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Anybody bought any guns from America? I'm there next month and thought I'd see if I could pick up some bits and pieces. So far I've found out that my airline - United - will transport Guns etc as long as they are in a lockable hard case. When first arriving at the airport I'm to present myself at the TSA desk and have the firearms checked and then the box locked. There's no export licence as its for personal use. I have to give them at least 8 hours notice before my flight departure. Upon arriving in the UK I have to go to the red zone and declare my purchase. It's a good idea to let them know in advance so they can have somebody available to check the guns comply with UK law. Obviously I've have to be in possession of my FAC. It all seems a bit easy and I'm sure I've missed something, anybody help?
I was thinking of getting a S&W MP15-22 or similar, any recommendations? Failing that I'll just pick up some spares for my Ruger 10/22.
I was thinking of getting a S&W MP15-22 or similar, any recommendations? Failing that I'll just pick up some spares for my Ruger 10/22.
Johnspex said:
At Last,an American! What does 101 mean?
I was born in Roehampton.(Lesson) 101 means "showing the most basic knowledge about a subject"
Here's what a dictionary says: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/englis...
Meaning, you enrol in a course and the first lesson in the first term is numbered 101 and covers the most basic knowledge about a subject. Sequential lessons are numbered 102, 103, 104 etc. The first lesson of the second term is 201.
I think I have picked up some varied language in my travels.
Edited by The_Doc on Saturday 23 February 12:46
MAVROS said:
Anybody bought any guns from America? I'm there next month and thought I'd see if I could pick up some bits and pieces. So far I've found out that my airline - United - will transport Guns etc as long as they are in a lockable hard case. When first arriving at the airport I'm to present myself at the TSA desk and have the firearms checked and then the box locked. There's no export licence as its for personal use. I have to give them at least 8 hours notice before my flight departure. Upon arriving in the UK I have to go to the red zone and declare my purchase. It's a good idea to let them know in advance so they can have somebody available to check the guns comply with UK law. Obviously I've have to be in possession of my FAC. It all seems a bit easy and I'm sure I've missed something, anybody help?
I was thinking of getting a S&W MP15-22 or similar, any recommendations? Failing that I'll just pick up some spares for my Ruger 10/22.
Yes, it all seems easy until you realise that unless you are a U.S. citizen, you can't legally purchase a firearm there.I was thinking of getting a S&W MP15-22 or similar, any recommendations? Failing that I'll just pick up some spares for my Ruger 10/22.
So unless you have dual nationality, it's going to be a non-starter for firearms.
It is possible to bring back shotguns, as the sale is less restricted.
Also, if you want to bring back accessories or parts bear in mind that a lot of them are ITAR controlled, which means that if U.S. Customs for some reason look in your bags and find anything on the ITAR list, it will be confiscated. A lot of people take the risk and have no problems of this kind, but you need to know where you stand officially.
Just to add, the way to do it is to arrange the purchase with your dealer in the UK and prior to travel (if you are wanting to view / try before you buy) speak to a friendly dealer in the USA who is familiar with export. They will then arrange the export from the US and your UK dealer will then rx the imported firearm, arrange proofing and inputting onto the database etc. At this point and only at this point will you have the firearm put onto your FAC. If its for something like a 15-22 don't bother, the cost wont be worth it just buy one in the UK which has already been proofed.
red_slr said:
Just to add, the way to do it is to arrange the purchase with your dealer in the UK and prior to travel (if you are wanting to view / try before you buy) speak to a friendly dealer in the USA who is familiar with export. They will then arrange the export from the US and your UK dealer will then rx the imported firearm, arrange proofing and inputting onto the database etc. At this point and only at this point will you have the firearm put onto your FAC. If its for something like a 15-22 don't bother, the cost wont be worth it just buy one in the UK which has already been proofed.
You can import it and get it cleared as a personal import yourself without needing to involve an RFD. It then won't require proofing unless you intend to sell it on at some point.But as you say it is an expensive and lengthy process.
Regardless of the value of the firearm it costs around £1200 minimum to import, so it needs to be something pretty rare or valuable to be worth doing.
The only thing stopping a personal import as I already said is the fact you can't legally buy it. That may not stop someone from selling it to you, but both you and the seller would become acquainted with those nice representatives of the ATF and/or FBI pretty quickly.
Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Saturday 23 February 19:11
Hm, I stand corrected I just spoke to my RFD who says for personal importing its fine so long as you use your FAC and pay any duty etc etc.
Which is really, really annoying as I brought in a Mossberg door kicker special a few years ago via said RFD who advised me he would make transport arrangements, proof etc etc… which is what I did (and it took 6 months!) so if I had known that I could have brought it back in my luggage FFS! Ah well you live and learn.
