The Running Thread Vol 2

The Running Thread Vol 2

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smn159

12,654 posts

217 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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trackdemon said:
Cheers! I'll look into the warmups. Don't really have time to double the length of my sessions with strength work sadly :/ Largely, I'm curious why I'd go from no issues, to consistently sore in those areas in a matter of months with no change in regime. Of course, I'm not getting younger rolleyesbiggrin but it just seems a bit sudden to me...
My experience is that issues like these are the effect of cumulative effects of training. In my case I can usually trace the causes of injuries to either overuse - typically through a lack of consistency in my training - or to not paying enough attention to core strengthening / stretching.

Core stuff and stretching is a bit of a chore frankly, but it does help to keep the injuries at bay.

andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Anyone watching The Spine? Jim Mann heading the field but not much of a gap yet - he'll be wanting to re-assert after coming second on the Dragon i expect. Loooooong way to go yet mind...

Q: 'You need anything medical looking at Jim?'
A: 'My sanity'

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http://live.thespinerace.com/

TiminYorkshire

514 posts

219 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Well I've entered the Grand Tour of Skiddaw, so a bit of training to get under the belt...

Mark-C

5,081 posts

205 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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TiminYorkshire said:
Well I've entered the Grand Tour of Skiddaw, so a bit of training to get under the belt...
Nutter tongue out

tenohfive

6,276 posts

182 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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TiminYorkshire said:
Well I've entered the Grand Tour of Skiddaw, so a bit of training to get under the belt...
That looks like a lot of fun (for a given value of, 'fun'), I'll be interested to hear how you get on.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Unexpected Item In The Bagging Area said:
Based on my experience a few years ago of moving from cycling to running you have to forget that you have great cardio fitness and run very steadily for a good while. I kept getting carried away with how easy it felt for the first part of each run and over cook my legs.

Maybe try a slow jog to loosen them up, although I found that an easy ride would help especially with my calves.
Yeh, probably my downfall. Did 3 miles today, nearly a week after that 4.5 and my legs still really ache just below the calf. Weird. Will give them time to recover. Did a brisk cycle sunday with no pain at all (bout 60 miles).

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

116 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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okgo said:
Unexpected Item In The Bagging Area said:
Based on my experience a few years ago of moving from cycling to running you have to forget that you have great cardio fitness and run very steadily for a good while. I kept getting carried away with how easy it felt for the first part of each run and over cook my legs.

Maybe try a slow jog to loosen them up, although I found that an easy ride would help especially with my calves.
Yeh, probably my downfall. Did 3 miles today, nearly a week after that 4.5 and my legs still really ache just below the calf. Weird. Will give them time to recover. Did a brisk cycle sunday with no pain at all (bout 60 miles).
Cycling is much easier than running. I can do 21mph for a sportive but can not break Sub3, highly annoying, seeing as though i spend most of my time running rather than cycling.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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AndStilliRise said:
Cycling is much easier than running. I can do 21mph for a sportive but can not break Sub3, highly annoying, seeing as though i spend most of my time running rather than cycling.
Its no easier to be good at it, as in actually good. I assume you are talking about Ride100? But I agree with you that its a different set of attributes required. Mara would be too much for me to ever be arsed with.

The jiffle king

6,913 posts

258 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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okgo said:
Its no easier to be good at it, as in actually good. I assume you are talking about Ride100? But I agree with you that its a different set of attributes required. Mara would be too much for me to ever be arsed with.
Marathon is not as difficult as you think in terms of time commitment. I did sub 3 on 45 miles a week so nowhere near as impactful in terms of time as cycling is.

andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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TiminYorkshire said:
Well I've entered the Grand Tour of Skiddaw, so a bit of training to get under the belt...
Looks fab - good luck!

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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The jiffle king said:
okgo said:
Its no easier to be good at it, as in actually good. I assume you are talking about Ride100? But I agree with you that its a different set of attributes required. Mara would be too much for me to ever be arsed with.
Marathon is not as difficult as you think in terms of time commitment. I did sub 3 on 45 miles a week so nowhere near as impactful in terms of time as cycling is.
Some natural ability / build is a requirement
&56 i do 5k under 20 mins
@21 well under an hour for 10 miles
@25 Half Marathon PB 1 Hr 20
Marathon PB 3.07!
Never done a marathon & thought ‘I did well’ even on 50+ miles a week proper schedule
Horses for courses etc

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

103 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Jimboka said:
Some natural ability / build is a requirement
&56 i do 5k under 20 mins
@21 well under an hour for 10 miles
@25 Half Marathon PB 1 Hr 20
Marathon PB 3.07!
Never done a marathon & thought ‘I did well’ even on 50+ miles a week proper schedule
Horses for courses etc
How long for 10 miles?

