The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

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jimmyjimjim

7,337 posts

238 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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aeropilot said:
I think you are misunderstanding my use of the word 'repro'.

The C&R wording allows for original configuration, so making a 'repro' 4T from a normal No.4 is allowed, as its still in the same configuration as a wartime 4T, its just not a 'real' T. But a real T if matching numbers etc., is 20 times the cost of a No.4, but the bits to make a good shooting repro sniper 4T can be had for a fraction of that....especially in the USA.
Same thing with the K98 sniper.
Same thing with the M1903A1.
Got it - makes more sense. I'd read another article on the nuances of the licence last night, and they were at pains to point out that modern replicas of eligible rifles were not covered, which is what I thought you meant.

aeropilot

34,526 posts

227 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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jimmyjimjim said:
aeropilot said:
I think you are misunderstanding my use of the word 'repro'.

The C&R wording allows for original configuration, so making a 'repro' 4T from a normal No.4 is allowed, as its still in the same configuration as a wartime 4T, its just not a 'real' T. But a real T if matching numbers etc., is 20 times the cost of a No.4, but the bits to make a good shooting repro sniper 4T can be had for a fraction of that....especially in the USA.
Same thing with the K98 sniper.
Same thing with the M1903A1.
Got it - makes more sense. I'd read another article on the nuances of the licence last night, and they were at pains to point out that modern replicas of eligible rifles were not covered, which is what I thought you meant.
That will be for things like the brand new Inland M1 Carbines, or the SSD Fg.42's etc.

Marlin45

1,327 posts

164 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Sorry if this has cropped up previously but if not if anyone in the UK collects or has and deactivated firearms these ruling come into force from the 12th Dec. Failure to comply can result in fines...etc.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/1420/made/...

All deactivated firearms now have to be 'registered' !!



[i]Notification of deactivated firearms
3.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2), a person commits an offence if—
(a)
the person is in possession of a deactivated firearm;
(b)
the person does not give notice of the deactivated firearm to the appropriate nationalauthority in accordance with paragraph (3), and
(c)
where the deactivated firearm has been transferred to the person, the person whotransferred it has not given notice of the transfer in accordance with regulation 2(notification of transfers of deactivated firearms).
(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply if the person is in possession of the deactivated firearm for aperiod of 14 days or less.
(3) Notice for the purposes of paragraph (1)(b) must—
(a)
be given—
(i)
on or before the day on which the person first possesses the deactivated firearm, or
(ii)
as soon as reasonably practicable after that date;[/i]

aeropilot

34,526 posts

227 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Marlin45 said:
Sorry if this has cropped up previously but if not if anyone in the UK collects or has and deactivated firearms these ruling come into force from the 12th Dec. Failure to comply can result in fines...etc.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/1420/made/...

All deactivated firearms now have to be 'registered' !!



[i]Notification of deactivated firearms
3.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2), a person commits an offence if—
(a)
the person is in possession of a deactivated firearm;
(b)
the person does not give notice of the deactivated firearm to the appropriate nationalauthority in accordance with paragraph (3), and
(c)
where the deactivated firearm has been transferred to the person, the person whotransferred it has not given notice of the transfer in accordance with regulation 2(notification of transfers of deactivated firearms).
(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply if the person is in possession of the deactivated firearm for aperiod of 14 days or less.
(3) Notice for the purposes of paragraph (1)(b) must—
(a)
be given—
(i)
on or before the day on which the person first possesses the deactivated firearm, or
(ii)
as soon as reasonably practicable after that date;[/i]
Registered to who....?

As if Plod FET's don't have enough on their plate as it is!

Also, note Regulation 4, of the deferral date of March 2021 for those in possession prior to Sept 2018.

I'm glad I got rid of all mine several years ago, only kept one for sentimental reasons, but now wish I hadn't even done that.


There will be many, many people that will get caught out by this, just how exactly do they propose to make joe public aware of this?

MKnight702

3,108 posts

214 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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aeropilot said:
There will be many, many people that will get caught out by this, just how exactly do they propose to make joe public aware of this?
But if they make people aware, then they may comply and therefore can't be prosecuted for having a homicidal gun shaped lump of inert metal. Think of all the media hysteria that would be avoided by not having the ability to pillory some otherwise law abiding citizen for not registering his granddad's WWII souvenir that was properly deactivated and is of no earthly use other than as a paperweight.

Herr Schnell

2,343 posts

199 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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aeropilot said:
Registered to who....?

As if Plod FET's don't have enough on their plate as it is!

Also, note Regulation 4, of the deferral date of March 2021 for those in possession prior to Sept 2018.

I'm glad I got rid of all mine several years ago, only kept one for sentimental reasons, but now wish I hadn't even done that.


There will be many, many people that will get caught out by this, just how exactly do they propose to make joe public aware of this?
That is a strangely worded piece of legislation.

In regulation 3 it states that the national authority with which owners must register is stated in paragraph 4 of the regulation but no agency is listed in paragraph 4 or elsewhere.

