The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[MKnight702]

carinatauk said:

Thanks
How much ammo will they let you hold?

I have 300 each of 7.62*39, 7.62*51, 7.62*54r, 577-450 and 1,000 .22LR.

[smack]

Pesty said:

Thinking of getting a 300WM

I have one, and it is great but unless you are using it at distance, it is a bit overkill. It is a significant cost increase to feed, thanks to heavier bullets, more powder and a lack of free brass supply. Although I am fine now for brass as I picked up a load of once fired US Army brass (as the US Army re-barreled and upgraded their M24's from 7.62 NATO to 300WM) so you can get reasonably priced cases in the US, and someone else in my club shoots Win Mag has loads of money and doesn't care so gives me the cases if I am shooting with him.

aeropilot said:

You'll be OK then with 30-06, you'll just need to buy different types of 30-06 ammo, the stuff for hunting and mil spec ball/target stuff for Bisley.

Its only when you get into the HME classified ammo that its gets more of a faff shooting at Bisley, unless you club has HME qualified RO's.

Even then it can be a PITA, one of our RO's started interpreting quoting rules that are not in the Bisley Bible regarding HME, and other club RO's (who were also there that day) agreed with me that he was wrong, backed down saying as the Range RO for the day, what he says goes.

[aeropilot]

smack said:

Pesty said:

Thinking of getting a 300WM

I have one, and it is great but unless you are using it at distance, it is a bit overkill. It is a significant cost increase to feed, thanks to heavier bullets, more powder and a lack of free brass supply. Although I am fine now for brass as I picked up a load of once fired US Army brass (as the US Army re-barreled and upgraded their M24's from 7.62 NATO to 300WM) so you can get reasonably priced cases in the US, and someone else in my club shoots Win Mag has loads of money and doesn't care so gives me the cases if I am shooting with him.

aeropilot said:

You'll be OK then with 30-06, you'll just need to buy different types of 30-06 ammo, the stuff for hunting and mil spec ball/target stuff for Bisley.

Its only when you get into the HME classified ammo that its gets more of a faff shooting at Bisley, unless you club has HME qualified RO's.

Even then it can be a PITA, one of our RO's started interpreting quoting rules that are not in the Bisley Bible regarding HME, and other club RO's (who were also there that day) agreed with me that he was wrong, backed down saying as the Range RO for the day, what he says goes.

Yes, only the other week, one of our recent members asked me a question about a rifle he was interested in buying which was 300WM and he was thinking of swapping his free 7.62x51 slot for it, and I said you really don't want the hassle, especially as we don't have any other members using any HME calibre and we don't have a HME RO either (and that's excluding the cost implications)

He knocked the idea on the head fairly swiftly.

[Pesty]

smack said:

a bit overkill..

Not sure I understand can you explain.

You’re texting to somebody who shot 250 12g cartridges at a square piece of metal in approx. 30 minutes just because. I don’t believe in overkill

I’d go 50cal but the rifles cost too much

Edited by Pesty on Monday 25th November 17:30

[Pesty]

Been off today. Should have been doing housework

That seemed boring so did some reloading, ran out of powder. Couldn’t be arsed with housework so made some 45/70 key rings.

Wife wasn’t impressed.

[aeropilot]

Pesty said:

Wife wasn’t impressed.

Didn't you make one for her then.....

[Turn7]

aeropilot said:

Pesty said:

Wife wasn’t impressed.

Didn't you make one for her then.....

That looks a lot of powder for not much lead to my untrained eye ?

[Pesty]

Turn7 said:

That looks a lot of powder for not much lead to my untrained eye ?

It is

65 grains in the ones I made

[Turn7]

what was the original intention of the round ?

[Pesty]

Turn7 said:

what was the original intention of the round ?

Buffalo and US civil war round or just after.

Can pretty much kill anything if that’s what you want to do.

The none key rings I made are 300grain hollow points traveling at around 2200 fps


500grain bullets are lethal to 3200 meters. Use them like portable mortar.

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 26th November 22:13

[Herr Schnell]

Pesty said:

You’d hear them tutting where you are there if I turned up with the magazine fed

Be fun to try and take 11 clays at once but this in England god damn it and we can’t have fun.

