The Running Thread Vol 2

The Running Thread Vol 2

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johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Sarkmeister said:
I did on average 2 runs a week, one long and one about 4-5 miles. My long runs peaked at 17 miles, completed a couple of weeks before.

My legs started feeling heavy after about 18 miles, probably due to the lack of both long training runs, and miles overall. Managed to keep going to the end though.
Thanks
That is my primary concern, I have not done enough long runs. How many did you do of 17 miles? I know everyone is different but I am trying to compare my training to yours. I have done about 40-60km per week (one week much longer), mostly quite slow 5:30 - 6min per km with the odd fast 10km (sub 45min)
What was your average miles/km per week?
Are you still sore now from the run?

My marathon is in 4 weeks now.

Legend83

9,947 posts

221 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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KTF said:
There is a London finish line feed on iplayer for anyone who finished between 2h30 and 6h and wanted to see yourself cross the finish:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p050lp8z/lond...
So this is mad.

Not only did a guy I went to Uni with run exactly the same time as me TO THE SECOND - I knew he was running but I didn't see him, we started at different times - but that feed shows that I crossed the line exactly the same time, side by side with a guy I went to primary school with!! We were obviously both so dazed that we didn't even notice each other sadly!

What are the chances?! It's left me quite dumbfounded.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

211 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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johnwilliams77 said:
Sarkmeister said:
I did on average 2 runs a week, one long and one about 4-5 miles. My long runs peaked at 17 miles, completed a couple of weeks before.

My legs started feeling heavy after about 18 miles, probably due to the lack of both long training runs, and miles overall. Managed to keep going to the end though.
Thanks
That is my primary concern, I have not done enough long runs. How many did you do of 17 miles? I know everyone is different but I am trying to compare my training to yours. I have done about 40-60km per week (one week much longer), mostly quite slow 5:30 - 6min per km with the odd fast 10km (sub 45min)
What was your average miles/km per week?
Are you still sore now from the run?

My marathon is in 4 weeks now.
When I trained for my only standalone marathon. I did 3 runs a week a 5k fast as I could. A 10K with hill repeats and a "long" run on sunday. Longest was 3 long runs of 30K. Wobbled round in 4h20 that day. Blew at 38K or so and ran walked the rest. Average was 6m01s /k

Although I wasn't coming from no activity at all prior to this. Id never run longer than a half. So with hindsight I didn't train enough for it. A friend who ran sub 3 is naturally gifted but IIRC even he was doing 35-40miles per week.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Rich_W said:
When I trained for my only standalone marathon. I did 3 runs a week a 5k fast as I could. A 10K with hill repeats and a "long" run on sunday. Longest was 3 long runs of 30K. Wobbled round in 4h20 that day. Blew at 38K or so and ran walked the rest. Average was 6m01s /k

Although I wasn't coming from no activity at all prior to this. Id never run longer than a half. So with hindsight I didn't train enough for it. A friend who ran sub 3 is naturally gifted but IIRC even he was doing 35-40miles per week.

Thanks
I've done a few weeks of 60 miles a week. This week I've done 40km already. Not very fast though (5:30 per km) average. Sounds like I'm a little more prepared that some. Nervous!

Sarkmeister

1,664 posts

217 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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johnwilliams77 said:
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That is my primary concern, I have not done enough long runs. How many did you do of 17 miles? I know everyone is different but I am trying to compare my training to yours. I have done about 40-60km per week (one week much longer), mostly quite slow 5:30 - 6min per km with the odd fast 10km (sub 45min)
What was your average miles/km per week?
Are you still sore now from the run?

My marathon is in 4 weeks now.
I stepped up the long runs by about a mile a week, so only did one 17 miler.

Sounds like you have don't a lot more training than I did, you'll be ok.

The soreness has gone now, and I'll be back running tomorrow...

dave0010

1,381 posts

160 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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I picked up a used Garmin Fenix 3 from Ebay this week. After the announcement of the Fenix 5 the prices dropped to a reasonable amount. The weather has taken a turn for the worst here in Melbourne though so looks like a few rainy runs for me frown

dave0010

1,381 posts

160 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Question for Garmin users. Ive downloaded and paired my watch and phone with the Garmin connect app and allowed Strava to connect with the Garmin site. After a run from today I uploaded the run from my watch to my phone. This has then synced with Strava. Except the run isn't showing in my activities.

When I go directly onto the Strava sight and view the upload page, it shows the run but with only half the GPS. I still cant get this to show up on my activity feed though. Does anyone have any ideas??

Cybertronian

1,516 posts

162 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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dave0010 said:
Question for Garmin users. Ive downloaded and paired my watch and phone with the Garmin connect app and allowed Strava to connect with the Garmin site. After a run from today I uploaded the run from my watch to my phone. This has then synced with Strava. Except the run isn't showing in my activities.

