The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
The issue of TBI is looming large in a few sports, the NFL and NHL have essentially bought themself some time but what happens there will probably be the watershed moment for all combat sports, once cases have been won and the law is set it'll be very hard to argue against. Rugby, football, wrestling and obviously boxing are going to have to address it at some point. The most worrying thing is there is a strong correlation between certain genes and TBI which shows certain people are immensely susceptible, where as other seem largely unaffected by quite huge exposure, stand up Mr Eubank Snr etc...
But... You know, it must be some kind of prehistoric throw back, because the lure will always be there.
But... You know, it must be some kind of prehistoric throw back, because the lure will always be there.
if i'm being totally honest mate, my headguard hardly ever comes out of my kit bag....because the intention is never war, but you know how it is...things escalate sometimes and in the heat of the moment you are hardly going to call a stop to hostilities so you can get your headguard on!
i'm 43 in a few weeks though, and i am starting to re think a few things....
i'm 43 in a few weeks though, and i am starting to re think a few things....
Yiliterate said:
Some interesting points there mate. Personally, I think Rigo has reached that stage where he simply doesn’t give a s
t anymore. He was almost certainly one of the top 5, if not top 3, greatest amateur boxers of all time; but, as a Cuban, his greatest material reward for such an achievement was a base spec Mitsubishi given to him by Castro (not to be sneezed at by Cuban standards, but compare and contrast with how he would have been treated if, say, he’d achieved similar in an GB vest). An aborted defection led to him being ostracised within his own community, most importantly by the Cuban boxing community for fear of state retribution and, when he finally defected for good, he left his wife and young son behind in Cuba, not knowing when he would see them again.
As a pro, his talents have been ridiculously under-appreciated, particularly by sections of the US boxing media, despite being acknowledged as one of the pound-for-pound best. This has significantly undermined his marketability; in turn, no big names at Super-Bantamweight have wanted to touch him with a bargepole after Donaire, hence missing out on big fights with the likes of Santa Cruz, Frampton, Quigg, etc (also, I wouldn’t like to bet his ‘representation’ has been of the highest calibre for much of his career either). So, at the age of 37 and having spent the best years of his pro career inactive or taking low profile fights for relative peanuts, the only realistic option for him to secure something approaching a big fight/payday is to put himself at a significant disadvantage by stepping up two weight divisions (not forgetting he’s not a particularly big Super-Bantamweight either) to take on arguably the best fighter on the face of the planet.
In all honesty, I think he’d come to the conclusion after three or four rounds that he wasn’t going to win, but he’d still be getting paid so he really didn’t give a stuff what the consequences for his reputation would be for quitting. He wasn’t hurt and wasn’t really humiliated and he might still be able to make a few more quid off his Super-Bantamweight title…time for him to look after himself. And, having gone through all that, I’m not sure I blame him either…
totally agree pal.....i'd like to know how much he actually got paid for that fight at the weekend.....i can't believe it wasn't even in the main garden arena!!!!t anymore. He was almost certainly one of the top 5, if not top 3, greatest amateur boxers of all time; but, as a Cuban, his greatest material reward for such an achievement was a base spec Mitsubishi given to him by Castro (not to be sneezed at by Cuban standards, but compare and contrast with how he would have been treated if, say, he’d achieved similar in an GB vest). An aborted defection led to him being ostracised within his own community, most importantly by the Cuban boxing community for fear of state retribution and, when he finally defected for good, he left his wife and young son behind in Cuba, not knowing when he would see them again.As a pro, his talents have been ridiculously under-appreciated, particularly by sections of the US boxing media, despite being acknowledged as one of the pound-for-pound best. This has significantly undermined his marketability; in turn, no big names at Super-Bantamweight have wanted to touch him with a bargepole after Donaire, hence missing out on big fights with the likes of Santa Cruz, Frampton, Quigg, etc (also, I wouldn’t like to bet his ‘representation’ has been of the highest calibre for much of his career either). So, at the age of 37 and having spent the best years of his pro career inactive or taking low profile fights for relative peanuts, the only realistic option for him to secure something approaching a big fight/payday is to put himself at a significant disadvantage by stepping up two weight divisions (not forgetting he’s not a particularly big Super-Bantamweight either) to take on arguably the best fighter on the face of the planet.
In all honesty, I think he’d come to the conclusion after three or four rounds that he wasn’t going to win, but he’d still be getting paid so he really didn’t give a stuff what the consequences for his reputation would be for quitting. He wasn’t hurt and wasn’t really humiliated and he might still be able to make a few more quid off his Super-Bantamweight title…time for him to look after himself. And, having gone through all that, I’m not sure I blame him either…
down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
hyphen said:
This was also the subject of the link i posted last week, rules vary and some states insist on post fight scans and some don't. Regular scans should be made compulsory.
the scary thing is the unlicensed circuit.....when i did it it was completely unchecked from top to bottom....It’s a very hard thing to discuss sometime I think as I’ve only had a few fights and spar a few times a month and then you see somebody like Jake Lamotta rea h his 90’s in good health and see how many fights and wars he had. I’m extremely unfit in comparison of when I fought a few years back and perhaps I’d say I should be sparring less when I’m unfit. My gym is pretty good though and everyone has a good gauge of everyone’s limitations so nobody it taking advantage or going to hard. Good because we have a couple of decent female fighters at present.
It’s a case of the head trauma can affect people differently which I assume comes down to genetics and luck in some way. Johnny Owen for example I believe was found to have a thinner than average skull and it is believed that this contributed to his death. The pros these days have yearly brain scans I think and I’ve seen that Mike Towells family have been raising money for ringside scanners which can only be a good thing.
