The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[tuscaneer]

i've been in derry's this morning pal and there was not one single person in that gym saw it as anything but a clear win for golovkin......


but i think we've done this to death now !!

[JLC25]

Lots of boxing over the weekend - Here's what I think:

Saunders fight was a really, really boring snooze fest. He did come out on top in a match where it was hard to look good, but not as slick as I thought he would be. Not sure about fighting Khan but he's not getting GGG or Canelo so needs to stay active. Match up with Lemeiux would be nice to say his ability (and ability to take a dig) and what was meant to be anyway.

GGG Canelo scoring is bad. I had GGG by 2 round being generous to Canelo - I can see some people may give another for the draw - but for me the constant pressure from Golovkin took close rounds. Controlled the ring much better. I had 116-112 to GGG, 115-113 would be good as well. 118-110 is outrageous either way for me.

I don't want Haye Bellew again. I don't care about Rio Ferdinand.

[CAH706]

What do we think about the weekend?

Can't see Campbell getting much joy against Linares who is a real class operator.

Fury v Parker is an interesting one. Everything I see says Parker wins but I wouldn't feel confident to bet on it.

[JuniorD]

So Jamie Moore is Carl Frampton's new trainer and he's now signed an advisory deal with with Matthew Macklin's outfit MTK Global.

http://www.the42.ie/carl-frampton-8-3605515-Sep201...

I don't know why, and I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling this will not end up the way he dreams it to be.

[dom9]

CAH706 said:

Fury v Parker is an interesting one. Everything I see says Parker wins but I wouldn't feel confident to bet on it.

Forgot this was on this weekend, with all the excitement recently... Now missed the Early Bird pricing!

[tuscaneer]

don't forget kudryashov v dorticos this saturday as well!!

[Yiliterate]

CAH706 said:

What do we think about the weekend?

Can't see Campbell getting much joy against Linares who is a real class operator.

Fury v Parker is an interesting one. Everything I see says Parker wins but I wouldn't feel confident to bet on it.

Odds are against him, but I wouldn't rule out Campbell...he's come on a massive amount since the loss to Mendy. Maybe, just maybe, he's catching Linares at the right time too. He looked great against Crolla but those were two pretty tough fights and at 32 with a long career behind him, he can't carry on forever...

[272BHP]

Yiliterate said:

Odds are against him, but I wouldn't rule out Campbell...he's come on a massive amount since the loss to Mendy. Maybe, just maybe, he's catching Linares at the right time too. He looked great against Crolla but those were two pretty tough fights and at 32 with a long career behind him, he can't carry on forever...

Looking forward to Campbell vs Linares, shame its on overseas and at stupid o clock again. Eddie should have got Linares back over here.

I don't think Luke was right against Mendy as there was definitely something missing that night. I am looking forward to a corking fight - Luke is tougher than he looks and will give it a good go.

[tuscaneer]

i think luke might do better than crolla did you know.....also looking forward to crolla burns as well

[Yiliterate]

272BHP said:

I don't think Luke was right against Mendy as there was definitely something missing that night.

Possibly...I just got the feeling that Mendy showed Campbell to be a tad one-dimensional and he ended up looking a little short of ideas in that fight. It could be because he was having an off-night, or it could be that it was that step-up in class away from domestic level to fringe world level. I'd certainly say there's been a distinct development in his offence since then, particularly in his body attack (tusc posted on here about Derry Mathews showing him a particular shot that Campbell used to great effect against him!).

[tuscaneer]

got to agree there...that loss was probably the best thing to happen to him at that point because he certainly seems to have improved a lot since then..wicked,wicked body attack on that lad. and watching his speed live up close was crazy. i had to watch it again when i got home because i missed most of it!

[tuscaneer]

not going on about it but the guy that made that list i put up has continued to add opinions to it so though some might be interested in the updated version....

OFFICIAL CARDS
Dave Moretti --------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Don Trella -----------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Adelaide Byrd -------------------------------> 118-110 Canelo

