The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
Bit of a whinge/grumble coming up 
How do you get over a bad race? How do you know what to change for next time?
Background: Previous Marathon best 4h20 in 2014. Didn't really train properly for that. Managed to run for 38K then before I blew up. I did a Iron Distance Tri last year, RideLondon100 bike ride, Box Hill (8/24/8 mile) duathlon in November, so I'm not starting from nothing .
I trained for 16 weeks religiously for Brighton Marathon. I used a generic Asics 3h30 plan. Linky Which was always ambitious, I couldn't hit some of the faster intervals in terms of length for a good few weeks at the beginning. My expectation on race day was of being somewhere near 3h45. I've never trained so consistently for running. Numerous 40 MPW with a peak of 50mpw. Long runs included 2x 20m and a 22m. Long ones done at a slow pace as is now recommended under the Polarized training. (it was the only thing I changed from the Asics plan) Otherwise felt decent going into it, though possibly still feeling a bit snotty from a cold I'd picked up 2 weeks previously.
Hung with the 3:45 pacers for the first half, felt like I was working for it, but it was still on the comfortable side of Tempo. Slightly before half way I could feel myself starting to get laboured, Brief walk for a Gel. Then got going again. But then it became a s
t show where I felt like I was going slower than if I walked. More walks followed, interspersed with 3 more gels and water from the course. Headwind was a st for 5 miles, my head had given up at this point anyway. And eventually I rolled in sometime after 4h15!
Feel utterly dejected that I virtually did the same time as last time. Yet I'd run far more consistently. Id paid more attention to my diet. I was lighter in weight. Was relying on my glutes more. Felt like I did everything I could and it wasn't enough. I have another marathon booked for November. So there's time to deal with it. But where do I go from here?
How do you get over a bad race? How do you know what to change for next time?
Background: Previous Marathon best 4h20 in 2014. Didn't really train properly for that. Managed to run for 38K then before I blew up.
I did a Iron Distance Tri last year, RideLondon100 bike ride, Box Hill (8/24/8 mile) duathlon in November, so I'm not starting from nothing .I trained for 16 weeks religiously for Brighton Marathon. I used a generic Asics 3h30 plan. Linky Which was always ambitious, I couldn't hit some of the faster intervals in terms of length for a good few weeks at the beginning. My expectation on race day was of being somewhere near 3h45. I've never trained so consistently for running. Numerous 40 MPW with a peak of 50mpw. Long runs included 2x 20m and a 22m. Long ones done at a slow pace as is now recommended under the Polarized training. (it was the only thing I changed from the Asics plan) Otherwise felt decent going into it, though possibly still feeling a bit snotty from a cold I'd picked up 2 weeks previously.
Hung with the 3:45 pacers for the first half, felt like I was working for it, but it was still on the comfortable side of Tempo. Slightly before half way I could feel myself starting to get laboured, Brief walk for a Gel. Then got going again. But then it became a s
t show where I felt like I was going slower than if I walked. More walks followed, interspersed with 3 more gels and water from the course. Headwind was a st for 5 miles, my head had given up at this point anyway. And eventually I rolled in sometime after 4h15! Feel utterly dejected that I virtually did the same time as last time. Yet I'd run far more consistently. Id paid more attention to my diet. I was lighter in weight. Was relying on my glutes more. Felt like I did everything I could and it wasn't enough. I have another marathon booked for November. So there's time to deal with it. But where do I go from here?
S1KRR said:
Bit of a whinge/grumble coming up
How do you get over a bad race? How do you know what to change for next time?
Background: Previous Marathon best 4h20 in 2014. Didn't really train properly for that. Managed to run for 38K then before I blew up. I did a Iron Distance Tri last year, RideLondon100 bike ride, Box Hill (8/24/8 mile) duathlon in November, so I'm not starting from nothing .
I trained for 16 weeks religiously for Brighton Marathon. I used a generic Asics 3h30 plan. Linky Which was always ambitious, I couldn't hit some of the faster intervals in terms of length for a good few weeks at the beginning. My expectation on race day was of being somewhere near 3h45. I've never trained so consistently for running. Numerous 40 MPW with a peak of 50mpw. Long runs included 2x 20m and a 22m. Long ones done at a slow pace as is now recommended under the Polarized training. (it was the only thing I changed from the Asics plan) Otherwise felt decent going into it, though possibly still feeling a bit snotty from a cold I'd picked up 2 weeks previously.
