The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
tuscaneer said:
by the way....watched AJ-history in the making last night. first class documentary as usual from sky. joshua was really interesting talking about the klitschko win. the slow mo analysis of the fight was first class....strongly recommend 
Yeah I watched that too. Very good. AJ is developing into the consummate professional he was very engaging and articulate I thought.
tuscaneer said:
yeah, it's common knowledge that he knocked joshua out in sparring and webbed haye from pillar to post when he was only a raw novice pro...certainly had all the tools
Another one? Has anyone not knocked out AJ in sparring 
He seems unlucky that all his partners kiss and tell.Will have to check out the documentary, sounds interesting.
Yiliterate said:
Growing rumours of Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz in October or November. Really hope this comes together; both in serious need of a 'proper' fight.
Has the mandatory been settled though. Stiverne wants the fight and is refusing cash to step aside, has hired lawyers specialising in this matter to take it legal.hyphen said:
Yiliterate said:
Growing rumours of Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz in October or November. Really hope this comes together; both in serious need of a 'proper' fight.
Has the mandatory been settled though. Stiverne wants the fight and is refusing cash to step aside, has hired lawyers specialising in this matter to take it legal.Personally, I'd guess that getting paid to step aside (with a guaranteed shot at the winner), coupled with a warm-up fight in the interim, would be the best financially for Stiverne and also give him a better chance of causing an upset when he gets his fight (bearing in mind he last fought in November 2015!). But there again, I'm not privy to the thinking of the Stiverne camp, so who knows...
If the fight comes off, I fancy Ortiz in that. Wilder has boxed intelligently in only one of his fights that I've seen and that was against Stiverne. Throwing his arms around like windmills will be a big no-no against a guy like Ortiz. The only way I see Wilder winning is if he has something in his arsenal that nobody has yet seen.
briangriffin said:
I'm pretty sure there's minimum purse bids for heavyweight title fights, not sure if it applies across a;l,organisations though.
Yeah, each body will have a minimum purse bid and set splits but they vary between sanctioning bodies. For example, WBA has a minimum heavyweight purse bid of $1m with a standard split of 75-25 (rather than 70-30 for the WBC); it is a similar split for the IBF but their minimum for a heavyweight title fight is only $200k...briangriffin said:
I'm sure it's a million dollars but yeah I suppose 300k minus tax and expenses isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things
Now let's say Stiverne can negotiate a payment of $100k to step aside...he's just increased his pay by a third (if purse bids came at their minimum level).Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 21st July 08:03
Yiliterate said:
No, still being negotiated apparently. It looks like there's very little TV interest in a Wilder-Stiverne rematch though, so it doesn't seem that it would be a lucrative fight for Stiverne (given he'd only be taking c.30% of purse as challenger anyway). In fairness, it probably wouldn't be any more lucrative if he were to fight the winner of Wilder-Ortiz either, but at least he could supplement that by being paid to step aside. Of course, he could make bigger money by regaining the title (especially if that opens the door to a unification with Joshua or possibly Klitschko down the line), but his first fight with Wilder wasn't exactly close and he's only fought once since then; whereas Wilder has been continued to progress with a few defences against some solid (if not stellar) opponents. As such, it doesn't really seem like Wilder is just a sitting duck and the key for Stiverne is to get there before anyone else does.
Personally, I'd guess that getting paid to step aside (with a guaranteed shot at the winner), coupled with a warm-up fight in the interim, would be the best financially for Stiverne and also give him a better chance of causing an upset when he gets his fight (bearing in mind he last fought in November 2015!). But there again, I'm not privy to the thinking of the Stiverne camp, so who knows...
So Stiverne apparently missed a random drugs test in the past, and Wilder's side is trying use this to invalidate his position as Mandatory.Personally, I'd guess that getting paid to step aside (with a guaranteed shot at the winner), coupled with a warm-up fight in the interim, would be the best financially for Stiverne and also give him a better chance of causing an upset when he gets his fight (bearing in mind he last fought in November 2015!). But there again, I'm not privy to the thinking of the Stiverne camp, so who knows...
Meanwhile Ortiz's team is going legal on Joshua, as the WBA mandatory is due before the IBF, however Joshua would rather fight Pulev if Wlad doesn't rematch.
I have no idea who is going to fight who and when!
Yiliterate said:
Paul Butler, former IBF Bantamweight world champion, has just split from Queensbury promotions. With Matchroom fighters Ryan Burnett and Jamie McDonnell holding Butler's old belt and the WBA regular Bantamweight title respectively, and Kal Yafai holding the WBA Super Flyweight title (a division Butler has boxed in as well), along with Hearn's willingness to match fighters from his stable, it wouldn't be a massive shock if he ends up there with an eye on a title shot before the year is out...
Looks like this is happening:http://www.ringsidefightingnews.com/paul-butler-ne...
hyphen said:
So Stiverne apparently missed a random drugs test in the past, and Wilder's side is trying use this to invalidate his position as Mandatory.
Meanwhile Ortiz's team is going legal on Joshua, as the WBA mandatory is due before the IBF, however Joshua would rather fight Pulev if Wlad doesn't rematch.