• **************************************************

Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #1 ------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Kelly Pavlik ---------------------------------> 117-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Devon Alexander --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Al Bernstein -------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Bunce (BoxNation) ----------------> 116-112 GGG
Tom Loeffler ------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Michael Woods (Ring) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Nigel Collins (ESPN) ----------------------> 116-112 GGG
Cliff Rold ----------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bad Left Hook Writer #2 -----------------> 116-112 GGG
John A. MacDonald (Boxing Monthly) ---> 116-112 GGG
Ron Lewis (The Times) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Daniel Cormier (UFC) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Matt Christie (Boxing News) -------------> 116-113 GGG
Barry Jones (BoxNation) -----------------> 116-113 GGG
Adam Booth -------------------------------> 116-114 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Chavez Jr -----------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Juan Manuel Marquez ----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Marc Livitz (SecondsOut) ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) -------> 115-113 GGG
Ed Robinson (Sky Sports) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #2 ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Tom Gray (Ring) ---------------------------> 115-114 GGG
Max Kellerman -----------------------------> Golovkin
Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin
Shane Mosley ------------------------------> Golovkin
Austin Trout --------------------------------> Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi --------------------------> Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin
Scott Cardle --------------------------------> Golvokin
Terence Crawford ---------------------------> Golovkin
Reece Bellotti ------------------------------> Golvokin
Liam Smith ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Peter Quillin --------------------------------> Golovkin
Liam Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Ohara Davies -------------------------------> Golovkin
Luke Campbell -----------------------------> Golovkin
Dave Coldwell ------------------------------> Golovkin
Badou Jack ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Kevin Kelly (boxer) -------------------------> Golovkin
Steve Kim -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Doug Fischer --------------------------------> Golovkin
Ring TV guy (name?) ----------------------> Golvokin
Cornelius Bundrage ------------------------> Golovkin
Gabriel Rosado ------------------------------> Golovkin
Kal Yafai -------------------------------------> Golovkin
Julian Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Vanes Martirosyan --------------------------> Golovkin
Michael Montero ----------------------------> Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin
Joe Rogan (UFC) ----------------------------> Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ------------> Golovkin
Kovalev -------------------------------------> Golvokin
Danny Jacobs -------------------------------> Golovkin
Murat Gassiev ------------------------------> Golovkin
Johnny Nelson ------------------------------> Golovkin
Rosie Perez ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Lou DiBella ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Tony Jeffries --------------------------------> Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) -------------> Golovkin
Dave Allen ----------------------------------> Golovkin
Joseph Parker ------------------------------> Golovkin
Bob Arum ----------------------------------> Golovkin
Fernando Schwarz (Fox Sports Mexico) --> Golovkin
Sportsbook 1 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 2 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 3 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 4 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 5 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 6 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Sportsbook 7 ------------------------------> Golovkin
Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub) --------------> Golovkin
Ana Julaton --------------------------------> Golovkin
John Buccigross (ESPN) -------------------> Golovkin
Nonito Donaire -----------------------------> Golovkin
Leo Santa Cruz ----------------------------> Golovkin
Fernando Vargas ---------------------------> Golovkin
Michael Bisping (UFC) ---------------------> Golovkin
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes) --------> 115-115 Draw
Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
Associated Press --------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Kenny Porter ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Peter Fury ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Tommy Hearns ----------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Joe Cortez ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Liam Happe (Yahoo Sport UK) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) ---> 114-114 Draw
Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Brian Kenny (MLB Network) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Eric Rasken (HBO) -----------------------> 114-114 Draw
Danny Flexen (British Boxers) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO) ------------------> 114-114 Draw
David Greisman (former writer) ---------> 114-114 Draw
George Foreman --------------------------> 114-114 Draw (supposedly said)
Unnamed writer (Unnamed site #3) -----> 114-114 Draw
Robert Garcia ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Danny Howard (Boxing Tribune) ---------> 115-114 Canelo
De La Hoya --------------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Bernard Hopkins --------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Gilbert Mendoza (President of WBA) -----> 115-113 Canelo
Coach Anthony ----------------------------> 116-112 Canelo
Erik Morales -------------------------------> 117-111 Canelo (think he said; see video page 3)
Chavez Sr ---------------------------------> Canelo
Sergio Mora -------------------------------> Canelo

Link to CompuBox (includes round-by-round data; scroll down):
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/l...golovkin-wor...

CompuBox ------> GGG landed about 50 more punches in the fight
CompuBox ------> GGG landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds
CompuBox ------> Canelo landed more power shots in 7 of the 12 rounds

My scorecard = 8-4/9-3 for GGG in the bout.
[116-112 or 117-111 for GGG]

I'll continue to add scorecards as people post them or I find them.

TOTALS through post #175 of the thread

114 = GGG won
021 = Draw
008 = Canelo won [includes 2 Golden Boy promoters]

114/143 = 80% had GGG winning the fight.
021/143 = 15% had a draw.
008/143 = 05% had Canelo winning the fight.

[Fas1975]

Just heard about Jake LaMotta's passing:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/...

RIP. One of the legends of the game

[tuscaneer]

Fas1975 said:

Just heard about Jake LaMotta's passing:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/...

RIP. One of the legends of the game

gutted....one of the best middleweights to ever lace them up....it's a pleasure to say that years ago i met the guy at a dinner event. lovely bloke and seemed to genuinely enjoy talking about his fight with marcel cerdan and had the good grace to admit had cerdan not injured his arm early in the fight he would likely have been beaten.

[Robatr0n]

Just read that. Such a shame.

[gadgetmac]

tuscaneer said:

Fas1975 said:

Just heard about Jake LaMotta's passing:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/...

RIP. One of the legends of the game

gutted....one of the best middleweights to ever lace them up....it's a pleasure to say that years ago i met the guy at a dinner event. lovely bloke and seemed to genuinely enjoy talking about his fight with marcel cerdan and had the good grace to admit had cerdan not injured his arm early in the fight he would likely have been beaten.

I knew his daughter 30 years ago, lovely lady.

[FredClogs]

Sad news, a true legend of the sport, to be fair his greatest achievement seems to be getting to 95! Won his first world title in 1949!

[briangriffin]

Was gutted to hear that earlier too! Rest in Piece Champ! One of the greats!

I believe he was the oldest living world champion. Any idea who replaces him?

[Amirhussain]

For you Tusc

https://instagram.com/p/BZOwVqwl_6U/

[tuscaneer]

gadgetmac said:

I knew his daughter 30 years ago, lovely lady.

was she living over here or were you over there pal?

i found out the night i met him he'd lost one of his sons in a plane crash apparently.
meeting and talking to him it was hard to align the lovely old fella in front of me with the bad , bad man he'd been earlier in his life.