The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
I see Run 101 have gone under and shut shop a few days before the biggest event in their calendar (Cotswold 24hr), lots of people have lost a huge amount of money in the process as it's not a cheap event to do and most understandably angry as they admitted they've had cash flow issues for ages but had hoped last minute entries would sort them out (apparently).
I did it a few years ago, fantastic event and was really busy. Since then ultra endurance events have really exploded so I guess just too many out there, particularly smaller cheaper ones that in my view are much nicer than these big commercial events.
I did it a few years ago, fantastic event and was really busy. Since then ultra endurance events have really exploded so I guess just too many out there, particularly smaller cheaper ones that in my view are much nicer than these big commercial events.
ukaskew said:
I see Run 101 have gone under and shut shop a few days before the biggest event in their calendar (Cotswold 24hr), lots of people have lost a huge amount of money in the process as it's not a cheap event to do and most understandably angry as they admitted they've had cash flow issues for ages but had hoped last minute entries would sort them out (apparently).
I did it a few years ago, fantastic event and was really busy. Since then ultra endurance events have really exploded so I guess just too many out there, particularly smaller cheaper ones that in my view are much nicer than these big commercial events.
Wow. They're just down the road from me. I did the 24 in 2017. Not only that, I interviewed for a job there, but turned it down. Glad I did. They're a spin off of a bigger (or perhaps less small) company called Pillow I believe. Gutted for the folks involved. The 24 I was entered into in May pulled the plug, but very early, and gave everyone a refund. A shame that their business was so unsustainable that one event's success or failure determined the company's future.I did it a few years ago, fantastic event and was really busy. Since then ultra endurance events have really exploded so I guess just too many out there, particularly smaller cheaper ones that in my view are much nicer than these big commercial events.
Had always fancied the idea of hill running. Decided to get stuck in and gave Ben Lomond a go. Up and down in 2 hours. That was Monday and I felt a sense of achievement. Today I am struggling with stairs 
I've done a bit of running off road but nothing like that, nothing like chucking yourself in at the deep end.
I've done a bit of running off road but nothing like that, nothing like chucking yourself in at the deep end.
JimmyConwayNW said:
Had always fancied the idea of hill running. Decided to get stuck in and gave Ben Lomond a go. Up and down in 2 hours. That was Monday and I felt a sense of achievement. Today I am struggling with stairs
I've done a bit of running off road but nothing like that, nothing like chucking yourself in at the deep end.
And I always thought you were Glyderau/Carneddau based! It's not a bad jaunt up Lomond - Arrochar is a really good playground as well as you can stitch together a few tops. A beautiful place.I've done a bit of running off road but nothing like that, nothing like chucking yourself in at the deep end.
Had a great few days out last week with Mrs Simo up in the NW of Scotland, she's doing Cape Wrath Ultra next year so we set off for some recces in the camper, 2 short days (10 or so miles) and one long (23 miles) - (it's a right faf recceing a linear course with one car in the middle of nowhere...) - my first proper outings since end of May and didn't I feel it - luckily I was also teaching a bit of nav so could cool her jets with some bearing questions when I got out of puff! The long day was spectacular, through the Torridon range and across untracked shattered boulder fields, bog and track - 'I'm withdrawing, this is awful' it says. 3 pints later: 'that was a great day'
I've just been given the date for a minor op I need as the 13th September. I'm registered for the Ouse Valley Way Marathon on the 15th but now won't be able to run it.
They don't offer cancellations on places, but are happy to transfer, so if anyone fancies a nice flat trail marathon, gimme a shout.
They don't offer cancellations on places, but are happy to transfer, so if anyone fancies a nice flat trail marathon, gimme a shout.
andy_s said:
And I always thought you were Glyderau/Carneddau based! It's not a bad jaunt up Lomond - Arrochar is a really good playground as well as you can stitch together a few tops. A beautiful place.