Hung with the 3:45 pacers for the first half, felt like I was working for it, but it was still on the comfortable side of Tempo. Slightly before half way I could feel myself starting to get laboured, Brief walk for a Gel. Then got going again. But then it became a st show where I felt like I was going slower than if I walked. More walks followed, interspersed with 3 more gels and water from the course. Headwind was a st for 5 miles, my head had given up at this point anyway. And eventually I rolled in sometime after 4h15!
Feel utterly dejected that I virtually did the same time as last time. Yet I'd run far more consistently. Id paid more attention to my diet. I was lighter in weight. Was relying on my glutes more. Felt like I did everything I could and it wasn't enough. I have another marathon booked for November. So there's time to deal with it. But where do I go from here?
Sounds like you may have overcooked it in the first half so aim for a slightly more conservative time next time, say 4 hours, and build from there if it goes well.. make sure that your training includes speed and LT sessions as well as LSRs, although if you're following a plan you're probably OK.How do you get over a bad race? How do you know what to change for next time?
Background: Previous Marathon best 4h20 in 2014. Didn't really train properly for that. Managed to run for 38K then before I blew up.
I did a Iron Distance Tri last year, RideLondon100 bike ride, Box Hill (8/24/8 mile) duathlon in November, so I'm not starting from nothing .I trained for 16 weeks religiously for Brighton Marathon. I used a generic Asics 3h30 plan. Linky Which was always ambitious, I couldn't hit some of the faster intervals in terms of length for a good few weeks at the beginning. My expectation on race day was of being somewhere near 3h45. I've never trained so consistently for running. Numerous 40 MPW with a peak of 50mpw. Long runs included 2x 20m and a 22m. Long ones done at a slow pace as is now recommended under the Polarized training. (it was the only thing I changed from the Asics plan) Otherwise felt decent going into it, though possibly still feeling a bit snotty from a cold I'd picked up 2 weeks previously.
Hung with the 3:45 pacers for the first half, felt like I was working for it, but it was still on the comfortable side of Tempo. Slightly before half way I could feel myself starting to get laboured, Brief walk for a Gel. Then got going again. But then it became a s
t show where I felt like I was going slower than if I walked. More walks followed, interspersed with 3 more gels and water from the course. Headwind was a st for 5 miles, my head had given up at this point anyway. And eventually I rolled in sometime after 4h15! Feel utterly dejected that I virtually did the same time as last time. Yet I'd run far more consistently. Id paid more attention to my diet. I was lighter in weight. Was relying on my glutes more. Felt like I did everything I could and it wasn't enough. I have another marathon booked for November. So there's time to deal with it. But where do I go from here?
If it's any consolation I know a few people who struggled at the end at Brighton this year.
S1KRR said:
Bit of a whinge/grumble coming up
How do you get over a bad race? How do you know what to change for next time?
I have a couple of observations and questions:How do you get over a bad race? How do you know what to change for next time?
My main question is was it actually a bad race? Bear with me here because it sounds like you made some smart decisions going in, following a plan for one thing, setting an ambitious plan, but aiming for a sensible or slightly ambitious target - nothing wrong with that - based on your training.
- A rule of thumb is that your five longest runs should total over 100 miles.
- Around the 4 hour pace mark, long runs and race pace are often very close, so it feels comfy for much of race day.
- Around 3.30, your long run pace would still be toward the nine m/mile mark (IMHO), but you would also be including some midweek medium length runs with a fast section. So, at peak, 15 miles with a 4 mile easy start, 9 miles at 7m/mile and 2 miles easy. The Asics plan is big on volume, but lacks speed endurance sessions, especially if you keep the long runs entirely easy
- Come the end of training should be able to to run a 1.45 half marathon at total ease. Doing exactly this a few weeks out is a good test/benchmarking exercise. How did the week 10 long run go?
You've got 16 weeks of solid training and an endurance base going into that. I would take another week easy then get back on the horse. Right conditions, right day and a few more midweek medium length runs with 9-10 miles of half marathon or quicker running and you'll be golden. I'd cut the Wednesday run entirely, and do the med/long on Thursday. Either maintain the running over the summer, target a few faster shorter races then get back into it for Autumn, or find a race in 6-8 weeks and smash it.
gazza285 said:
Ran my first road half marathon yesterday,
I finished in 1:37:10, which is about what I expected,...
Well done Gazza …. A 1:37:10 is a great time for someone your age & weight I finished in 1:37:10, which is about what I expected,...
