The Running Thread Vol 2

The Running Thread Vol 2

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Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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Ran to the race, then, kitted up like a classic "all the gear" guy with my SLab race vest, proceeded to knock out a 1.39.38, 26 seconds shy of my 2004 pb.

I also managed to remove the tee shirt I had on below my running vest and stow it, then replace the running vest and SLab vest, all while keeping 7.45/mile pace. dhead overdressed didn't he?!

I got a lift home instead of running, mainly because my boy was upset he'd missed seeing me run past. Perfect time for Gran to be pulling a jumper over his head. I'm confident I could have easily done so though.

Now, if only my shin wasn't niggly...

C0ffin D0dger

3,440 posts

144 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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This weekend's efforts have made me realise that cross country is a bit of a different ball game to the road running I'm used to! 10k and 275m of climbing was interesting, haven't had to walk a bit of a run for quite some time! I signed up to four of these laugh Still it can only make me stronger right biggrin

That said once the hill had been climbed the view was absolutely stunning on the very clear Sunday morning we had and the run back down again was good fun.

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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C0ffin D0dger said:
This weekend's efforts have made me realise that cross country is a bit of a different ball game to the road running I'm used to! 10k and 275m of climbing was interesting, haven't had to walk a bit of a run for quite some time! I signed up to four of these laugh Still it can only make me stronger right biggrin

That said once the hill had been climbed the view was absolutely stunning on the very clear Sunday morning we had and the run back down again was good fun.
Top job.

SpydieNut

5,794 posts

222 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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Smitters said:
Ran to the race, then, kitted up like a classic "all the gear" guy with my SLab race vest, proceeded to knock out a 1.39.38, 26 seconds shy of my 2004 pb.

I also managed to remove the tee shirt I had on below my running vest and stow it, then replace the running vest and SLab vest, all while keeping 7.45/mile pace. dhead overdressed didn't he?!

I got a lift home instead of running, mainly because my boy was upset he'd missed seeing me run past. Perfect time for Gran to be pulling a jumper over his head. I'm confident I could have easily done so though.

Now, if only my shin wasn't niggly...
nice run thumbup overdressing at the start, esp if it's cool (and rainy) but not *cold* is easily done - but rather that then get halfway around and feel
chilled.

Langdale was great - and also drizzly, with temps hovering around 12*C. enough that i put a normal running t-shirt under my club vest, as I thought a few hours running in drizzle may not be the best idea dressed just in shorts and vest. in the end i was comfortable all the way around - temperature wise. some of the hills on lap 2 were walked biggrin. still really enjoyed it and am waiting for them to open the entries so i can get in early for next year's run. it's like no run i've ever done before.

in fact, the g/f and i are both off work tomorrow and plan to head back up and walk one lap smile

C0ffin D0dger said:
This weekend's efforts have made me realise that cross country is a bit of a different ball game to the road running I'm used to! 10k and 275m of climbing was interesting, haven't had to walk a bit of a run for quite some time! I signed up to four of these laugh Still it can only make me stronger right biggrin

That said once the hill had been climbed the view was absolutely stunning on the very clear Sunday morning we had and the run back down again was good fun.
nicely done thumbup and yes, a few miles on the trails and fells is a lot tougher than a few miles on the roads biggrinbiggrin. keep at it - it will certainly build strength and stamina. and well done!

FunkyNige

8,859 posts

274 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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How quickly would you start running again after a chesty cough? I had to pull out of the Palma half marathon 2 Sundays ago as I just couldn't stop coughing (annoying as I'd done a decent amount of training too!), now I still have a cough in the evenings but in the daytime I'm fine (unless I eat something salty).
Is it best to leave it another week before running again?
Need to find another half to do soon so all this training isn't wasted...

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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FunkyNige said:
How quickly would you start running again after a chesty cough? I had to pull out of the Palma half marathon 2 Sundays ago as I just couldn't stop coughing (annoying as I'd done a decent amount of training too!), now I still have a cough in the evenings but in the daytime I'm fine (unless I eat something salty).
Is it best to leave it another week before running again?
Need to find another half to do soon so all this training isn't wasted...
I always struggle with this....best advice: run easy and see how you feel.

Don't worry about 'losing it', you might lose 5% of your VO2 max but it is quickly gained. Training is never wasted. Every mile adds to your running experience. Do not worry.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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Smitters said:
I also managed to remove the tee shirt I had on below my running vest and stow it, then replace the running vest and SLab vest, all while keeping 7.45/mile pace. dhead overdressed didn't he?!
This, for me is the biggest achievement there. I love my Salomon vest, I can get to most of what I need without taking it off. But anything in the spine-type pockets means fiddly clasps to get the vest off - I'm planning to look at a UD vest for more changeable conditions (or where I'm carrying more gear/food) because I've seen other runners chuck them off and on again whilst maintaining 5:00/km pace.