As regulation 3 is written there is no way for people to comply until such time as the Act is amended to include details of where the registraiton must be sent. I can't see that happening before the implementation date and probably not for some time after.


andyb28

765 posts

118 months

Wednesday 6th November 2019
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red_slr said:
You got to be joking me?
Which force is this?

You need to politely tell them that the keys are kept in a secure place that only you know about.
If they want more details they are going to have to change the law...

Rule 1 is keep your keys safe and secure in a place only you know about. If the police need to get into your cab then they will, its just going to make a mess. If you are on your death bed then arrangements will be made with an RFD which is a different situation of course.

But during the course of normal firearms ownership you should never ever allow anyone access or the ability to access your firearms even the police as they have no exemptions what so ever to access your firearms without warrant.

You need to read the regulations!

If you are a member on Full Bore I would get on there and ask for advice asap before the visit....
I just wanted to thank everyone again for their help.
The firearms officer has just left. He did not ask about the keys at all. He just asked me to show him my cabinet and to open it so that he can check that its secured properly to the wall.

Thats was it. He was a very nice chap.

I guess this was just the follow up to check the cabinet as I didn't have it in place on the first visit.

red_slr

17,217 posts

189 months

Wednesday 6th November 2019
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thumbup

red_slr

17,217 posts

189 months

Wednesday 6th November 2019
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In other news, looks like someone is importing Kal Tecs now to the UK in .22WMR.
They look like fun guns but the company does not have the best history in the press so I hope they don't end up in the media.

Saddle bum

4,211 posts

219 months

Monday 11th November 2019
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Game shoot Saturday. Cold to start with and no wind. Birds flew low and fast. Just before 1100, the whistle went and we gathered to pay our respects to the Fallen. We do it every year, it's a nice touch.

BertieWooster

3,271 posts

164 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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jimmyjimjim said:
Woohoo!

How easy was it for you to get your FFL? I've been toying with the idea of getting one.

jimmyjimjim

7,337 posts

238 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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Well, it's just a curio and relic, which is as cheap and commonplace as you can get.

$30 for 3 years.

Fill out a form, get a cashiers check (my debit card was declined the first time and I had to re-submit - apparently this is common), send part of the form to the BATF, the other part to the chief local law enforcement office(Parker Sheriff in my case), job done. I have a feeling you might know your CLEO better than me, as I've never met him or had any contact with him apart from googling the name to fill in the form...

You can fill out the pdf electronically, I did that the second time as being easier.

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Reloading pubic service announcement.

When you are reloaded don’t get distracted by wittering women.

Electronic scales do a count. I check every 20 or so.

I have 20 45/70 and 21 charges frown

Pretty sure one of them is a hand grenade. Ffs.


FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Pesty said:
Reloading pubic service announcement.

When you are reloaded don’t get distracted by wittering women.

Electronic scales do a count. I check every 20 or so.

I have 20 45/70 and 21 charges frown

Pretty sure one of them is a hand grenade. Ffs.
You allow women into your reloading area? eek

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Well daughters moved out so I’ve kind of appropriated that. Came saw mess everywhere . Been having a move around. Started moaning what if we have guests etc.

I changed my process I usually do one step,at a time and before I seat bullets check all with a torch especially 45/70

For some reason I didn’t. Oh well time to get the hammer out.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Friday 15th November 2019
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Pesty said:
Well daughters moved out so I’ve kind of appropriated that. Came saw mess everywhere . Been having a move around. Started moaning what if we have guests etc.

I changed my process I usually do one step,at a time and before I seat bullets check all with a torch especially 45/70

For some reason I didn’t. Oh well time to get the hammer out.
Why? Just weigh them.

aeropilot

34,526 posts

227 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Pesty said:
Well daughters moved out so I’ve kind of appropriated that. Came saw mess everywhere . Been having a move around. Started moaning what if we have guests etc.

I changed my process I usually do one step,at a time and before I seat bullets check all with a torch especially 45/70

For some reason I didn’t. Oh well time to get the hammer out.
Why? Just weigh them.
yes


Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Why? Just weigh them.
I have.

There are 18 suspect as I know the last two were fine.

But of a range of weights probably because brass varies but there are two that are quit a bit heavier one very much so. So I guess that’s the winner but I’ll pull both.

In shot 82 rounds today.

I don’t want to think how much that actually cost have you seen the price of Lead lately.


FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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Pesty said:
I have.

There are 18 suspect as I know the last two were fine.

But of a range of weights probably because brass varies but there are two that are quit a bit heavier one very much so. So I guess that’s the winner but I’ll pull both.

In shot 82 rounds today.

I don’t want to think how much that actually cost have you seen the price of Lead lately.
No, but I still have quite a few boxes of .30 Bergers here and they were pricey enough when I bought them frown

And I shoot a lot of slug, which is fairly expensive. And remember .50 is around £6 a round.

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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I’m shooting a lot of slug for PSG and bird. It adds up quickly

It’s an expensive hobby. Glad I don’t have a 50 cal then. Wow, is that even if you reload?