Scabutz said:
Whilst we are on the subject of road vs trail I have a question. I am planning on a trail ultra towards the end of the year. If I am mixing trail and road should I be carrying different shoes and swapping them? The ultra I am doing is going to involve carrying some mandatory kit so will need to get used to running with a pack.
Hi Scabutz … I never run off road / trail but occasionally run a trail event - (Ratrace UTA last weekend ) 
and find the slower pace easily makes up for the terrain, If you can get a few off road runs in all the better but I never seem to get the opportunities, I'd recommend a decent pair of offroad/trail running shoes, these are slightly heavier "on road" but I only use mine for these events, I'd also get a recommended running vest and practice at (for eg) parkrun with it loaded
S1KRR said:
Bit of a whinge/grumble coming up
How do you get over a bad race? But where do I go from here?
Hi S1KRR …. I'd listen to Smitters … 4:15 isn't to shabby …. Run for enjoyment How do you get over a bad race? But where do I go from here?
Of course your prep shouldn't involve being sat on the hard shoulder of the M6 with an engine bay looking like this
smn159 said:
If it's any consolation I know a few people who struggled at the end at Brighton this year.
It's a little one. 
That headwind was a bugger! 
Smitters said:
- A rule of thumb is that your five longest runs should total over 100 miles.
Smitters said:
- Around 3.30, your long run pace would still be toward the nine m/mile mark (IMHO), but you would also be including some midweek medium length runs with a fast section. So, at peak, 15 miles with a 4 mile easy start, 9 miles at 7m/mile and 2 miles easy. The Asics plan is big on volume, but lacks speed endurance sessions, especially if you keep the long runs entirely easy
My fastest speed endurance runs were probably 7m50-8m per mile. Not anywhere near 7m pace. Intervals were around 7m20 but never held for anything like that distance. think I fixated on 8m/miles because that 3h30 pace (which I always knew was a stretch) so didn't to the "all out" longer sessions at the correct pace, because a) I couldn't physically do them and b) It was so far in advance of my race pace.
Smitters said:
. How did the week 10 long run go?
According to my training diary. On Week 10. I've just written "felt flat" Though both Week 9 and Week 11 I put "felt good" though. But it probably backs up your assessment.Smitters said:
You've got 16 weeks of solid training and an endurance base going into that. I would take another week easy then get back on the horse. Right conditions, right day and a few more midweek medium length runs with 9-10 miles of half marathon or quicker running and you'll be golden. I'd cut the Wednesday run entirely, and do the med/long on Thursday. Either maintain the running over the summer, target a few faster shorter races then get back into it for Autumn, or find a race in 6-8 weeks and smash it.
So to go back to the Asics 3h30 plan. Can I clarifyYou'd suggest changing Wednesdays various "easy" runs. And instead doing a speed endurance set working up to something like you said earlier.
at peak, 15 miles with a 4 mile easy start, 9 miles at 7m/mile and 2 miles easy.
As it would address the deficit of that type of work in the overall plan.
OR
Do you mean UP the pace of the Thursday sessions fast bits. And make Wednesday another rest day?
OR (sorry
)Are we talking more about maintaining/increasing speed between now with a few races, before starting another 16wk build up to my race in November
Thanks very much for the assessment of my training.
I've already had a cursory look on Southern Running Guides website for some other events between now and November. Probably looking at halves more than 10Ks. T6 vanman said:
Hi S1KRR …. I'd listen to Smitters … 4:15 isn't to shabby …. Run for enjoyment
He is a knowledgeable chap! T6 vanman said:
Of course your prep shouldn't involve being sat on the hard shoulder of the M6 with an engine bay looking like this
Edited by S1KRR on Friday 19th April 00:01
S1KRR said:
Smitters said:
You've got 16 weeks of solid training and an endurance base going into that. I would take another week easy then get back on the horse. Right conditions, right day and a few more midweek medium length runs with 9-10 miles of half marathon or quicker running and you'll be golden. I'd cut the Wednesday run entirely, and do the med/long on Thursday. Either maintain the running over the summer, target a few faster shorter races then get back into it for Autumn, or find a race in 6-8 weeks and smash it.
So to go back to the Asics 3h30 plan. Can I clarifyYou'd suggest changing Wednesdays various "easy" runs. And instead doing a speed endurance set working up to something like you said earlier.
at peak, 15 miles with a 4 mile easy start, 9 miles at 7m/mile and 2 miles easy.