When I go directly onto the Strava sight and view the upload page, it shows the run but with only half the GPS. I still cant get this to show up on my activity feed though. Does anyone have any ideas??
Could just be a blip. Historically, Garmin's servers have struggled on particularly busy days when lots of races take place and people are uploading their data etc. This in turn means Strava uploads suffer, too.

If you're desperate for the run to appear properly on Strava, delete the half-baked one and go to Garmin Connect export the workout. Then, go back to Strava and upload the file manually and it should hopefully appear properly. Fingers crossed auto uploads work properly for you, moving forward.

Tycho

11,554 posts

272 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Cybertronian said:
dave0010 said:
Question for Garmin users. Ive downloaded and paired my watch and phone with the Garmin connect app and allowed Strava to connect with the Garmin site. After a run from today I uploaded the run from my watch to my phone. This has then synced with Strava. Except the run isn't showing in my activities.

When I go directly onto the Strava sight and view the upload page, it shows the run but with only half the GPS. I still cant get this to show up on my activity feed though. Does anyone have any ideas??
Could just be a blip. Historically, Garmin's servers have struggled on particularly busy days when lots of races take place and people are uploading their data etc. This in turn means Strava uploads suffer, too.

If you're desperate for the run to appear properly on Strava, delete the half-baked one and go to Garmin Connect export the workout. Then, go back to Strava and upload the file manually and it should hopefully appear properly. Fingers crossed auto uploads work properly for you, moving forward.
Hopefully this advice should fix it. I picked up a mint Fenix 3 a few weeks ago to replace my vivoactive HR and I'm loving it.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Tycho said:
Hopefully this advice should fix it. I picked up a mint Fenix 3 a few weeks ago to replace my vivoactive HR and I'm loving it.
I had the same issue. Just wait a day or two and see if it appears - known issue apparently.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

181 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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I've recently made the jump to Garmin (albeit the newer 935) and I'm beginning to see why they're both a) the market leaders, and b) abused on forums frequently.

I've no regrets at all mind - so far with 5 runs on the watch I'm loving the features and how well it all works. It's just so...clever. And useful.

dave0010

1,381 posts

160 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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thanks for the help. I think what mainly happened was I hadn't let the watch locate gps before I set off. I've since waited for it to beep ready before I set off

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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tenohfive said:
I've recently made the jump to Garmin (albeit the newer 935) and I'm beginning to see why they're both a) the market leaders, and b) abused on forums frequently.

I've no regrets at all mind - so far with 5 runs on the watch I'm loving the features and how well it all works. It's just so...clever. And useful.
What is it that makes the garmin so good?

I still use my phone and strava app but think i'd go for a tom tom runner 3 for the ability to download .gpx files and have like running sat nav.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

181 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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I firmly believe that TomTom offer fantastic value for money and should get a lot more credit than they do for the middle part of the market.
In terms of things I like on the 935 (which is a Fenix 5 in a lighter, plastic body) over my old TT Runner 2:
Much better data customisation - you can have as many data screens as you want, with up to 4 data fields structured however you want.
And you can setup different data screens for different types of event (for example I have total ascent on Trail Run's but not Run's, where I favour average pace.)
Lap summary - defaults to every km, pops up with how long your last km took. And you can set it to whatever details you want it to show and however often you want it to pop up (or turn it off.)

Behind the scenes I find the Firstbeats stuff really interesting - estimated VO2 max (allegedly 95% accurate) but I find the Training Effect more interesting - it'll tell you for a given run how you're improving (if at all) or if you're putting in junk miles. So for my last hill reps session it told me my Lactate Threshold was highly improving, and Anaerobic Fitness was being maintained by that run. And it gives an estimated recovery time. Useful to everyone? No. Interesting? Yes.

The smart watch functionality is handy - being able to glance at the watch rather than dig out a chunky smartphone on the go to find out whether that message was, "drop everything, come home," or, "what do you fancy for dinner," is really quite handy.

But there's just so much other functionality - some I'm using (24 hour battery life with GPS running normally, plus longer in lower GPS-sampling mode), some I will use (e.g structured workouts, elevation profile and your position on it when following a course) and some I won't bother with (step counting.) As a rule though, if you think, "wouldn't it be handy if it could do X?" then it probably does it.

It's not for everyone, but there's a whole lot on there that I'm already using that wasn't available. And that's the useful stuff, I've not delved into half the other stuff that may or may not prove to be novelty/gimmicky.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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tenohfive said:
I firmly believe that TomTom offer fantastic value for money and should get a lot more credit than they do for the middle part of the market.
In terms of things I like on the 935 (which is a Fenix 5 in a lighter, plastic body) over my old TT Runner 2:
Much better data customisation - you can have as many data screens as you want, with up to 4 data fields structured however you want.
And you can setup different data screens for different types of event (for example I have total ascent on Trail Run's but not Run's, where I favour average pace.)
Lap summary - defaults to every km, pops up with how long your last km took. And you can set it to whatever details you want it to show and however often you want it to pop up (or turn it off.)