I wonder what the policy is for the pros following a KO loss? I think a 3 week ban but beyond that I’m not sure what else they have to do? Whether a scan is mandatory?
It’s a case of the head trauma can affect people differently which I assume comes down to genetics and luck in some way. Johnny Owen for example I believe was found to have a thinner than average skull and it is believed that this contributed to his death. The pros these days have yearly brain scans I think and I’ve seen that Mike Towells family have been raising money for ringside scanners which can only be a good thing.
I wonder what the policy is for the pros following a KO loss? I think a 3 week ban but beyond that I’m not sure what else they have to do? Whether a scan is mandatory?
tuscaneer said:
the scary thing is the unlicensed circuit.....when i did it it was completely unchecked from top to bottom....
I did the white collar stuff too but also went to a few ABA shows and there wasn’t much difference in the pre fight medical from what I saw. The only difference was being carded and knowing for certain how many fights the opponent had had. My first opponent definitely wasn’t on his 2nd bout as they’d stated before the show. The white collar/kickboxing shows do seem to run a lot more smoothly than any ABA show I’ve ever been to though.
briangriffin said:
tuscaneer said:
the scary thing is the unlicensed circuit.....when i did it it was completely unchecked from top to bottom....
I did the white collar stuff too but also went to a few ABA shows and there wasn’t much difference in the pre fight medical from what I saw. The only difference was being carded and knowing for certain how many fights the opponent had had. My first opponent definitely wasn’t on his 2nd bout as they’d stated before the show. The white collar/kickboxing shows do seem to run a lot more smoothly than any ABA show I’ve ever been to though.
yeah, at least to get carded you are basically saying you aren't on any medication or have anything wrong that would stop you from boxing....so there's some onus of responsibility
in theory i could have been epileptic , could have been juicing my tits off....f
k me , i could even have had aids!!.... now that's a scary thought
Having had a few bouts as a schoolboy I decided to go to a boxing class sparring was with no headgaurds sparred this guy who decided to try to take my head off(he knew id boxed before and used to spar his uncle).I feel ashamed to admit I froze but what got me was the coach just let it go it made me realise how some fighters can get badly damaged sparring that's normally where the wear and tear is created and the damage is done.It is a shame that 3 of the super series super middles have either been involved in fights where opponents have been hurt or possibly been damaged in the process like skogland.
Also does anyone know how Nick Blackwell Is getting on ? I'm assuming it cant be that good otherwise we would have had an update its tragic that like spencer Oliver he seemed to have recovered pretty well only to be tempted back into the ring even though it was just sparring obviously the other guy had little regard for his safety.
coolchris said:
Also does anyone know how Nick Blackwell Is getting on ? I'm assuming it cant be that good otherwise we would have had an update its tragic that like spencer Oliver he seemed to have recovered pretty well only to be tempted back into the ring even though it was just sparring obviously the other guy had little regard for his safety.
Nick is doing better. While he's continuing to recover it sounds like he should at least have a decent quality of life. It still blows my mind that he sparred again after his first brush with death. Madness!https://youtu.be/ZiRmxZc73oI?t=246
Meldrick Taylor 51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m93FQvlu0U
James Toney 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vv7kZjFSLE
Bare in mind Toney fought in a white collar event in Scotland at the end of November.
God knows what will happen to Robin Deakin, no UK license so fights in Spain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgkjRZTbu-Q
Oh, he's 31 by the way and the list of these unfortunate souls goes on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m93FQvlu0U
James Toney 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vv7kZjFSLE
Bare in mind Toney fought in a white collar event in Scotland at the end of November.
God knows what will happen to Robin Deakin, no UK license so fights in Spain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgkjRZTbu-Q
Oh, he's 31 by the way and the list of these unfortunate souls goes on.
tuscaneer said:
totally agree pal.....i'd like to know how much he actually got paid for that fight at the weekend.....i can't believe it wasn't even in the main garden arena!!!!
down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
Absolutely. He might have his critics but I’m pretty sure if Eddie Hearn was promoting it, it wouldn’t have been relegated to the MSG ‘Theater’...down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
tuscaneer said:
totally agree pal.....i'd like to know how much he actually got paid for that fight at the weekend.....i can't believe it wasn't even in the main garden arena!!!!
down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
Just seen this...Gary Hyde reckons $400k, and I’d be willing to bet what actually ends up in Rigo’s pocket is a sizeable chunk less than that...down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
http://www.irish-boxing.com/73968-2/?utm_source=rs...
I didn’t realise that Fury’s defence for the doping enquiry was eating non castrated wild boar.
A defence that had been used before by a professional cyclist.
Fury turns up in great shape for the VK fight after a diet of ‘wild boar’?
I always though he looked out of shape in his fights before then.
Odd.
A defence that had been used before by a professional cyclist.
Fury turns up in great shape for the VK fight after a diet of ‘wild boar’?
I always though he looked out of shape in his fights before then.
Odd.
Yiliterate said:
tuscaneer said:
totally agree pal.....i'd like to know how much he actually got paid for that fight at the weekend.....i can't believe it wasn't even in the main garden arena!!!!
down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
Just seen this...Gary Hyde reckons $400k, and I’d be willing to bet what actually ends up in Rigo’s pocket is a sizeable chunk less than that...down in the basement for those 2!!!... i was shocked to be honest
http://www.irish-boxing.com/73968-2/?utm_source=rs...
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