As it would address the deficit of that type of work in the overall plan.
OR
Do you mean UP the pace of the Thursday sessions fast bits. And make Wednesday another rest day?
OR (sorry
)Are we talking more about maintaining/increasing speed between now with a few races, before starting another 16wk build up to my race in November
Thanks very much for the assessment of my training.
I've already had a cursory look on Southern Running Guides website for some other events between now and November. Probably looking at halves more than 10Ks. For Wednesdays, I would either treat it as a rest day after a hard Tuesday, or if you must run, stick to a max of 4-5 miles, very easy. You can always do something like 2 miles easy, then some drills and then another 2. Or, alternatively, if you have any niggles, this can be a dedicated session to work on those, either as directed via physio, or by having a foam rolling and mobility session, or simply doing a core session.
For Thursdays, I would then go for something like:
W1: 2E/4T/2E
W2: 2E/5T/2E
W3: 2E/5T/2E
W4: 2E/4T/2E
W5: 2E/5T/2E
W6: 2E/6T/2E
W7: 2E/6T/2E
W8: 2E/5T/2E
W9: 3E/7T/2E
W10: 3E/8T/2E
W11: 3E/9T/2E
W12: 2E/5T/2E
W13: 3E/9T/2E
W14: 3E/7T/2E
W15: 2E/6T/2E
W16: 3E
E=Easy, T=Tempo - between current ten k and current half marathon race pace. So if you were aiming for sub 3.45, then your half race should be close to, preferably under 1.40, 4.45/km or 7.40/mile and 10k around 43-4 mins, 4.30/km, 7.10/mile. If that 10k time looks easier to achieve than the half time, that backs up my thinking on speed endurance. So the T pace for W1- 6 would be based on an expected half race pace. W6 and W10 have a half race on Sunday, so then you can use that to adjust the T pace up or down a bit (no big jumps) or not, if the race goes badly for some reason. From W1, T=4.40/km wouldn't be a bad spot to start, the aim to complete the session with the T section evenly paced, effort gently increasing.
If you jump into the program at a later week and 4.40 feels easy to achieve, do the next one 5s/km or 8s/m quicker and see how you fair, but make sure you do all the tempo session at that pace. At peak, you'd be getting 14 miles with 9 miles at close to half pace, well under your target marathon pace and on tired legs from long runs and fast Tuesdays. This should make marathon pace seem easy, which is should for at least 13 and ideally 18+ miles on race day.
Whether you use the plan in a 16 week build up, or hit a race sooner is up to you. If you redo the plan for Autumn, the other suggestion/observation I would make is the Asics plan doesn't seem to have tangible rest weeks. Typically the suggestion is one in four, but everyone's different. It would be worth looking at your training diary and seeing if there were any weeks where you felt off, it was a real struggle, or you cut back on the plan - this would point you to your rest interval, be it 3/4/5 weeks. Rest is vital for training adaptation, so it's necessary. If all else fails, cut each workout by 1/3, or cross train on a bike/in the pool. You aren't going to lose much, if anything by taking a rest week, but you can definitely lose by getting an over-use injury and over-training.
Hopefully that makes sense. Sorry - I rambled on much longer than I intended.
Smitters said:
Sorry for the delay - busy eating chocolate...
For Wednesdays, I would either treat it as a rest day after a hard Tuesday, or if you must run, stick to a max of 4-5 miles, very easy. You can always do something like 2 miles easy, then some drills and then another 2. Or, alternatively, if you have any niggles, this can be a dedicated session to work on those, either as directed via physio, or by having a foam rolling and mobility session, or simply doing a core session.
For Thursdays, I would then go for something like:
W1: 2E/4T/2E
W2: 2E/5T/2E
W3: 2E/5T/2E
W4: 2E/4T/2E
W5: 2E/5T/2E
W6: 2E/6T/2E
W7: 2E/6T/2E
W8: 2E/5T/2E
W9: 3E/7T/2E
W10: 3E/8T/2E
W11: 3E/9T/2E
W12: 2E/5T/2E
W13: 3E/9T/2E
W14: 3E/7T/2E
W15: 2E/6T/2E
W16: 3E
E=Easy, T=Tempo - between current ten k and current half marathon race pace. So if you were aiming for sub 3.45, then your half race should be close to, preferably under 1.40, 4.45/km or 7.40/mile and 10k around 43-4 mins, 4.30/km, 7.10/mile. If that 10k time looks easier to achieve than the half time, that backs up my thinking on speed endurance. So the T pace for W1- 6 would be based on an expected half race pace. W6 and W10 have a half race on Sunday, so then you can use that to adjust the T pace up or down a bit (no big jumps) or not, if the race goes badly for some reason. From W1, T=4.40/km wouldn't be a bad spot to start, the aim to complete the session with the T section evenly paced, effort gently increasing.