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Anyone running in the Manchester 10k?

The jiffle king

6,913 posts

258 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Witnessed a robbery at the end of my 10 mile run yesterday. 2 men went into a shop and grabbed the bag of a woman. I'd gone past by the time it happened, but went back and helped lock the gates at the front, but they hopped over a back wall. Woman was very shaken up and they took her car as the key was in the bag.

lufbramatt

5,345 posts

134 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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okgo said:
AndStilliRise said:
Cycling is much easier than running. I can do 21mph for a sportive but can not break Sub3, highly annoying, seeing as though i spend most of my time running rather than cycling.
Its no easier to be good at it, as in actually good. I assume you are talking about Ride100? But I agree with you that its a different set of attributes required. Mara would be too much for me to ever be arsed with.
when I was running seriously I was so much better on the track than anything else. I'm 6'2" and was about 80kg. Could do a pretty decent 1500m (3:54) but as the distance went up I got slower, relatively speaking. On the track being slightly bigger was sometimes an advantage when things started to get a bit "physical" in the pack. Used to do XC over the winter as it was more fun than road running, and don't get me wrong I still had a few podiums in county level stuff on flat courses but someone 15kg lighter is always going to be faster over rough or hilly terrain. Having said that I still managed a 27:40 5 miler on the road, the longest distance I ever raced.

I'm coming back in to doing some proper structured training after too many years off and have been mainly focusing on bike fitness, with one or two runs a week. Being very careful to not overdo the running as it's so much more stressful on joints and connective tissue than cycling. Also made sure I spend time strengthening my general core, hip flexors, calves and glutes to help avoid injuries.

After a couple of months of gradually building up the distance and effort I'm running at about 6:40/mile pace and finishing runs with no aches or niggles. First couple of weeks was literally walk a minute jog 2 etc. then building it up as it's so easy to go in deep to early and hurt yourself especially if you have good base fitness. I think I'll do a parkrun in a couple of weeks time and see if I can crack 20 mins. Trouble is my local parkrun is full of people I used to run with or go to school with so don't want to embarrass myself (yea I know not a race wink )

Edited by lufbramatt on Thursday 18th January 09:40

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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That's encouraging.

Weirdly after my run on tues, my right leg feels fine buy my left still super tight!

My issue being that for the last 7 years or so I've done nothing but cycle, so might take my body more time to adapt, not sure. Yeh, short distance stuff should suit my power profile from cycling, if it works anything like that.

lufbramatt

5,345 posts

134 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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Careful with the tightness, back in May I tore my right Achilles after not listening to my body which put me out for 3 months just as the weather got nice for riding!

There seems to be a bit of a thing in running where marathons are seen as a kind of blue riband event to aspire to, but running shorter distances faster is just as hard to be good at. So if it suits your build and muscle makeup to aim to smash it over 5k or shorter it's just as respectable as doing 24 miles.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

103 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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lufbramatt said:
Careful with the tightness, back in May I tore my right Achilles after not listening to my body which put me out for 3 months just as the weather got nice for riding!

There seems to be a bit of a thing in running where marathons are seen as a kind of blue riband event to aspire to, but running shorter distances faster is just as hard to be good at. So if it suits your build and muscle makeup to aim to smash it over 5k or shorter it's just as respectable as doing 24 miles.
26.2 wink

I totally agree. I personally prefer longer races due to the lower intensity HR than flat out 3k/5k blast.

lufbramatt

5,345 posts

134 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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Ooops yes 26.2 miles. shows how much thought I've ever given marathons ;-)

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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lufbramatt said:
Careful with the tightness, back in May I tore my right Achilles after not listening to my body which put me out for 3 months just as the weather got nice for riding!

There seems to be a bit of a thing in running where marathons are seen as a kind of blue riband event to aspire to, but running shorter distances faster is just as hard to be good at. So if it suits your build and muscle makeup to aim to smash it over 5k or shorter it's just as respectable as doing 24 miles.
Generally in cycling the ones who bang on about long distance are the ones that can't ride quickly over short distance, I'm sure there is an element of that in all endurance sports smile