The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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lord trumpton said:
Having never really watched much of Fury up until the wlad fight...How's his chin? Has he ever fought a big hitter/took a few straighteners?
I remember watching him against 'Big' John McDermott, bit more entertaining than last weekends bout and a decisive win for McDermott... shame the ref didn't think so!As said, Frampton produced the class and Fury gets the headlines. Heavyweight boxing has no draw for me other than mild curiosity.
I just can't see how Fury avoids a big shot during the fight given the speed, levers and unorthodox punches Wilder throws. Fury is quick but not the Ali quick that some people make him out to be.
Fury has an average chin but Wilder hits like a mule and will KO anyone if he catches them.
Wilder KO win for me especially as I think Fury is still a couple of fights away from his best.... Which I still don't think would be good enough.
Fair play to both for getting the fight on though.
Fury has an average chin but Wilder hits like a mule and will KO anyone if he catches them.
Wilder KO win for me especially as I think Fury is still a couple of fights away from his best.... Which I still don't think would be good enough.
Fair play to both for getting the fight on though.
Eddie Hearn must be kicking himself over this. Should Wilder KO Fury as most think he will, then Wilder will rightfully be able to demand much more than he supposedly agreed to when they last spoke about Wilder vs AJ. Should Fury pull off another shock, then AJ-Wilder is pointless. AJ vs Fury would still be a big fight though, but not as big as AJ-Wilder could be.
For what it's worth, I reckon Fury is destroyed by Wilder inside 5 rounds. A straight right hand will knock him straight on his back.
For what it's worth, I reckon Fury is destroyed by Wilder inside 5 rounds. A straight right hand will knock him straight on his back.
t. It's far too soon for Wilder. CAH706 said:
I just can't see how Fury avoids a big shot during the fight given the speed, levers and unorthodox punches Wilder throws. Fury is quick but not the Ali quick that some people make him out to be.
Fury has an average chin but Wilder hits like a mule and will KO anyone if he catches them.
Wilder KO win for me especially as I think Fury is still a couple of fights away from his best.... Which I still don't think would be good enough.
Fair play to both for getting the fight on though.
This... Fury has an average chin but Wilder hits like a mule and will KO anyone if he catches them.
Wilder KO win for me especially as I think Fury is still a couple of fights away from his best.... Which I still don't think would be good enough.
Fair play to both for getting the fight on though.
Once Wilder works that very little is coming back from Fury he'll start to let the big shots go and it'll be game over.
Say what you like about Fury and I'm not the fellas biggest fan I do believe he's very hard to hit clean, and whilst Deontay might have serious knock out power when he starts milling I'm pretty sure without a proper clean shot down the pipe Fury won't go over and Deontay may well be all done by round 6, if you go back and watch the Ortiz fight (who is a cute boxer for his size but no where as agile as Fury (or big)) Wilder didn't exactly look flawless and could have been finished a couple of times.
Go back and watch Fury Chisora, maybe not the best Dell boy ever but he wasn't far from prime and an extremely dangerous, aggressive and relentless fighter, Fury makes him look silly at times.
If I had to bet I'd say Fury comes through this and fights Joshua in the spring.
Go back and watch Fury Chisora, maybe not the best Dell boy ever but he wasn't far from prime and an extremely dangerous, aggressive and relentless fighter, Fury makes him look silly at times.
If I had to bet I'd say Fury comes through this and fights Joshua in the spring.
I'm veering towards Wilder, Fury has no KO power (from what I've seen), and Wilder is a lot faster than Wlad so if he is willing to take a shot to land a shot then could come good.
Tyson could take it on points, but he will have been through a war for it.
A 50-50 fight though, so who knows.
Tyson could take it on points, but he will have been through a war for it.
A 50-50 fight though, so who knows.
There are a lot of short memories in here. Derek Chisora. A few weeks ago he was being mentioned in every possible title fight, go back a little while and Fury absolutely battered him, he switched to southpaw early on, easy win. Like him or not, he's the best inside fighter we have. He's faster and moves better than Joshua but because he isn't cut like a greek god and also the obvious 3.14 connections, he is not popular. For me, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. He's had more seeded opponents than probably Joshua and Chisora put together, been around boxing since he was a child. He came out of the same gyms, but he's not fashionable, doesn't have the kudos.
The thing is, Joshua ducked Wilder, he's scared of him, despite the fact I reckon he'd beat him. Fury beats Wilder then his stock goes high, he loses, he's ok, the critics will applaud the effort and say he wasn't ready.
Don't dismiss him. Wilder is a one trick pony and Fury has beaten way better. The most awkward and unorthadox heavyweight in the division, I can't wait for the fight myself.
The thing is, Joshua ducked Wilder, he's scared of him, despite the fact I reckon he'd beat him. Fury beats Wilder then his stock goes high, he loses, he's ok, the critics will applaud the effort and say he wasn't ready.
Don't dismiss him. Wilder is a one trick pony and Fury has beaten way better. The most awkward and unorthadox heavyweight in the division, I can't wait for the fight myself.
I dislike fury, he engages in a fight less than the Klitschko brothers but the modern sport has come towards him.
Years ago his dance and avoid a fight style would have seen him clipped in round 14 or 15 and go down but fights are now shorter (and that’s a good thing) he can stay fresher and win by having the other bloke not hit him. He doesn’t have power from muscle but he has tremendous cardio vascular fitness and lonng levers. Waits for his opponent to tire then makes the referee stop it, if the opponent doesn’t blow themselves out he will just wait for a points win.
I don’t see wilder landing the one shot he will need, fury is too good at what he does. Can Joshua beat him? It’s doubt that too, too big, too robotic and he tires too early.
