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Had our first long range club rifle of the year today, and let a couple of the newer members have a go of my K98, which is always amusing to see their face after pulling the trigger for the first time, wincing at the sledgehammer blow that has just been dealt to their shoulder socket....
Pesty said:
How does that compare to 30-06 and 7.62x54R?
Mine is a 30-06, as its a Norwegian capture, and which all most all were re-barrelled to 30-06 by the Norwegian's in the early 50's as their stocks of German ammo had been exhausted and to take advantage of 'free' ammo being supplied by the USA, but by the time they had converted a couple of hundred thousand, NATO went over to 7.62x51 and so they were all deemed surplus and put into war reserve storage.The 30-06 is almost the same power as the 7.92x57 though so kick isn't much difference, but the small surface area of the K98 butt adds to the fun.
Pesty said:
Thanks. The 7.92 is the only major WW2 round I haven’t fired yet I think.Well that and the Japanese one.
I did get a chance of a go with a 7.7 Jap Ariska many years ago, and have shot the 7.92x57 which has shocking hitting power with that almost 200grn 8mm bullet thumping into things with 3000 ft.lbf of energy.Only one of the WW2 ammo I've not had a go with is the Soviet 7.62x54.
aeropilot said:
I did get a chance of a go with a 7.7 Jap Ariska many years ago, and have shot the 7.92x57 which has shocking hitting power with that almost 200grn 8mm bullet thumping into things with 3000 ft.lbf of energy.
Only one of the WW2 ammo I've not had a go with is the Soviet 7.62x54.
I fired that out of a dragunov in Hungary and it was disturbing. I’m not recoil sensitive, ok we were shooting in a basement and it had some kind of break. Concussion was horrible. It’s the only rifle that I thought I’d not like to shoot too many of these.Only one of the WW2 ammo I've not had a go with is the Soviet 7.62x54.
Fired two version of mosin over here and it wasn’t bad at all. I imagine that was down loaded.
A little while back, I posted on the frivolous purchases thread, that I was tempted to buy an AR15 and build it up from parts, just to build it. This wasn't well received, as I should have expected. So I buggered off and ordered it anyway. Sod 'em. Background check passed, AR15 lower receiver received. Went for an M4E1 from Aero Precision. Nice piece of work, and not having to hammer in a pin for the bolt release is nice. That and the fixed trigger guard are the differences over a regular receiver.
Various additional components ordered online (no further checks needed), most received, waiting on a couple of trigger pins then I can complete the lower; M16 bolt carrier group due on Monday, need to decide on a charging handle.
I've been investigating in various jigs and tools, so I'm tempted to go ahead and build a full upper, but the last time I specced it out, it worked out about $70 cheaper to buy it ready made. I think that deal may be over now, so once the lower is compete, I'll run the numbers again, and see how I feel. I might not even complete it - the appeal of building what counts as a gun is what interests me. The LGS has a monthly build clinic if I do decide to complete it, so they can give it the once over and check for obvious issues.
If I complete this one as a 'quality' (I'd guess at ~$900) build, I'm also tempted by el cheapo build - it you choose your components correctly, you can make an AR15 for <$300.
Naturally, on top of this, I've another project that's backordered and doesn't even need a background check.
I'll post up some build pics when done with the lower, regardless of if I complete it fully.
Various additional components ordered online (no further checks needed), most received, waiting on a couple of trigger pins then I can complete the lower; M16 bolt carrier group due on Monday, need to decide on a charging handle.
I've been investigating in various jigs and tools, so I'm tempted to go ahead and build a full upper, but the last time I specced it out, it worked out about $70 cheaper to buy it ready made. I think that deal may be over now, so once the lower is compete, I'll run the numbers again, and see how I feel. I might not even complete it - the appeal of building what counts as a gun is what interests me. The LGS has a monthly build clinic if I do decide to complete it, so they can give it the once over and check for obvious issues.
If I complete this one as a 'quality' (I'd guess at ~$900) build, I'm also tempted by el cheapo build - it you choose your components correctly, you can make an AR15 for <$300.
Naturally, on top of this, I've another project that's backordered and doesn't even need a background check.
I'll post up some build pics when done with the lower, regardless of if I complete it fully.
One mildly interesting bit I forgot - once you install the magazine catch, you obviously need to test it. I'd forgotten to pick up any, so went online to get a couple. Blocked. Mags>15 rounds were banned a while back. Not a huge deal, as a proof of concept was really what I was interested in, so nearly ordered a couple of 10 round mags.
Thought about it a little more, went to the LGS, picked up a couple of disassembled 30 round mags. Turns out that the people writing the laws aren't gun people, so don't really think about things. All they've done is mildly inconvenience people.
Thought about it a little more, went to the LGS, picked up a couple of disassembled 30 round mags. Turns out that the people writing the laws aren't gun people, so don't really think about things. All they've done is mildly inconvenience people.
On the Mauser G98K chat...…. Just a few observations.