If you jump into the program at a later week and 4.40 feels easy to achieve, do the next one 5s/km or 8s/m quicker and see how you fair, but make sure you do all the tempo session at that pace. At peak, you'd be getting 14 miles with 9 miles at close to half pace, well under your target marathon pace and on tired legs from long runs and fast Tuesdays. This should make marathon pace seem easy, which is should for at least 13 and ideally 18+ miles on race day.
Whether you use the plan in a 16 week build up, or hit a race sooner is up to you. If you redo the plan for Autumn, the other suggestion/observation I would make is the Asics plan doesn't seem to have tangible rest weeks. Typically the suggestion is one in four, but everyone's different. It would be worth looking at your training diary and seeing if there were any weeks where you felt off, it was a real struggle, or you cut back on the plan - this would point you to your rest interval, be it 3/4/5 weeks. Rest is vital for training adaptation, so it's necessary. If all else fails, cut each workout by 1/3, or cross train on a bike/in the pool. You aren't going to lose much, if anything by taking a rest week, but you can definitely lose by getting an over-use injury and over-training.
Hopefully that makes sense. Sorry - I rambled on much longer than I intended.
Firstly. I too have been eating Lindt bunnies For Wednesdays, I would either treat it as a rest day after a hard Tuesday, or if you must run, stick to a max of 4-5 miles, very easy. You can always do something like 2 miles easy, then some drills and then another 2. Or, alternatively, if you have any niggles, this can be a dedicated session to work on those, either as directed via physio, or by having a foam rolling and mobility session, or simply doing a core session.
For Thursdays, I would then go for something like:
W1: 2E/4T/2E
W2: 2E/5T/2E
W3: 2E/5T/2E
W4: 2E/4T/2E
W5: 2E/5T/2E
W6: 2E/6T/2E
W7: 2E/6T/2E
W8: 2E/5T/2E
W9: 3E/7T/2E
W10: 3E/8T/2E
W11: 3E/9T/2E
W12: 2E/5T/2E
W13: 3E/9T/2E
W14: 3E/7T/2E
W15: 2E/6T/2E
W16: 3E
E=Easy, T=Tempo - between current ten k and current half marathon race pace. So if you were aiming for sub 3.45, then your half race should be close to, preferably under 1.40, 4.45/km or 7.40/mile and 10k around 43-4 mins, 4.30/km, 7.10/mile. If that 10k time looks easier to achieve than the half time, that backs up my thinking on speed endurance. So the T pace for W1- 6 would be based on an expected half race pace. W6 and W10 have a half race on Sunday, so then you can use that to adjust the T pace up or down a bit (no big jumps) or not, if the race goes badly for some reason. From W1, T=4.40/km wouldn't be a bad spot to start, the aim to complete the session with the T section evenly paced, effort gently increasing.
If you jump into the program at a later week and 4.40 feels easy to achieve, do the next one 5s/km or 8s/m quicker and see how you fair, but make sure you do all the tempo session at that pace. At peak, you'd be getting 14 miles with 9 miles at close to half pace, well under your target marathon pace and on tired legs from long runs and fast Tuesdays. This should make marathon pace seem easy, which is should for at least 13 and ideally 18+ miles on race day.
Whether you use the plan in a 16 week build up, or hit a race sooner is up to you. If you redo the plan for Autumn, the other suggestion/observation I would make is the Asics plan doesn't seem to have tangible rest weeks. Typically the suggestion is one in four, but everyone's different. It would be worth looking at your training diary and seeing if there were any weeks where you felt off, it was a real struggle, or you cut back on the plan - this would point you to your rest interval, be it 3/4/5 weeks. Rest is vital for training adaptation, so it's necessary. If all else fails, cut each workout by 1/3, or cross train on a bike/in the pool. You aren't going to lose much, if anything by taking a rest week, but you can definitely lose by getting an over-use injury and over-training.
Hopefully that makes sense. Sorry - I rambled on much longer than I intended.