I did once see a guy with a S1 pump action at a clay ground, him and a friend made short work of a 50 bird flurry which was otherwise being shot in groups of 4.

My group thought it was the greatest thing we'd seen and couldn't wait to ask the guy about it, he was defensive at first telling us he had permission from the ground owners before we'd even introduced ourselves.

He relaxed prettty quickly but we saw why he'd been stroppy from the off when a couple of Perazzi branded golfer types came steaming over to start berating him and threatening to call the Police over his choice of gun. They refused to accept that the ground owner had given permission and got very much in his face.

The trapper intervened and the golfers stormed off in a huff. We were pretty outraged but he was resigned to the fact that using anything outside of the norm on clay grounds provokes that type of behaviour, even when you have the full and proper permissions to do so.

[Pesty]

Odd is t it.

We are a small group of enthusiasts in a sport that is under attack from all sides, we don’t need to attack each other. Such an odd attitude.

I’ve had a couple of comments, nothing that bad just stupid little digs. But yes mostly it’s people either ignore what I’m using or want to know more.

[red_slr]

Herr Schnell said:

He relaxed prettty quickly but we saw why he'd been stroppy from the off when a couple of Perazzi branded golfer types came steaming over to start berating him and threatening to call the Police over his choice of gun.

Nothing worse IMHO, the problem is a lot of these "not on my watch people" are often the ones with the biggest voice.

Had a play with this the other night, bloody lovely. Its a lot, lot smaller than the photo makes it look.



The need is strong with this one!

[Pesty]

Every Henry I’ve played with has felt extremely well built.

They make em with loading gates too but not sure about the mare leg

[aeropilot]

Pesty said:

Every Henry I’ve played with has felt extremely well built.

They make em with loading gates too but not sure about the mare leg

They are well made, with very slick actions but also very heavy and IIRC, only make the side loading gate version in the rifle calibre's not the pistol calibre's.

[Pesty]

Dangerous melon infestation cleared.


I’ve edited out the misses


https://youtu.be/F1Z7EYPFmA8

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

I’ve edited out the misses

Was she trying to save them then?

[Turn7]

Pesty said:

Dangerous melon infestation cleared.


I’ve edited out the misses


https://youtu.be/F1Z7EYPFmA8

Reminds me of the scene in Day of the Jackal

[Pesty]

Day of the jackass

[Dan_The_Man]

smack said:

Pesty said:

Thinking of getting a 300WM

I have one, and it is great but unless you are using it at distance, it is a bit overkill. It is a significant cost increase to feed, thanks to heavier bullets, more powder and a lack of free brass supply. Although I am fine now for brass as I picked up a load of once fired US Army brass (as the US Army re-barreled and upgraded their M24's from 7.62 NATO to 300WM) so you can get reasonably priced cases in the US, and someone else in my club shoots Win Mag has loads of money and doesn't care so gives me the cases if I am shooting with him.

aeropilot said:

You'll be OK then with 30-06, you'll just need to buy different types of 30-06 ammo, the stuff for hunting and mil spec ball/target stuff for Bisley.

Its only when you get into the HME classified ammo that its gets more of a faff shooting at Bisley, unless you club has HME qualified RO's.

Even then it can be a PITA, one of our RO's started interpreting quoting rules that are not in the Bisley Bible regarding HME, and other club RO's (who were also there that day) agreed with me that he was wrong, backed down saying as the Range RO for the day, what he says goes.

How would you interpret this rule ?

Bisley Bible Appendix 6: Downloading ammunition will not be accepted as a means to bring rounds that would otherwise exceed potential ME/MV values within limits.

The HME RCO training course covers this and it means that every HME rifle must comply with the HME zero process no matter what load is being used.

Imagine turning up with a (lovely) new .300 Win Mag rifle, batch of reloaded ammo, no zero (not even on the zero range) and expecting to use the sandbank to walk rounds onto electronic targets at 600 yards, that's a PITA for any RO to deal with. Procedure is shoot 5 rounds into a HME zero card on the zero range, get it signed off and enjoy V bulls for the rest of the day.