The Running Thread Vol 2

The Running Thread Vol 2

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egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Sunday 9th September 2018
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I start my atlantic challenge oct 5th so i'm entering the last phase of training.

Did white star running's crafty fox marathon yesterday 27 miles 3600ft elevation went out this morning and did 10 miles 1300ft .

On sunday i'm doing the purbeck trail marathon and the following week i'm due 10 miles and 8 miles but i've entererd bristol half.

Now i'm having 2nd thoughts re Bristol as i'm not sure a flat fast road race is going to help in anyway with the atlantic challenge .

Options are just do the same distance on the quantocks /exmoor for free or do day 2 of the cotswold way which would be 50k and still give me 2 weeks before the atlantic challenge ?

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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tenohfive said:
Anyone got or tried a Naked Band? Now that the nights are drawing in I'm looking for something I can wear low down like a Spibelt that'll take my phone, keys and a windproof and it looks like it should fit the bill but I can't find anywhere nearby to try one on.
I have one. Rate it, but I got stung for customs and the bullst post office charge for transporting it about for customs, so it ended up expensive. I couldn't find a UK stockist. That does mean that incorrect sizing will be a ballache too.

All that said, it takes a huge amount bounce free and I wear it a lot, from a key stash on parkrun to long runs. I never feel like I'm wearing it either. Fit and forget!

I'm South Gloucestershire, incidentally, if you're close. I'll dig out the size and edit it in. Bit distracted by baby #2 at the moment, who's a week old.

Tycho

11,553 posts

272 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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egor110 said:
I start my atlantic challenge oct 5th so i'm entering the last phase of training.

Did white star running's crafty fox marathon yesterday 27 miles 3600ft elevation went out this morning and did 10 miles 1300ft .

On sunday i'm doing the purbeck trail marathon and the following week i'm due 10 miles and 8 miles but i've entererd bristol half.

Now i'm having 2nd thoughts re Bristol as i'm not sure a flat fast road race is going to help in anyway with the atlantic challenge .

Options are just do the same distance on the quantocks /exmoor for free or do day 2 of the cotswold way which would be 50k and still give me 2 weeks before the atlantic challenge ?
Have fun on the Purbecks. I did it a few years ago and really enjoyed it. The hill out of Tyneham is a git and also between miles 20 and 23 ish is all uphill. Hope the weather is good as I bet it is really tough if it's windy.

AbzGuyGTI

578 posts

188 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Smitters said:
tenohfive said:
Anyone got or tried a Naked Band? Now that the nights are drawing in I'm looking for something I can wear low down like a Spibelt that'll take my phone, keys and a windproof and it looks like it should fit the bill but I can't find anywhere nearby to try one on.
I have one. Rate it, but I got stung for customs and the bullst post office charge for transporting it about for customs, so it ended up expensive. I couldn't find a UK stockist. That does mean that incorrect sizing will be a ballache too.

All that said, it takes a huge amount bounce free and I wear it a lot, from a key stash on parkrun to long runs. I never feel like I'm wearing it either. Fit and forget!

I'm South Gloucestershire, incidentally, if you're close. I'll dig out the size and edit it in. Bit distracted by baby #2 at the moment, who's a week old.
I got a Spibelt Large from amazon a couple months back! Said delivery would be 2 weeks or so, came within 2 days no issues! Really good for just sticking your phone or whatever in and i can run fine as if there is nothing there!
Saves me running with my Salomon vest if i only need to take phone, keys & maybe some water!

Cybertronian

1,516 posts

162 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Smitters said:
Bit distracted by baby #2 at the moment, who's a week old.
Congrats!

tenohfive

6,276 posts

181 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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AbzGuyGTI said:
I got a Spibelt Large from amazon a couple months back! Said delivery would be 2 weeks or so, came within 2 days no issues! Really good for just sticking your phone or whatever in and i can run fine as if there is nothing there!
Saves me running with my Salomon vest if i only need to take phone, keys & maybe some water!
I've got a standard Spibelt and for just the phone and keys it's fine, but any more and really it needs another pocket or it bounces loads - and I risk losing half the contents if I try to get one thing out.