You have no reason to apologiseSecondly. WOW!
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply! It makes complete sense what you have suggested, and I cant stress enough how grateful I am for you to spend the time to write it out. It is far from rambling!
Inevitably you are probably quite accurate in your suggestion of reduced volume weeks. Certainly a few times over the weeks I felt a bit laboured. Maybe not every session in a week, but more than a couple..
Thanks again for taking the time! I'll definitely incorporate these suggestions into the plan
S1KRR said:
Firstly. I too have been eating Lindt bunnies You have no reason to apologise
Secondly. WOW!
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply! It makes complete sense what you have suggested, and I cant stress enough how grateful I am for you to spend the time to write it out. It is far from rambling!
Inevitably you are probably quite accurate in your suggestion of reduced volume weeks. Certainly a few times over the weeks I felt a bit laboured. Maybe not every session in a week, but more than a couple..
Thanks again for taking the time! I'll definitely incorporate these suggestions into the plan
No worries - the position is made slightly easier by my having experienced it. Twice. I'll be aiming for a big half pb in October and marathon pb next spring, so I'll have to take my own advice this year too! You have no reason to apologiseSecondly. WOW!
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply! It makes complete sense what you have suggested, and I cant stress enough how grateful I am for you to spend the time to write it out. It is far from rambling!
Inevitably you are probably quite accurate in your suggestion of reduced volume weeks. Certainly a few times over the weeks I felt a bit laboured. Maybe not every session in a week, but more than a couple..
Thanks again for taking the time! I'll definitely incorporate these suggestions into the plan
Smitters said:
No worries - the position is made slightly easier by my having experienced it. Twice. I'll be aiming for a big half pb in October and marathon pb next spring, so I'll have to take my own advice this year too!
Good luck with your PBs Woody John said:
Very disappointed in Sir Mo.
It's all a bit strange isn't it. But I'm not sure why its all been leaked now when it happened in January. And seemingly the parties concerned have all patched things up since. A cynic might say it's designed to destabilise him before his A race....
VEIGHT said:
26.2 miles to do this Sunday at the London Marathon! Furthest I've ever run is 18!
Lets hope all this training pays off!
Wish me luck!
Good luck. Lets hope all this training pays off!
Wish me luck!
I dunno if you normally run with headphones. If you do. DON'T on Sunday
Edited by S1KRR on Thursday 25th April 22:51
johnwilliams77 said:
Woody John said:
Very disappointed in Sir Mo.
I really wanted to like him (like Lewis) but the amount of things he has done and how he conducts himself makes it very difficult to do so (like Lewis!)I agree - the timing is very suspect on the Mo Farah thing. He's never been a huge fan of a combative press (who would be I guess), especially after the Salazar stuff, but whether or not he's handled it well will show on Sunday.
My take on the whole thing is they've leaked the "Mo may run track in 2020" as a way of diffusing the pressure over the marathon career he's been targeting. He's obviously got very high expectations and I would guess, hasn't met them which has created pressure too. He wasn't fast right out of the box and looks to be second tier to the very very fast few in a flat out event. He may do well in a championship race though, where some tactics come into play and the overall finish time is closer to 2.10 than 2.02.
A poor result on Sunday that's not down to external factors and I think he'll go back to the track for Tokyo. I also think that would be a terrible idea. A good result and the 2020 marathon will be his target, plus getting those elusive minutes squared away. Let's not ignore the fact that Mo's pb puts him 3/4 of a mile down the road at world record pace. That's a massive gap to deal with.
To all those running on Sunday (anywhere really), have a great race. I wish I could get a bloody place in London, just once. The way the lottery goes, GFA may be my only hope! I shall get my LSR done early, then settle in for the Beebs coverage with a coffee and my aching feet up.
My take on the whole thing is they've leaked the "Mo may run track in 2020" as a way of diffusing the pressure over the marathon career he's been targeting. He's obviously got very high expectations and I would guess, hasn't met them which has created pressure too. He wasn't fast right out of the box and looks to be second tier to the very very fast few in a flat out event. He may do well in a championship race though, where some tactics come into play and the overall finish time is closer to 2.10 than 2.02.
A poor result on Sunday that's not down to external factors and I think he'll go back to the track for Tokyo. I also think that would be a terrible idea. A good result and the 2020 marathon will be his target, plus getting those elusive minutes squared away. Let's not ignore the fact that Mo's pb puts him 3/4 of a mile down the road at world record pace. That's a massive gap to deal with.