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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johnwilliams77 said:
FunkyNige said:
How quickly would you start running again after a chesty cough? I had to pull out of the Palma half marathon 2 Sundays ago as I just couldn't stop coughing (annoying as I'd done a decent amount of training too!), now I still have a cough in the evenings but in the daytime I'm fine (unless I eat something salty).
Is it best to leave it another week before running again?
Need to find another half to do soon so all this training isn't wasted...
I always struggle with this....best advice: run easy and see how you feel.

Don't worry about 'losing it', you might lose 5% of your VO2 max but it is quickly gained. Training is never wasted. Every mile adds to your running experience. Do not worry.
I always go with under/over the neck. If it's a tickly throat couch, I run. If it's in the chest, I don't. I also find using a buff/neck gaiter when coming back useful for keeping me warm around there so the cold air doesn't irritate so much.

tenohfive said:
Smitters said:
I also managed to remove the tee shirt I had on below my running vest and stow it, then replace the running vest and SLab vest, all while keeping 7.45/mile pace. dhead overdressed didn't he?!
This, for me is the biggest achievement there. I love my Salomon vest, I can get to most of what I need without taking it off. But anything in the spine-type pockets means fiddly clasps to get the vest off - I'm planning to look at a UD vest for more changeable conditions (or where I'm carrying more gear/food) because I've seen other runners chuck them off and on again whilst maintaining 5:00/km pace.
I agree - they're light, but a bit too flimsy when you want to manhandle them. Mine's an early one, so I have the small-opening soft flasks and the ridiculously tight flask pockets. If it wasn't in perfect condition, I'd be looking at new packs, but there's simply no justification. It's done 1,000 miles at least and is still like new.

I tend to stow my waterproof, or a bladder in the long upper back pocket, so I can get at that on the run if needs be, but the low rear one needs a dislocated shoulder. I've cramped before now trying to get at it on the run. I've relegated the contents to bulky food, or a headtorch, so it only needs one or two accesses and dislocations a race.

What's funny is that if I check my Strava for the half, I can see the HR spike while I'm dicking about for two minutes. It rises 20bpm, so I went from a low tempo effort to feeling like I was doing a two minute interval, without speeding up. It's a lesson for sure in expending unnecessary energy. Dress for halfway, not how it feels when you step outside!

ETA: With 3 1/2 weeks until my last ultra of the year and nowhere near enough training, plus a damning video session with my physio where it transpires I fold like a concertina when I run tired (foot down, knee in, hips wonky, back leaning out, arms wildly crossing) I am trying to make the best of the last 21 odd days, before retiring to my bunker of planning for 2019 and beyond.

In my quest to see how I can tweak training, plans, targets and the like, I came across this: https://www.fastrunning.com/opinion/comment/is-the...

Clear as mud then. Great.

Yours, with the grumps.

Edited by Smitters on Monday 22 October 16:42


Edited by Smitters on Wednesday 24th October 16:12

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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River Thames Half this morning in Walton-On-Thames. Freezing cold, downpour at the start so was soaking wet, and spent a lot of the race trying to avoid the huge puddles on the towpaths.

On the last half of the year managed to knock another 2mins off the PB, and sneak under my target of sub 1.40 for 2018.

Really happy with the progression, just need to lose a few kg’s aim for the Feb/Mar half’s with a target to get sub 1.35.

fiatpower

3,007 posts

170 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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Ran the NY marathon kick off event (5 miler) today in 35:48, placed 281st out of 5083 runners which I’m more than happy with. Central Park is surprisingly hilly, support was pretty good. Very American, lots of whooping, hollering and “buddies” being thrown around. Surprisingly there was no medal, just a decent tech t shirt and a bagel. Is it an American thing to have no medals?




anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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Nice cross country for me today-on a slightly weird course! A combination of a narrow path and a style before that meant that the first part of every lap was single file, turning it into a bit of a sprint whenever the corse opened up. I was really happy with it though-compared to the first league cross country race it was 1.5 miles further, but i ran it at 30s per mile faster and will hopefully translate into a big improvement position wise! Cross country jet all about time but theres no way I haven’t got fitter with that improvement.

It’s been a good couple of weeks for me-last week I came very close to winning a parkrun (bit frustrated that I didnt but hey-ho!) and I’ve been getting and feeling much fitter.

feef

5,206 posts

182 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Right foot is still swollen although the bruising has gone. Generally no pain, unless I twist it a certain way so I'm still very wary of running on it.

Come this weekend, it'll be a month since my last outing :/

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Second xc race, second schooling by the county vets 50/60+. Jesus. Mugged on the line by a pensioner for 100 and somethingth.