Smitters said:
tenohfive said:
Anyone got or tried a Naked Band? Now that the nights are drawing in I'm looking for something I can wear low down like a Spibelt that'll take my phone, keys and a windproof and it looks like it should fit the bill but I can't find anywhere nearby to try one on.
I have one. Rate it, but I got stung for customs and the bullst post office charge for transporting it about for customs, so it ended up expensive. I couldn't find a UK stockist. That does mean that incorrect sizing will be a ballache too.

All that said, it takes a huge amount bounce free and I wear it a lot, from a key stash on parkrun to long runs. I never feel like I'm wearing it either. Fit and forget!

I'm South Gloucestershire, incidentally, if you're close. I'll dig out the size and edit it in. Bit distracted by baby #2 at the moment, who's a week old.
Cheers for the offer but I decided to give it a go - Centurion Running stock them now. Took it out for the first time tonight and I echo your comments - it was so easy to forget it was there. I had a 500ml soft flask, smartphone, wallet, headtorch and a small waterproof and felt no bounce at all - really impressive. I did find it a bit strange working out the sizing (I much prefer having the weight around my hips rather than the waist, so my ordered size bore no relevance to waistline) but it seems like it was right on the first try.

I'll give it a few more runs before I completely make up my mind but overall a really handy thing to have, especially as the nights get longer and the comfort of having a spare layer, gloves and hat start to become a factor.

markh1973

1,786 posts

167 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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egor110 said:
I start my atlantic challenge oct 5th so i'm entering the last phase of training.

Did white star running's crafty fox marathon yesterday 27 miles 3600ft elevation went out this morning and did 10 miles 1300ft .

On sunday i'm doing the purbeck trail marathon and the following week i'm due 10 miles and 8 miles but i've entererd bristol half.

Now i'm having 2nd thoughts re Bristol as i'm not sure a flat fast road race is going to help in anyway with the atlantic challenge .

Options are just do the same distance on the quantocks /exmoor for free or do day 2 of the cotswold way which would be 50k and still give me 2 weeks before the atlantic challenge ?
I'm doing this as well - have done nowhere near enough training so will have to hope my body remembers how to cover that sort of distance.

Did the Jurassic Coast Challenge last year which was great fun.

Based on my experience of that a fast flat road run isn't going to assist much with ACC - it's more about time on your feet and ability to keep going whilst keeping the sea on your right that will see you to the end.

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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tenohfive said:
egor110 said:
Ultra types - what do you use for navigation on races ?

I'm to tight to get a fenix or sunto watch so looking at the little garmin e-trex devices .

Almost killed my iphone the other day on a 20 mile run where i had 4g on the whole time and music for 10 miles.

On my old android it used to show where i was on a map without any 3/4g but in the iphone it needs the net to show where i am on a map , on a run i just get a little dot moving on a blank screen with no 4g turned on.
The issue is having a mapping app with offline mapping as someone else mentioned. The cheapest route is to get an older Android phone, download Viewranger and use OSM maps (which are free.) That'll give you topo maps - just make sure you create a saved area that covers everywhere you need. You can pay for OS maps as well if you want them, or if you've got an OS maps subscription use their app.

Turn off wifi, bluetooth and mobile data and you'll get days out of it (depending on the phone.) My old Moto E 4G cost me £35 years ago.

That said, depending on the race you might not need to get anything. From what I've seen you've got three types of route:
1. Fully marked, GPS allowed.
2. Unmarked, GPS not allowed.
3. No race markings (but if following National Trails, using the natural paths) where GPS is allowed.

If it's 1 or 3 you won't need to have your GPS running constantly and you'll only need it when unsure of your exact position. I'm sure your iPhone with VR will allow the downloading of maps for offline use. Once you've got those and turned off mobile data your battery should last a lot longer.

I've got a mix of breadcrumb mapping on my watch (935) and I've also tried dwMaps which gives OSM maps on the watch face. Breadcrumb is usually plenty, the screen of these watches is just too small for proper maps to fit. When I've got 3 paths all going off roughly in the same direction 20 yards jogging is usually enough to indicate if I've picked the right one with breadcrumb - I don't ever remember getting the phone out with proper OS mapping on it during a race.
I'm not being an old curmudgeon as I've tried to refine GPS use in practise - technology was getting so advanced that having the full colour map, location and guidance all on your wrist was possible and appealing. Phones/e-trex idem - really good tools, very advanced, quick and easy. However I've climbed down a bit over the past few years and now [when needed] use a paper map / compass* as the 'working' combo, but spool up the GPS on my watch when navigationally embarrassed or in particularly barren and inclement situations - but this is just to get the Grid Reference of the location which I then translate on to the map. It's done in less than half a minute then the GPS can 'sleep' again.