Fury is the king of the current crop and I have to respect him even if I’d rather he lost! He is the man that beat the man.
Years ago his dance and avoid a fight style would have seen him clipped in round 14 or 15 and go down but fights are now shorter (and that’s a good thing) he can stay fresher and win by having the other bloke not hit him. He doesn’t have power from muscle but he has tremendous cardio vascular fitness and lonng levers. Waits for his opponent to tire then makes the referee stop it, if the opponent doesn’t blow themselves out he will just wait for a points win.
I don’t see wilder landing the one shot he will need, fury is too good at what he does. Can Joshua beat him? It’s doubt that too, too big, too robotic and he tires too early.
Fury is the king of the current crop and I have to respect him even if I’d rather he lost! He is the man that beat the man.
yonex said:
There are a lot of short memories in here. Derek Chisora...
ChisoraHeight 6ft1
Reach 74"
Wilder
Height 6'7
Reach 83
Of-course Fury is a brilliant talent, Wlad fight cemented that part. But Wilder is different from Chisora, he is a natural talent that is hard to train for, and he is tall and has the reach that Chisora didn't have.
Fury is 6'9, pretty difficult for a 6'1 fighter to get past a jab!
Don't think anyone can call this one, just guesswork.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 20th August 21:47
andburg said:
Fury is the king of the current crop . . . he is the man that beat the man.
Hmmm, on paper, yes.Fortunate (for him) that his opponent's wife was suffering from terrible post natal depression at the time. Vladimir's performance that night was no surprise in the circumstances - he basically couldn't be bothered and I don't blame him.
Fury didn't fancy a rematch though did he? Wonder why?
i was actually just going to post the same thing pal.... as much as i find him amusing and a great addition to the heavyweight scene i can't quite forgive him for robbing wlad of over a year of the dying embers of his career...rematch with a fully fit and motivated klitschko means fury flat on his back like the rest of them. his blatent ducking of the rematch and subsequent video footage of him dancing round with england fans with his "injury" was shameful.
and we still haven't addressed the fact that he refers to himself as lineal champ. given his backdated drugs ban overlaps the wlad fight should he have even had those belts?..not in my book.
and we still haven't addressed the fact that he refers to himself as lineal champ. given his backdated drugs ban overlaps the wlad fight should he have even had those belts?..not in my book.
It is remarkable how quickly Fury’s drugs ban seems to have been glossed over - compare and contrast with Canelo. Wilder was pretty vocal about Ortiz’s failed test in the lead-up to their fight in March; it’ll be interesting to see if he raises the subject should the fight with Fury get signed...
Yiliterate said:
It is remarkable how quickly Fury’s drugs ban seems to have been glossed over - compare and contrast with Canelo. Wilder was pretty vocal about Ortiz’s failed test in the lead-up to their fight in March; it’ll be interesting to see if he raises the subject should the fight with Fury get signed...
I think it's the media fault.Until Tusc pointed out to me a little while ago, I assumed that the drugs things was after Wlad fighter rather than before. That changed the whole picture for me.
The drugs reveal came out a while after the Wlad fight, and so most people have assumed the same I think.
Even the Ring magazine wouldn't let go of Fury.
ORD said:
As a boxing outsider but general sports fan, I think Fury does a lot of damage to boxing's reputation. He is a fat bum, talented or not, and it is embarrassing that he is the best we have.
Agree, I'm not a massive boxing fan - but he doesn't portray the sport well. But then does AJ? I really like him and his attitude, but he has form for drugs possession. I don’t think Joshua is as squeaky-clean as he’d have us believe, there’s an edge there. But there’s no doubt it’s more publicly acceptable to come from a dodgy background and turn yourself around, like he has.
Whereas achieving huge fame & acclaim like Fury did, and then going on to have drugs issues (both recreational & sporting), plus spouting off against women, Jews, homosexuals etc., is very much a different matter.
A redemption story is lauded, whereas making a c*ck of yourself is not.
Regardless of my dim view of Fury as an individual (and I recognise he is simultaneously entertaining, charismatic & perceptive), and his undoubted high-class boxing skills, it seems that his legend has grown out of all proportion since his time away.
The way he talks it’s like he’s on a par with Muhammed Ali, rather than a guy with a good but unexceptional record (when you take away that glorious achievement in Germany).
He did very, very well against Klitschko, but I have a sneaking feeling that he was just another defence for a distracted, comfortable Klitschko and profited from that complacency a bit, whereas the Klitschko Joshua faced was a frustrated, motivated guy who’d been d*cked around for a year by Fury and was fighting to reclaim his legacy.
I guess the interesting thing is we’ll soon hopefully find out if any of them is the real deal (and to some extent they all still have question marks against their name).
Whereas achieving huge fame & acclaim like Fury did, and then going on to have drugs issues (both recreational & sporting), plus spouting off against women, Jews, homosexuals etc., is very much a different matter.
A redemption story is lauded, whereas making a c*ck of yourself is not.
Regardless of my dim view of Fury as an individual (and I recognise he is simultaneously entertaining, charismatic & perceptive), and his undoubted high-class boxing skills, it seems that his legend has grown out of all proportion since his time away.
The way he talks it’s like he’s on a par with Muhammed Ali, rather than a guy with a good but unexceptional record (when you take away that glorious achievement in Germany).
He did very, very well against Klitschko, but I have a sneaking feeling that he was just another defence for a distracted, comfortable Klitschko and profited from that complacency a bit, whereas the Klitschko Joshua faced was a frustrated, motivated guy who’d been d*cked around for a year by Fury and was fighting to reclaim his legacy.
I guess the interesting thing is we’ll soon hopefully find out if any of them is the real deal (and to some extent they all still have question marks against their name).
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