To all those running on Sunday (anywhere really), have a great race. I wish I could get a bloody place in London, just once. The way the lottery goes, GFA may be my only hope! I shall get my LSR done early, then settle in for the Beebs coverage with a coffee and my aching feet up.
VEIGHT said:
26.2 miles to do this Sunday at the London Marathon! Furthest I've ever run is 18!
Lets hope all this training pays off!
Wish me luck!
(anyone else going on Sunday?)
I'm running on Sunday and there's plenty I know who've "only" done 18 as their longest run in preparation. I got up to 20 but struggled and probably didn't recover properly (not enough stretching!) from my 18 the week before which I thought went well.Lets hope all this training pays off!
Wish me luck!
(anyone else going on Sunday?)
This will be my 1st marathon, not bothered too much about a time, a medal and foil blanket will do me fine (sub 5 hrs would be a bonus), I do feel I've trained for it but that last 60-90 minutes will be new territory.
Good luck (Stuart, 45171)
Smitters said:
I agree - the timing is very suspect on the Mo Farah thing. He's never been a huge fan of a combative press (who would be I guess), especially after the Salazar stuff, but whether or not he's handled it well will show on Sunday.
My take on the whole thing is they've leaked the "Mo may run track in 2020" as a way of diffusing the pressure over the marathon career he's been targeting. He's obviously got very high expectations and I would guess, hasn't met them which has created pressure too. He wasn't fast right out of the box and looks to be second tier to the very very fast few in a flat out event. He may do well in a championship race though, where some tactics come into play and the overall finish time is closer to 2.10 than 2.02.
A poor result on Sunday that's not down to external factors and I think he'll go back to the track for Tokyo. I also think that would be a terrible idea. A good result and the 2020 marathon will be his target, plus getting those elusive minutes squared away. Let's not ignore the fact that Mo's pb puts him 3/4 of a mile down the road at world record pace. That's a massive gap to deal with.
To all those running on Sunday (anywhere really), have a great race. I wish I could get a bloody place in London, just once. The way the lottery goes, GFA may be my only hope! I shall get my LSR done early, then settle in for the Beebs coverage with a coffee and my aching feet up.
Yes, maybe trying to mess with his head before Sunday.My take on the whole thing is they've leaked the "Mo may run track in 2020" as a way of diffusing the pressure over the marathon career he's been targeting. He's obviously got very high expectations and I would guess, hasn't met them which has created pressure too. He wasn't fast right out of the box and looks to be second tier to the very very fast few in a flat out event. He may do well in a championship race though, where some tactics come into play and the overall finish time is closer to 2.10 than 2.02.
A poor result on Sunday that's not down to external factors and I think he'll go back to the track for Tokyo. I also think that would be a terrible idea. A good result and the 2020 marathon will be his target, plus getting those elusive minutes squared away. Let's not ignore the fact that Mo's pb puts him 3/4 of a mile down the road at world record pace. That's a massive gap to deal with.
To all those running on Sunday (anywhere really), have a great race. I wish I could get a bloody place in London, just once. The way the lottery goes, GFA may be my only hope! I shall get my LSR done early, then settle in for the Beebs coverage with a coffee and my aching feet up.
Track to road is the usual progression with advancing age; many like Kipchoge do that very early on. Going back to track again would be highly unusual, and compounding that it would carry a lot of expectation. I see no shame at all in Mo's marathon results; he's been going at a fair old pace, and it just so happens he reached further compared to his peers on the track - one of the two has to dominate after all.
Let's hope the press can keep off Mo's back on Sunday and he has a good race.
Does anyone have a watch where you can follow a GPX trace and actually get an ultra distance out of the battery? I did an event yesterday, average finish time is around 8hrs. The course is completely unmarked but the organisers supply a map and a GPX file.
The GPX file is obviously the easier of the two to use, but I spoke to a number of people who were expecting to need to use the map for the final hour or so. My TomTom Runner 3 has an excellent, clear GPX trace function (and they're easy to import) where it essentially shows you the line and how close you are to that line, but mine too gave up about 45 minutes from the end.
The GPX file is obviously the easier of the two to use, but I spoke to a number of people who were expecting to need to use the map for the final hour or so. My TomTom Runner 3 has an excellent, clear GPX trace function (and they're easy to import) where it essentially shows you the line and how close you are to that line, but mine too gave up about 45 minutes from the end.
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