For me this is the ideal balance between speed and accuracy, power usage and time on course and marries the benefits of a paper map to the benefits of the GPS, when 'misplaced' particularly. For me the GPS considerably shortens the time spent trying to unjam yourself, the map gives a better general view of where you are.

There's a great article written by Andy Cole (a fine pedigree and a gent to boot) on his thoughts, he comes at it from a practitioners point of view and stresses 'efficiency'; it makes for interesting reading - http://ajc-runninglate.blogspot.com/2017/10/map-co...

* The compass is an orienteers one, without marked bearings [not required], big pointer, rotating bezel and quick set floating needle - you can set the map and have a direction of travel very quickly.





Edited by andy_s on Friday 14th September 13:15

FunkyNige

8,858 posts

274 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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egor110 said:
Ultra types - what do you use for navigation on races ?

I'm to tight to get a fenix or sunto watch so looking at the little garmin e-trex devices .

Almost killed my iphone the other day on a 20 mile run where i had 4g on the whole time and music for 10 miles.

On my old android it used to show where i was on a map without any 3/4g but in the iphone it needs the net to show where i am on a map , on a run i just get a little dot moving on a blank screen with no 4g turned on.
I'm in no way an ultra type, but Google Maps (on iPhone and Android) allows you to download areas of the map in advance so you don't need a data connection to show the map. I use it when I'm on holiday to stop me getting lost in foreign cities and I want to save my battery!

It's called 'Offline maps' on the app.

Edited by FunkyNige on Friday 14th September 13:50

askew

102 posts

115 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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A question, which I'm hoping more experienced runners will be able offer their tuppence worth on:

I've been pretty chuffed with my running progress this 'season', but after the Birmingham half in October, I'll be looking to take a month off from running, and will spend a little more time on the bike. As I start gearing up for triathlon training in December (entered next years 70.3 in Staffordshire, more fool me), my running training load will decrease.

Am I likely to struggle to hit the paces I've been comfortable with this summer, or will I almost be in maintenance mode? Certainly, the swimming and cycling should be a positive on the old aerobic fitness column…

feef

5,206 posts

182 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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New shoe smell isn’t quite as nice as new-car smell.

Salomon Speedcross 4.
Got the Hoohaah Wimpole Half in a couple of weeks. Just long enough to get used to them.




Edited by feef on Friday 14th September 16:59

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Impressive grip!

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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markh1973 said:
egor110 said:
I start my atlantic challenge oct 5th so i'm entering the last phase of training.

Did white star running's crafty fox marathon yesterday 27 miles 3600ft elevation went out this morning and did 10 miles 1300ft .

On sunday i'm doing the purbeck trail marathon and the following week i'm due 10 miles and 8 miles but i've entererd bristol half.

Now i'm having 2nd thoughts re Bristol as i'm not sure a flat fast road race is going to help in anyway with the atlantic challenge .

Options are just do the same distance on the quantocks /exmoor for free or do day 2 of the cotswold way which would be 50k and still give me 2 weeks before the atlantic challenge ?
I'm doing this as well - have done nowhere near enough training so will have to hope my body remembers how to cover that sort of distance.

Did the Jurassic Coast Challenge last year which was great fun.

Based on my experience of that a fast flat road run isn't going to assist much with ACC - it's more about time on your feet and ability to keep going whilst keeping the sea on your right that will see you to the end.
Awesome i'll see you there then .

I've binned the idea of Bristol half , i'll head to minehead and do 20-24 on the sw coast path then i'm tapering .

feef

5,206 posts

182 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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grumbledoak said:
Impressive grip!
Phone rotation ftw

Rich_W

12,548 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Watched the last 10k or so of Berlin Marathon this morning.


Kipchoge is astonishing! Up to 39K, he was below WR time. But he looked like he was jogging! So relaxed! Put a spurt on and broke the WR by over a minute!

Kimetto 2014 2h02.57
Kipchoge 2018 2h01.37 eek

Sub2 is coming and I cant see anyone other than him who will take it



There was a hand cyclist too close to him for comfort the last few K too! Pretty much half wheeling him at times! It bugged the hell out of me and he was so busy trying to be on TV that he nearly went down the wrong finish chute! So had to carve across to his left as Kipchoge was moving right!