Another lesson would be to not do leg day in the gym the day before. It was partly deliberate self sabotage to slow me down because I have a calf niggle, but it just made everything painful. I ache more than after a road half.

It's so much fun!

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Sunday 4th November 2018
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Great few days in Wales - 44 miles / 3vk over Cader Idris, the Tarenua and Cambrian ranges, super weather and a nice 11hr benchmark time.



Smitters - 'xcountry' always reminds me of hiding behind the canal bridge to skive at school, I was undone when too often I'd appear to do a fast time and was picked to represent the school for a fateful lung busting day in Birkenhead...never picked again!! How times change 35 years on!

Edited by andy_s on Sunday 4th November 22:33

C0ffin D0dger

3,440 posts

144 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Got two runs on this weekend, both trail, a 5 mile on Saturday and a 10k on Sunday. Thought I'd be good for this but my back has been playing up for the last week, half term caravan holiday and something upset it, too much bending around putting up awnings and such.

It's getting better but still a little tender. I've had my back support on the last couple of day which is helping, unfortunately didn't take it on holiday. Not sure what to do this week, would normally run on a Tuesday and Thursday evening for 30 minutes. Don't want to miss out on the weekend.

egor110

16,818 posts

202 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Been a busy 4 weeks for me .

Finished the Atlantic challenge triple marathon, took a week off then did exmoor stagger then ended up doing the Cornish marathon yesterday , legs are shot to fk today far worse than the last day of the triple marathon.

It was one of the blokes from my clubs 100th marathon so I only got the place midweek so turned up yesterday with no plan .

What happened was 4.25 , everything going to well up to mile 18 at Jamaica inn then quads and calfs got tight as fk and things drastically slowed down.


RizzoTheRat

25,085 posts

191 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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andy_s said:
Great few days in Wales - 44 miles / 3vk over Cader Idris, the Tarenua and Cambrian ranges, super weather and a nice 11hr benchmark time.

[url] 'xcountry' always reminds me of hiding behind the canal bridge to skive at school, I was undone when too often I'd appear to do a fast time and was picked to represent the school for a fateful lung busting day in Birkenhead...never picked again!! How times change 35 years on!
I'm not a particularly speedy runner now, but at school I was a sprinter and hated anything longer than 200m, on cross countries I was always at the back with the fat kids.

My club's in a local cross-country league, and one of the events is at my old school, that always feels a bit weird hehe

tenohfive

6,276 posts

181 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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andy_s said:
Great few days in Wales - 44 miles / 3vk over Cader Idris, the Tarenua and Cambrian ranges, super weather and a nice 11hr benchmark time.



Smitters - 'xcountry' always reminds me of hiding behind the canal bridge to skive at school, I was undone when too often I'd appear to do a fast time and was picked to represent the school for a fateful lung busting day in Birkenhead...never picked again!! How times change 35 years on!

Edited by andy_s on Sunday 4th November 22:33
That photo is missing something to truly capture the spirit of autumnal running in the Welsh mountains...
Rain. That's it. Where's the rain?

Looks lovely - boot camp for the DB?

gazza285

9,780 posts

207 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Anyone with experience of shin splints?

I’ve been a regular runner for years, both on and off road, and a competitive fell runner, but for the first time I’m suffering from shin splints.

It started after a bit of parkrun tourism, I ran in Liverpool, which is pretty flat. It was a very wet and the ground was slippy, but I ran alright.

Had a bit of a twinge, but carried on my normal training runs without it getting any worse.

The week after I did a duathlon in Llandegla, which was a six mile run, ten mile on the mountain bike, and a four mile run, over mixed terrain, and after I could barely walk once the adrenaline and endorphins had worn off.

I had a week off training, which eased the pain, but then traveled with the family up to Whinlatter, for the parkrun there. Same thing, managed alright while running, but the pain after was bad.

I haven’t run since, so nine days, and the pain hasn’t gone entirely, but it has eased. I’ve had it strapped up with kinesiology tape for the first six days, but nothing now. I’m seeing advice on the NHS site suggesting a six week break, but I get restless if I’m not out three times a week.

Anyone here got any experience? How long did you rest? I’ve dropped two fell runs this weekend, but there’s one of my favourite events coming up on the 17th, and I don’t want to miss that one...

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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tenohfive said:
That photo is missing something to truly capture the spirit of autumnal running in the Welsh mountains...
Rain. That's it. Where's the rain?

Looks lovely - boot camp for the DB?
Ha - yeah, exceptional views for a change! And yes, a solo recce of day 3 - I think it saves about half to an hour of time a day just on nav - not my preference to recce but marginal gains etc.