That's the type of thing that needs to be pointed out to these oiks in Govt, here's a sport that people can still competitively do way beyond playing football or other stuff and it should be encouraged, not slapped in the face...just because they don't understand it.
aeropilot said:
I think you're missing the point, that's exactly why, as they are trying to slip it through quietly on the back of the big current media issue of knives and gang violence etc., which is what they are trying to get through quickly.
If the small paragraph of the firearms bit was slipping down the priority, they would have removed it to concentrate on the knives and acid stuff..........but, its still in, which is why, everyone is rightly worried that they are going to ignore the consultation responses etc., and just steam roller it through on the back of the urgency of the knives/acid etc.
My thoughts exactly. Knife crime has hit the media spotlight so what we need to do is outlaw some firearms that have, to my knowledge, never been used in a crime, but we can slip it through on some legislation that will be political suicide to question.If the small paragraph of the firearms bit was slipping down the priority, they would have removed it to concentrate on the knives and acid stuff..........but, its still in, which is why, everyone is rightly worried that they are going to ignore the consultation responses etc., and just steam roller it through on the back of the urgency of the knives/acid etc.
I have just had a total WTF experience. Not just WTF, more like WTFF.
I just could not find the magazines for my MP5 anywhere. I turned the house upside down and could not find them.
There aren't any MP5 magazines available in the UK any more. There aren't any available in Europe. You can buy them in the US, but then you are in a world of ITAR butthurt even if you can find somebody to sell you one.
So I had a useless MP5.
I found some magazines in South Africa. All well and good, but they didn't take foreign credit cards. I had to wire them the money. I tried wiring it using a cheap wire service who I regularly use. This also has the benefit of the transfer service provider sending the money to the recipient from a local SA bank account, so the recipient doesn't eat SWIFT fees from their bank. But now despite me using this transfer provider for years, they now do due diligence on new transactions. They found out it was for gun parts, ordered from a gun dealer. Bzzzzzzttt. T&Cs say no.
So then I decided to wire it with my bank. Since this was now a SWIFT transfer, I had to Google up the recipients bank's fees for receiving SWIFT payments and I had to add another £10 to the remittance, to cover the cost of the gun dealer's own bank for receiving the money I was sending. My bank also gave me a crap rate to SA Rand plus charged me a big fee for good measure, but at least they sent the money.
Obvs I had to pay the courier fee from South Africa, so that added a good £100 or so to the cost.
In the end I have the new MP5 magazines, but it has cost me almost £300.
But here is the WTF part. Now I had my new magazines, I decided to give my MP5 a nice good clean. I got it out. I got the cleaning bag out. I gave it a nice clean out and put the gun back. Then I put the cleaning kit back. What do I see on the floor where the cleaning kit was? My old MP5 magazines which had disappeared off the face of the earth and I just paid £300 to replace.
I need to butt my head on the wall.
I just could not find the magazines for my MP5 anywhere. I turned the house upside down and could not find them.
There aren't any MP5 magazines available in the UK any more. There aren't any available in Europe. You can buy them in the US, but then you are in a world of ITAR butthurt even if you can find somebody to sell you one.
So I had a useless MP5.
I found some magazines in South Africa. All well and good, but they didn't take foreign credit cards. I had to wire them the money. I tried wiring it using a cheap wire service who I regularly use. This also has the benefit of the transfer service provider sending the money to the recipient from a local SA bank account, so the recipient doesn't eat SWIFT fees from their bank. But now despite me using this transfer provider for years, they now do due diligence on new transactions. They found out it was for gun parts, ordered from a gun dealer. Bzzzzzzttt. T&Cs say no.
So then I decided to wire it with my bank. Since this was now a SWIFT transfer, I had to Google up the recipients bank's fees for receiving SWIFT payments and I had to add another £10 to the remittance, to cover the cost of the gun dealer's own bank for receiving the money I was sending. My bank also gave me a crap rate to SA Rand plus charged me a big fee for good measure, but at least they sent the money.
Obvs I had to pay the courier fee from South Africa, so that added a good £100 or so to the cost.
In the end I have the new MP5 magazines, but it has cost me almost £300.
But here is the WTF part. Now I had my new magazines, I decided to give my MP5 a nice good clean. I got it out. I got the cleaning bag out. I gave it a nice clean out and put the gun back. Then I put the cleaning kit back. What do I see on the floor where the cleaning kit was? My old MP5 magazines which had disappeared off the face of the earth and I just paid £300 to replace.
I need to butt my head on the wall.
All's not lost though, given they are now unobtainium in UK, they aren't worthless.......(maybe not quite what they cost you but you should get a good price for them?)
I was sooooooooooo glad I managed to bag what may have been the last 3 x 25 rd StG.44 mags available in UK last year at Bisley Phoenix meet.
[quote=aeropilot]
Maybe not a record, but its pretty efficient, and certainly one of the quickest I've heard about in the past 2-3 years
What force?
Devon & Cornwall.
He said it would be 2 weeks and when I told him a guy at the range was told 4 weeks and it took 16 he said they were much more efficient these days.
Nothing bought yet, but soon, very soon..
Maybe not a record, but its pretty efficient, and certainly one of the quickest I've heard about in the past 2-3 years
What force?
Devon & Cornwall.
He said it would be 2 weeks and when I told him a guy at the range was told 4 weeks and it took 16 he said they were much more efficient these days.
Nothing bought yet, but soon, very soon..
^ So, Thursday now, post a pic of your new gun 
Question for my own interest only about long range shooting:
When shooting long range you need to elevate the barrel above the target. The bullet might be falling 1 inch down per yard of forward travel at the point of impact.
Does the orientation of the bullet through the flight path keep pointing at the original departure angle (i.e. will not be parallel to the direction of flight)? Or do aerodynamic forces cause it to rotate so it is always facing parallel to the direction of flight?
Anyone who has experience with Virgin trains as per my earlier question, please let me know.
Question for my own interest only about long range shooting:
When shooting long range you need to elevate the barrel above the target. The bullet might be falling 1 inch down per yard of forward travel at the point of impact.
Does the orientation of the bullet through the flight path keep pointing at the original departure angle (i.e. will not be parallel to the direction of flight)? Or do aerodynamic forces cause it to rotate so it is always facing parallel to the direction of flight?
Anyone who has experience with Virgin trains as per my earlier question, please let me know.
FWIW I tried calling the Virgin contact desk for you and they were not taking calls!
Regarding bullet trajectory and POI / POA you would usually use your DOPE and go off that for that load and weight bullet.
So for example n grain bullet with certain load at say 600 yards might give 6 min drop so you would dial up 24 clicks (or whatever).
Most "proper" long rangers i.e 1000 yards will be home loading with quite a bit of precision and fine tuning their DOPE over a long period.
After that its just conditions and usual variables which will define your group size / score.
Most bullets only start to tumble once they run out of puff, so bog standard factory .308 might start to tumble at 600-800 yards. Hotter stuff or longer barrel (longer burn time) you might get twice the distance before it starts to lose its balance.
Regarding bullet trajectory and POI / POA you would usually use your DOPE and go off that for that load and weight bullet.
So for example n grain bullet with certain load at say 600 yards might give 6 min drop so you would dial up 24 clicks (or whatever).
Most "proper" long rangers i.e 1000 yards will be home loading with quite a bit of precision and fine tuning their DOPE over a long period.
After that its just conditions and usual variables which will define your group size / score.
Most bullets only start to tumble once they run out of puff, so bog standard factory .308 might start to tumble at 600-800 yards. Hotter stuff or longer barrel (longer burn time) you might get twice the distance before it starts to lose its balance.
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