The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
Yiliterate said:
The two main independent (i.e. non-sanctioning) boxing ranking organisations - Ring Magazine and Transnational Boxing Rankings Board - had Eubank #4 and #3 respectively in their world rankings for the Super-Middleweight division, with each ranking Groves at #2, behind WBO champ Ramirez, who has just had a fairly routine defence over a not especially highly ranked opponent. As such, it’s very likely that Groves will become #1 ranked Super-Middleweight with both those organisations as a result of his win on Saturday...
TBRB promoted Groves to #1 earlier in the week and have just seen Ring Magazine have done so as well...https://www.ringtv.com/529264-ring-ratings-update-...
smith was on a hiding to nothing there really.....blast him out in 1 and so what, he's a kickboxer....take him the 12 and everyone is let down....it was obvious the guy had a great chin and was uber aggressive. .....so the best plan was to move backwards to create the space then pepper him with shots...smith put on a jabbing masterclass but there was plenty of shot variety coming behind the money shot that was setting up everything else..
i was shocked at the size difference between smith and groves at the end!
i think the final should be a very evenly contested fight....defo a battle of the jabs to establish control...both lads can bang proper hard....i think at the moment the momentum is with groves and i can see him nicking it by a couple of rounds..
i was shocked at the size difference between smith and groves at the end!
i think the final should be a very evenly contested fight....defo a battle of the jabs to establish control...both lads can bang proper hard....i think at the moment the momentum is with groves and i can see him nicking it by a couple of rounds..
Apparently, Callum Smith broke/damaged his hand over the weekend, so very likely the final will be delayed...not much credibility in calling in two substitutes for the final! 
My main concern for Smith is that he heads into the final (and his first world title shot) with practically no experience in fighting world level opponents...not only hasn’t he been in with any ex-champions, I think only one of his opponents to date has even challenged for a world title. It’s a real pity because a fight with someone like Braehmer would have been ideal preparation in that respect.
I believe Smith has the tools to become world champion but I’d say Groves is probably the toughest route there for him at present. Groves not only has a lot of experience at this level (which the other belt-holders don’t) but also the ring intelligence to make it count...and though heading towards the latter part of his career, after last Saturday’s performance it’s hard to make a case that Smith would be catching Groves ‘at the right time’ (unless the shoulder injury turns out to have a more long-lasting impact).
I still think Smith has a reasonable chance of winning as/when they fight; I just feel having been in with Braehmer beforehand would have enhanced those chances...
My main concern for Smith is that he heads into the final (and his first world title shot) with practically no experience in fighting world level opponents...not only hasn’t he been in with any ex-champions, I think only one of his opponents to date has even challenged for a world title. It’s a real pity because a fight with someone like Braehmer would have been ideal preparation in that respect.
I believe Smith has the tools to become world champion but I’d say Groves is probably the toughest route there for him at present. Groves not only has a lot of experience at this level (which the other belt-holders don’t) but also the ring intelligence to make it count...and though heading towards the latter part of his career, after last Saturday’s performance it’s hard to make a case that Smith would be catching Groves ‘at the right time’ (unless the shoulder injury turns out to have a more long-lasting impact).
I still think Smith has a reasonable chance of winning as/when they fight; I just feel having been in with Braehmer beforehand would have enhanced those chances...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 26th February 07:49
Yiliterate said:
Apparently, Callum Smith broke/damaged his hand over the weekend, so very likely the final will be delayed...not much credibility in calling in two substitutes for the final!
eubank v holzken.... kind of cheapens the act somewhatEdited by Yiliterate on Monday 26th February 07:49
just seen this...wasn't aware he had died, just saw that he had been taken to hospital...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/43196287
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/43196287
tuscaneer said:
just seen this...wasn't aware he had died, just saw that he had been taken to hospital...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/43196287
Devestating news...only read about Westgarth being hospitalised earlier this morning...shocking.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/43196287
i know we say it every time....but it does make me feel very uncomfortable. i wonder if something can be changed somehow? i have no idea what as i'm not even sure where the root lies..is it rehydration times not being sufficient? should the gloves be heavier? lighter , even?....is it the sustained nature of headshots with 10oz gloves?...would stoppages be cleaner if the gloves were 6 oz?...MMA gloves are only 4oz and there doesn't seem to be as many casualties in that sport....then again, emphasis is far less on head shots with the overall game.
tuscaneer said:
i know we say it every time....but it does make me feel very uncomfortable. i wonder if something can be changed somehow? i have no idea what as i'm not even sure where the root lies..is it rehydration times not being sufficient? should the gloves be heavier? lighter , even?....is it the sustained nature of headshots with 10oz gloves?...would stoppages be cleaner if the gloves were 6 oz?...MMA gloves are only 4oz and there doesn't seem to be as many casualties in that sport....then again, emphasis is far less on head shots with the overall game.
Don't know what caused this death and how to prevent, but there have been numerous calls over recent years for compulsory regular brain scans, including during camp, pre-flight and post fight (currently I think it is only annual). Shocking that the boxing boards have still not acted on this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/37718527
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-towells...
This boxer retired after taking a voluntary brain scan, if he had instead stuck his head in the sand he could become another statistic https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/boxing/he...
Edited by hyphen on Monday 26th February 10:17
Such terrible news. The last few years has been a bad run for boxing. I think lighter gloves would be better. Bare knuckle boxers had hundreds of fights. They turned their faces to butchers blocks but they weren't having the issues we see these days. Also fear of damaging your hands leads to reluctance in throwing so many fully loaded up shots. Skoglund nearly died in sparring FFS.
Also we know a quick response is essential with these things. I haven't seen the post fight interview but he was said to be in obvious pain. Was the usual medical assistance on hand as per larger more mainstream promotions? Most damage can be mitigated by inducing the fighter into a coma ASAP then operating to release blood and pressure from under the skull.
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