Which is really, really annoying as I brought in a Mossberg door kicker special a few years ago via said RFD who advised me he would make transport arrangements, proof etc etc… which is what I did (and it took 6 months!) so if I had known that I could have brought it back in my luggage FFS! Ah well you live and learn.
red_slr said:
Hm, I stand corrected I just spoke to my RFD who says for personal importing its fine so long as you use your FAC and pay any duty etc etc.
Which is really, really annoying as I brought in a Mossberg door kicker special a few years ago via said RFD who advised me he would make transport arrangements, proof etc etc… which is what I did (and it took 6 months!) so if I had known that I could have brought it back in my luggage FFS! Ah well you live and learn.
You're not the only one. It's not easy to find the correct information and some of it is quite confusing.Which is really, really annoying as I brought in a Mossberg door kicker special a few years ago via said RFD who advised me he would make transport arrangements, proof etc etc… which is what I did (and it took 6 months!) so if I had known that I could have brought it back in my luggage FFS! Ah well you live and learn.
I didn't have the heart to tell someone I know the other day that he could have saved about £1500 and 5 months of waiting by bringing in his nice shiny new shotgun himself.
Anyone on here shoot .204 ruger or similar?
Renewal looming and tempted to put in for .204 for long distance vermin control as some of my permissions are passed. Also tempted to apply for open ticket this time around. Any experience appreciated on these topics.
Have done a fair bit of reading and research on the various. 22 centrefire rounds. I've no call for any deer shooting, we do go lamping for foxes and rabbits at range. Cost of ammo not really a major worry as it wouldn't be used that frequently
Renewal looming and tempted to put in for .204 for long distance vermin control as some of my permissions are passed. Also tempted to apply for open ticket this time around. Any experience appreciated on these topics.
Have done a fair bit of reading and research on the various. 22 centrefire rounds. I've no call for any deer shooting, we do go lamping for foxes and rabbits at range. Cost of ammo not really a major worry as it wouldn't be used that frequently
Pesty said:
creampuff said:
aeropilot said:
A friend of a mate who lives in the USA, uses his 30-06 on squirrels........in his words, "because I can"
Hahahahaha! Taste the freedom!
We don't have squirrels in NZ but I've dismantled a fair few rabbits with the 308 and 223. The 223 managed to turn a hedgehog completely inside-out once too, quite interesting effect really. Its one way of spreading blood-and-bone fertiliser anyway.
200Plus Club said:
Anyone on here shoot .204 ruger or similar?
Renewal looming and tempted to put in for .204 for long distance vermin control as some of my permissions are passed. Also tempted to apply for open ticket this time around. Any experience appreciated on these topics.
Have done a fair bit of reading and research on the various. 22 centrefire rounds. I've no call for any deer shooting, we do go lamping for foxes and rabbits at range. Cost of ammo not really a major worry as it wouldn't be used that frequently
I've had a 204 previously, great round for that style of shooting but its usually much easier to find cheaper bulk 223 ammunition if thats a factor for you.Renewal looming and tempted to put in for .204 for long distance vermin control as some of my permissions are passed. Also tempted to apply for open ticket this time around. Any experience appreciated on these topics.
Have done a fair bit of reading and research on the various. 22 centrefire rounds. I've no call for any deer shooting, we do go lamping for foxes and rabbits at range. Cost of ammo not really a major worry as it wouldn't be used that frequently
I switched to 223 for versatility because I use it for wallabies, goats and deer as well as rabbits and hares, and the minimum caliber allowed for hunting on public land in NZ is 222 (204 didn't exist when they made the rule or it might have been included, but thats how it is for now).
£20-30 per box at my local rfd and the .223 is showing £12-30 a box depending on manufacturer etc. It's not something I would be shooting hundreds of rounds with though. I've got .17hmr and probably used 100 rounds max in a year. Hmr is very affected by windy days with it being so light a round.
Fair enough then, if you aren't putting a truckload of rounds through it won't be a big deal. 17HMR is quite wind affected, though not as much as 22LR or 22WMR.
All the small centrefires are absolutely in another league for power, range and wind resistance compared to the HMR, I don't think you'll be disappointed either way - the speed of the 204 will have it shooting flatter out to a certain distance and beyond that heavier 223 rounds will start to beat it for ballistics, but at the distances I expect you'll be be shooting the difference is pretty academic. So just pick a rifle you like and have fun.
All the small centrefires are absolutely in another league for power, range and wind resistance compared to the HMR, I don't think you'll be disappointed either way - the speed of the 204 will have it shooting flatter out to a certain distance and beyond that heavier 223 rounds will start to beat it for ballistics, but at the distances I expect you'll be be shooting the difference is pretty academic. So just pick a rifle you like and have fun.
Edited by GravelBen on Sunday 24th February 08:00
GravelBen said:
Fair enough then, if you aren't putting a truckload of rounds through it won't be a big deal. 17HMR is quite wind affected, though not as much as 22LR or 22WMR.