Behind the scenes I find the Firstbeats stuff really interesting - estimated VO2 max (allegedly 95% accurate) but I find the Training Effect more interesting - it'll tell you for a given run how you're improving (if at all) or if you're putting in junk miles. So for my last hill reps session it told me my Lactate Threshold was highly improving, and Anaerobic Fitness was being maintained by that run. And it gives an estimated recovery time. Useful to everyone? No. Interesting? Yes.

The smart watch functionality is handy - being able to glance at the watch rather than dig out a chunky smartphone on the go to find out whether that message was, "drop everything, come home," or, "what do you fancy for dinner," is really quite handy.

But there's just so much other functionality - some I'm using (24 hour battery life with GPS running normally, plus longer in lower GPS-sampling mode), some I will use (e.g structured workouts, elevation profile and your position on it when following a course) and some I won't bother with (step counting.) As a rule though, if you think, "wouldn't it be handy if it could do X?" then it probably does it.

It's not for everyone, but there's a whole lot on there that I'm already using that wasn't available. And that's the useful stuff, I've not delved into half the other stuff that may or may not prove to be novelty/gimmicky.
Glad you like it but doesn't seem much above the garmin 235.

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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johnwilliams77 said:
Glad you like it but doesn't seem much above the garmin 235.
I think the main differences for me are battery life and mapping. Those alone would make me go up to the 9xx, as I want 15+ hours o battery with GPS and the ability to follow a map. Even my old FR305 had a map, something I used only yesterday having made a route on Strava I'd never done before and chucked it on the watch to make sure I didn't get lost in endless fields while out at lunchtime.

But as you say, if you want standard data and none of the fuss and fancy metrics which about 5% or so really use, the 235 looks great.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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Smitters said:
I think the main differences for me are battery life and mapping. Those alone would make me go up to the 9xx, as I want 15+ hours o battery with GPS and the ability to follow a map. Even my old FR305 had a map, something I used only yesterday having made a route on Strava I'd never done before and chucked it on the watch to make sure I didn't get lost in endless fields while out at lunchtime.

But as you say, if you want standard data and none of the fuss and fancy metrics which about 5% or so really use, the 235 looks great.
Actually, an amazing battery is a big selling point to me and I am planning on doing an ultra next year so will need >10hrs.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

181 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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johnwilliams77 said:
Glad you like it but doesn't seem much above the garmin 235.
There's tonnes more than the 235 on any given feature list - and it's quite possible you won't use many of those extra features. But just because you won't use them doesn't they aren't there.

Most of my focus races are mostly off-road ultra's with lots of climb. So having a barometer for accurate altitude, mapping, elevation plot and a huge battery are very important to me. And customising that all to my own preference - having it all easily accessible when my concentration and patience levels are at a low - is important.

Those for me are the basics, and it does them well. The 235 doesn't so to get them I had to go for a higher-end watch. For you? Only you can answer that, we've all got slightly different requirements.
The stuff like being able to control my music (well, podcasts) on the watch at the tap of a button on long training runs? Nice thing to have. Being able to save a location with two button presses (a new hill reps hill perhaps) when out exploring? Nice to have. There are lots of 'nice to have' features that I'm finding useful.

There's a tonne of other features I fully intend to delve into - until I use them I won't know if they're useful to me or not. They're not essential...but nor are the latest and greatest smartphones, and people still happily pay extra (and get extra use) out of those.



Edited by tenohfive on Friday 28th April 11:17

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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tenohfive said:
There's tonnes more than the 235 on any given feature list - and it's quite possible you won't use many of those extra features. But just because you won't use them doesn't they aren't there.

Most of my focus races are mostly off-road ultra's with lots of climb. So having a barometer for accurate altitude, mapping, elevation plot and a huge battery are very important to me. And customising that all to my own preference - having it all easily accessible when my concentration and patience levels are at a low - is important.

Those for me are the basics, and it does them well. The 235 doesn't so to get them I had to go for a higher-end watch. For you? Only you can answer that, we've all got slightly different requirements.
The stuff like being able to control my music (well, podcasts) on the watch at the tap of a button on long training runs? Nice thing to have. Being able to save a location with two button presses (a new hill reps hill perhaps) when out exploring? Nice to have. There are lots of 'nice to have' features that I'm finding useful.

There's a tonne of other features I fully intend to delve into - until I use them I won't know if they're useful to me or not. They're not essential...but nor are the latest and greatest smartphones, and people still happily pay extra (and get extra use) out of those.



Edited by tenohfive on Friday 28th April 11:17
Very good - I am glad you like it.

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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I've always been told I overpronate so I wear orthotics in neutral trainers, yet I seem to be wearing the outside of the heel down not the inside edge?

Are my orthotics working to well and rolling my ankle out to much?