I have no idea who is going to fight who and when!
Stiverne didn't miss it, he failed it! But he's failed it less times that Povetkin - the guy he was supposed to fight in a final eliminator - so the mandatory position is his. You can see the logic...Meanwhile Ortiz's team is going legal on Joshua, as the WBA mandatory is due before the IBF, however Joshua would rather fight Pulev if Wlad doesn't rematch.
I have no idea who is going to fight who and when!
Mistake from Wlad IMO, although I'm not surprised he is taking the fight.
He earned a huge amount of respect from people who were definitely not his biggest fans (including myself) for the first fight, he was in the best shape he has been in for many, many years and gave us all a memorable performance.
As much as AJ silenced a lot of critics with the win, he too heavy, got complacent in the 5th round and punched himself out, which nearly cost him.
Thing is though, with all that said- he still smashed Wlad to pieces in the 11th round, and showed he has incredible resilience and strength.
Only one outcome this time round, a clinical and brutal KO. AJ will only get better and be even more ruthless now he knows he can hurt and beat his former mentor.
Wlad will pocket another 15 million probably but will retire with 3 consecutive loses on his record, two of which will be very punishing ones.
Having said all that, this is still easily the toughest fight out there for AJ. Even at 41+ years of age an in shape Wlad is five times the fighter Wilder, Pulev, Whyte, Parker, Ortiz is. I don't see him having any problems at all with those names after he overcomes this next hurdle, AJ/Wlad are on another level to the other champions/contenders.
He earned a huge amount of respect from people who were definitely not his biggest fans (including myself) for the first fight, he was in the best shape he has been in for many, many years and gave us all a memorable performance.
As much as AJ silenced a lot of critics with the win, he too heavy, got complacent in the 5th round and punched himself out, which nearly cost him.
Thing is though, with all that said- he still smashed Wlad to pieces in the 11th round, and showed he has incredible resilience and strength.
Only one outcome this time round, a clinical and brutal KO. AJ will only get better and be even more ruthless now he knows he can hurt and beat his former mentor.
Wlad will pocket another 15 million probably but will retire with 3 consecutive loses on his record, two of which will be very punishing ones.
Having said all that, this is still easily the toughest fight out there for AJ. Even at 41+ years of age an in shape Wlad is five times the fighter Wilder, Pulev, Whyte, Parker, Ortiz is. I don't see him having any problems at all with those names after he overcomes this next hurdle, AJ/Wlad are on another level to the other champions/contenders.
Chad_Hugo said:
Mistake from Wlad IMO, although I'm not surprised he is taking the fight.
He earned a huge amount of respect from people who were definitely not his biggest fans (including myself) for the first fight, he was in the best shape he has been in for many, many years and gave us all a memorable performance.
As much as AJ silenced a lot of critics with the win, he too heavy, got complacent in the 5th round and punched himself out, which nearly cost him.
Thing is though, with all that said- he still smashed Wlad to pieces in the 11th round, and showed he has incredible resilience and strength.
Only one outcome this time round, a clinical and brutal KO. AJ will only get better and be even more ruthless now he knows he can hurt and beat his former mentor.
Wlad will pocket another 15 million probably but will retire with 3 consecutive loses on his record, two of which will be very punishing ones.
Having said all that, this is still easily the toughest fight out there for AJ. Even at 41+ years of age an in shape Wlad is five times the fighter Wilder, Pulev, Whyte, Parker, Ortiz is. I don't see him having any problems at all with those names after he overcomes this next hurdle, AJ/Wlad are on another level to the other champions/contenders.
for the record i see the rematch going the way of the first fight HOWEVER i see exactly WHY wladimir is taking it. he was controlling the distance and tempo or the fight with the jab but for some reason just didn't pull the trigger in the sixth when joshua looked to be out on his feet.....he must watch that back and think to himself "what a prick i was"....at the time of the stoppage he was ahead.....he must fancy his chances in the rematch....42 years old or not...He earned a huge amount of respect from people who were definitely not his biggest fans (including myself) for the first fight, he was in the best shape he has been in for many, many years and gave us all a memorable performance.
As much as AJ silenced a lot of critics with the win, he too heavy, got complacent in the 5th round and punched himself out, which nearly cost him.
Thing is though, with all that said- he still smashed Wlad to pieces in the 11th round, and showed he has incredible resilience and strength.
Only one outcome this time round, a clinical and brutal KO. AJ will only get better and be even more ruthless now he knows he can hurt and beat his former mentor.
Wlad will pocket another 15 million probably but will retire with 3 consecutive loses on his record, two of which will be very punishing ones.
Having said all that, this is still easily the toughest fight out there for AJ. Even at 41+ years of age an in shape Wlad is five times the fighter Wilder, Pulev, Whyte, Parker, Ortiz is. I don't see him having any problems at all with those names after he overcomes this next hurdle, AJ/Wlad are on another level to the other champions/contenders.
if it was me??.....i'd be thinking "this kid is only going to get better, i'm even older....i'm up there with joe louis in terms of length of reign...f
k this st i'm off to play golf"
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