All the small centrefires are absolutely in another league for power, range and wind resistance compared to the HMR, I don't think you'll be disappointed either way - the speed of the 204 will have it shooting flatter out to a certain distance and beyond that heavier 223 rounds will start to beat it for ballistics, but at the distances I expect you'll be be shooting the difference is pretty academic. So just pick a rifle you like and have fun.
Realistically 200-300yards would be the most I could shoot at regularly if my marksmanship is upto it. 168 yards with hmr is current best on a rabbit as we tend to try and get closer in generally with the hmr when it's breezyAll the small centrefires are absolutely in another league for power, range and wind resistance compared to the HMR, I don't think you'll be disappointed either way - the speed of the 204 will have it shooting flatter out to a certain distance and beyond that heavier 223 rounds will start to beat it for ballistics, but at the distances I expect you'll be be shooting the difference is pretty academic. So just pick a rifle you like and have fun.
Edited by GravelBen on Sunday 24th February 08:00
I was off this evening checking the flight lines of pigeons to try and be better at bagging them.
Figured when just out about watching, a pair of binoculars would be useful. Can anyone recommend some? I don't mind paying a bit for something decent that will last £100-£200 max. I realise you can spend silly money on them.
Edit, I dont need range features as I only shoot shotguns.
Figured when just out about watching, a pair of binoculars would be useful. Can anyone recommend some? I don't mind paying a bit for something decent that will last £100-£200 max. I realise you can spend silly money on them.
Edit, I dont need range features as I only shoot shotguns.
andyb28 said:
I was off this evening checking the flight lines of pigeons to try and be better at bagging them.
Figured when just out about watching, a pair of binoculars would be useful. Can anyone recommend some? I don't mind paying a bit for something decent that will last £100-£200 max. I realise you can spend silly money on them.
Edit, I dont need range features as I only shoot shotguns.
I've got a small pair of meopta sports binoculars which were £100 or so and they are fab. My dad spent a bit more on a larger pair for birdwatching which are brilliant. I think he paid about £3-400 though. They have great glass and are very tough.Figured when just out about watching, a pair of binoculars would be useful. Can anyone recommend some? I don't mind paying a bit for something decent that will last £100-£200 max. I realise you can spend silly money on them.
Edit, I dont need range features as I only shoot shotguns.
200Plus Club said:
GravelBen said:
Fair enough then, if you aren't putting a truckload of rounds through it won't be a big deal. 17HMR is quite wind affected, though not as much as 22LR or 22WMR.
All the small centrefires are absolutely in another league for power, range and wind resistance compared to the HMR, I don't think you'll be disappointed either way - the speed of the 204 will have it shooting flatter out to a certain distance and beyond that heavier 223 rounds will start to beat it for ballistics, but at the distances I expect you'll be be shooting the difference is pretty academic. So just pick a rifle you like and have fun.
Realistically 200-300yards would be the most I could shoot at regularly if my marksmanship is upto it. 168 yards with hmr is current best on a rabbit as we tend to try and get closer in generally with the hmr when it's breezyAll the small centrefires are absolutely in another league for power, range and wind resistance compared to the HMR, I don't think you'll be disappointed either way - the speed of the 204 will have it shooting flatter out to a certain distance and beyond that heavier 223 rounds will start to beat it for ballistics, but at the distances I expect you'll be be shooting the difference is pretty academic. So just pick a rifle you like and have fun.
Edited by GravelBen on Sunday 24th February 08:00
I have a Howa 1500 with an ATI floorplate conversion and a GRS Berserk stock. Picture below with the Photon XT but now sporting an ATN X-Sight2
I need some help with pigeons please.
We are really lucky to be able to shoot a fairly large farm for pigeons, but we aren't bagging very many by trying to catch them in the afternoon / evening returning to the roost. I have both sat and watched as well as shot a few. Always keeping hidden by bushes.
There are a few problems, firstly it's not been windy at all which isn't helping. The second problem is they are roosting in some big trees at the edge of the farm which is near some houses, so we can't shoot them or get near to them.
Therefore, we are I guess looking to get them in the wide open fields. To do this, I would presume it would be best to use decoys and a hide. There is a rape field and a freshly ploughed field near to each other.
Which would be better?
What time should we set up?
Any other tips to help us bag a few more birds?
We are really lucky to be able to shoot a fairly large farm for pigeons, but we aren't bagging very many by trying to catch them in the afternoon / evening returning to the roost. I have both sat and watched as well as shot a few. Always keeping hidden by bushes.
There are a few problems, firstly it's not been windy at all which isn't helping. The second problem is they are roosting in some big trees at the edge of the farm which is near some houses, so we can't shoot them or get near to them.
Therefore, we are I guess looking to get them in the wide open fields. To do this, I would presume it would be best to use decoys and a hide. There is a rape field and a freshly ploughed field near to each other.
Which would be better?
What time should we set up?
Any other tips to help us bag a few more birds?
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