The Mauser action was conceived as the answer to providing a good hunting rifle that could handle a beefy round. Originally it was produced in 7x57 and used by the Boers. The Germans considered the 7mm a wussy cartridge and wanted it in 8mm for an infantry rifle. The 7mm version could hold up to 8-10 rounds, but could only hold five in 8mm, something we Brits should be grateful for. The action is very strong and locks at the forward end, resulting in a very long throw for the bolt handle. The round gives a lot of recoil and the G98K, being lighter that the WW1 rifle produces even more. I have both long and K versions. I consider them to be inferior to the Lee-Enfield as a infantry rifle.
The Mauser action was conceived as the answer to providing a good hunting rifle that could handle a beefy round. Originally it was produced in 7x57 and used by the Boers. The Germans considered the 7mm a wussy cartridge and wanted it in 8mm for an infantry rifle. The 7mm version could hold up to 8-10 rounds, but could only hold five in 8mm, something we Brits should be grateful for. The action is very strong and locks at the forward end, resulting in a very long throw for the bolt handle. The round gives a lot of recoil and the G98K, being lighter that the WW1 rifle produces even more. I have both long and K versions. I consider them to be inferior to the Lee-Enfield as a infantry rifle.
Pesty said:
So Switzerland, a country with an assault rifle in every closet and a huge gun culture, where happy people go to the range with no issues and fewer murders than Sweden have given up their gun rights to join the EU.
Regulation will be brought in. It will get stricter every 5 years until the country is in line with every other EU country.
"given up their gun rights" makes it sound like they are losing all their guns, which is far from the truth.Regulation will be brought in. It will get stricter every 5 years until the country is in line with every other EU country.
They will face mag capacity restrictions and other EU nonsense, but it's far from the end of gun ownership.
It is the thin end of a wedge though. We all face it, whether in the EU or not.
Saddle bum said:
On the Mauser G98K chat...…. Just a few observations.
The Mauser action was conceived as the answer to providing a good hunting rifle that could handle a beefy round. Originally it was produced in 7x57 and used by the Boers. The Germans considered the 7mm a wussy cartridge and wanted it in 8mm for an infantry rifle. The 7mm version could hold up to 8-10 rounds, but could only hold five in 8mm, something we Brits should be grateful for. The action is very strong and locks at the forward end, resulting in a very long throw for the bolt handle. The round gives a lot of recoil and the G98K, being lighter that the WW1 rifle produces even more. I have both long and K versions. I consider them to be inferior to the Lee-Enfield as a infantry rifle.
Essentially, in the early part of the 20th century, The Germans built a hunting rifle, the Americans built a target rifle (but based on what the Germans had done) and the British did it properly and just built a battlefield rifle The Mauser action was conceived as the answer to providing a good hunting rifle that could handle a beefy round. Originally it was produced in 7x57 and used by the Boers. The Germans considered the 7mm a wussy cartridge and wanted it in 8mm for an infantry rifle. The 7mm version could hold up to 8-10 rounds, but could only hold five in 8mm, something we Brits should be grateful for. The action is very strong and locks at the forward end, resulting in a very long throw for the bolt handle. The round gives a lot of recoil and the G98K, being lighter that the WW1 rifle produces even more. I have both long and K versions. I consider them to be inferior to the Lee-Enfield as a infantry rifle.
As you say though, we should be grateful that the 98's only held 5 rounds as those 7.92x57 have a hell of a lot of hitting power. Although they made up for it in WW2 when they invented the MG42
aeropilot said:
Essentially, in the early part of the 20th century, The Germans built a hunting rifle, the Americans built a target rifle (but based on what the Germans had done) and the British did it properly and just built a battlefield rifle
That piece of wisdom was related to us apprentices when we went round the museum at Enfield. We had the free run of the place and played with all sorts of kit that otherwise we would never have seen. As well as the two Mausers, I have collection of 15 Enfields that keep me amused on the range.Saddle bum said:
As well as the two Mausers, I have collection of 15 Enfields that keep me amused on the range.
That's just being greedy 
I would love add a nice early SMLE, a trials No.4 and a L42 to the cabinet, but I suspect that I'll just have 'make do' with the No.4T and the No.5 I have now.
aeropilot said:
That's just being greedy
I would love add a nice early SMLE, a trials No.4 and a L42 to the cabinet, but I suspect that I'll just have 'make do' with the No.4T and the No.5 I have now.
Early SMLE? No prob. PM me.I would love add a nice early SMLE, a trials No.4 and a L42 to the cabinet, but I suspect that I'll just have 'make do' with the No.4T and the No.5 I have now.
I have an early No 4 with a cut-off. I will sell it in a few years.
My hammer and trigger pins came in a couple of days early. Fitted them, the safety selector and the grip while on a call. Gunsmithing, this isn't; one wrench to do up the castle nut on the receiver extension, a hex key and a soft faced hammer, job done.
Fun though.
This is a gun in the US:
Fun though.
This is a gun in the US:
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