Knob! rolleyes

Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 16th September 11:23

The jiffle king

6,894 posts

257 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Thats an amazing world record and not sure how anyone can pace him as there are just not enough people who can get to halfway in the time he needs never mind to 20 miles

Stunning performance

Cybertronian

1,516 posts

162 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Absolutely incredible!

Olympic champion. World record holder of the fastest unofficial marathon. World record holder of the fastest official marathon.

Rich_W said:
There was a hand cyclist too close to him for comfort the last few K too! Pretty much half wheeling him at times! It bugged the hell out of me and he was so busy trying to be on TV that he nearly went down the wrong finish chute! So had to carve across to his left as Kipchoge was moving right!

Knob! rolleyes

Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 16th September 11:23
Just saw the footage and agree entirely - the handcyclist was just an attention we and would've potentially wrote Kipchoge off if he'd have clattered into him!

Edited by Cybertronian on Sunday 16th September 11:54

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Did the purbeck trail marathon today , 3464ft done in 4.44

Pre race my plan was to try and just bimble around doing 1030-11 min miles and really dial down my nutrition ahead of my atlantic coast challenge.

What actually happened was i did the first half to quick and paid for it the 2nd half then , spewed up just after i crossed the finish line.

I only drank a bottle and a half of tail wind and a few cups of water so might of been dehydrated ?

The tailwind leaflet recons a 500ml bottle per hour !

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Glad the Naked Band was purchased. I got mine as a pole stash, as my old SLab vest doesn't take a pole bag. Very glad they're in the UK now. It put me off buying another.



On the GPS front, I have found time spent in prep to be worthwhile, and I use an old (and ste) Fenix 1 watch with a breadcrumb trail. I never, ever use the race supplied GPX. Ever. Never seen one that was correct or accurate enough (IMHO #OCD).

I use the OS maps available on Bing, plus MapMyRun on sat image to plot a route. Let's assume I'm doing it for a race, with known checkpoints.

I'll use the race description to slowly lay the trail and compare the sat image to the OS map to the text/organiser's map in order to get the best breadcrumb. Doing this in detail takes time, but it also lets you see the whole route in detail, spot potential errors with paths forking at similar angles, getting a feel for field entry and exit points and understanding if the OS path and the path of convenience are really the same thing. Woodlands are a bit of a pain, but you can usually equate a thinning of the trees to a path and judge with the OS map. As long as the entry and exit points are accurate, usually you'll be OK, but it pays to know using the OS if you are exiting a wood higher or lower as this informs decisions when in the trees. This is my nemesis and I often do a Barkley style plunge from the wrong to right path when I've mad a mistake. In training, I always take the higher path if I'm unsure as it's extra climbing. In races, I'll think about it more and try and get it right.

If I cross roads, I use streetview to find the footpath entry and exit, so I know I may have to go right/left by 30 metres to find the next stile.

I mention checkpoints, because if they're easy to miss, or slightly off course, I tend to put a 200m2 square around them (essentially pretending to run to the CP, straight through, then in a perfect square around it), so I get this odd looking thing loom up on my screen, giving me advanced warning. No one likes to backtrack after 40 miles. Yes, it screws with your overall distance on the nav side, but better that than miss jellybabies.

And of course, the more remote the area, the more essential it is to have a map and compass and know how to use them. But we all carry a map each time right? At the least, I photograph the relevant map sections on my phone, assuming I'd be pretty unlucky to lose a watch and a phone on the same run.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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It’s been a while since I last posted but thought I’d put in an updated one while sat on the train!

I spent the summer training for a different challenge-a 5km open water swim. Unfortunately after a summer’s training I got ill on the day of the actual swim and wasn’t able to do it! It was so frustrating but it has left me with some good base cardio fitness.

However, I haven’t managed to get any particular running sessions in so my speed and tempo ability have suffered over the summer.

I did a parkrun this weekend in 19 minutes, so slow (a minute down on my best) but no as slow as I maybe expected and I was pleased with the pacing (miles within 5 seconds) and the overall effort. It certainly gives me a good starting point to go off for cross country.

Is anyone on here doing cross country races this season?