Had a great few days out last week with Mrs Simo up in the NW of Scotland, she's doing Cape Wrath Ultra next year so we set off for some recces in the camper, 2 short days (10 or so miles) and one long (23 miles) - (it's a right faf recceing a linear course with one car in the middle of nowhere...) - my first proper outings since end of May and didn't I feel it - luckily I was also teaching a bit of nav so could cool her jets with some bearing questions when I got out of puff! The long day was spectacular, through the Torridon range and across untracked shattered boulder fields, bog and track - 'I'm withdrawing, this is awful' it says. 3 pints later: 'that was a great day'
I love the Arrochar Alps Cobbler is probably one of my favourite hills, don't know quite what it is about it just love the view.Had a great few days out last week with Mrs Simo up in the NW of Scotland, she's doing Cape Wrath Ultra next year so we set off for some recces in the camper, 2 short days (10 or so miles) and one long (23 miles) - (it's a right faf recceing a linear course with one car in the middle of nowhere...) - my first proper outings since end of May and didn't I feel it - luckily I was also teaching a bit of nav so could cool her jets with some bearing questions when I got out of puff! The long day was spectacular, through the Torridon range and across untracked shattered boulder fields, bog and track - 'I'm withdrawing, this is awful' it says. 3 pints later: 'that was a great day'
Ive done a lot of walking but just never had the ability to run in the mountains, and was quite impressed and pleased with myself that I did it.
Smitters said:
I had a crack at Pen y Fan last Saturday. Up and back on the main path in 41.58. It hurt a lot.
So obviously this weekend I'm racing 10 miles, the first three of which are uphill. Yay.
Good going, my thighs had only just about recovered yesterday after Monday's run. Long slow 90 mins this afternoon to get back into things.So obviously this weekend I'm racing 10 miles, the first three of which are uphill. Yay.
Ran an ultra yesterday! 50Km in 5.38
Never run more than 20km before and only done that twice, ever, in training. I normally do 5 and 10k's.
Plan was to do 5 hours as my current time for 10 is just under 45 so I thought 5 x 1hr 10ks sounds easy......turns out you slow over time!!!
Anyway, didnt stop - ran the whole thing (didn't want to "complete it" - for me it was about RUNNING an ultra) and was by far the least "ultra running" runner out there at 6ft6 220lbs !
Only thing that surprised me - the support station thing. It's COVER in sweets and crap......I ran on water and 2 gels towards the end. It's 5 hours of jogging - not sure you need so much sugar! and while some of the runners where beasts and ripped to the bone...there was plenty of "larger" people wolfing down brownies every 10k! Fair play to them for being out and about but a bit of thought as to what teir body NEEDS might be an idea? Unless the eating is part of the fun for them...in which case, crack on!
Never run more than 20km before and only done that twice, ever, in training. I normally do 5 and 10k's.
Plan was to do 5 hours as my current time for 10 is just under 45 so I thought 5 x 1hr 10ks sounds easy......turns out you slow over time!!!
Anyway, didnt stop - ran the whole thing (didn't want to "complete it" - for me it was about RUNNING an ultra) and was by far the least "ultra running" runner out there at 6ft6 220lbs !
Only thing that surprised me - the support station thing. It's COVER in sweets and crap......I ran on water and 2 gels towards the end. It's 5 hours of jogging - not sure you need so much sugar! and while some of the runners where beasts and ripped to the bone...there was plenty of "larger" people wolfing down brownies every 10k! Fair play to them for being out and about but a bit of thought as to what teir body NEEDS might be an idea? Unless the eating is part of the fun for them...in which case, crack on!
Tiggsy said:
Ran an ultra yesterday! 50Km in 5.38
Never run more than 20km before and only done that twice, ever, in training. I normally do 5 and 10k's.
Plan was to do 5 hours as my current time for 10 is just under 45 so I thought 5 x 1hr 10ks sounds easy......turns out you slow over time!!!
Anyway, didnt stop - ran the whole thing (didn't want to "complete it" - for me it was about RUNNING an ultra) and was by far the least "ultra running" runner out there at 6ft6 220lbs !
Only thing that surprised me - the support station thing. It's COVER in sweets and crap......I ran on water and 2 gels towards the end. It's 5 hours of jogging - not sure you need so much sugar! and while some of the runners where beasts and ripped to the bone...there was plenty of "larger" people wolfing down brownies every 10k! Fair play to them for being out and about but a bit of thought as to what teir body NEEDS might be an idea? Unless the eating is part of the fun for them...in which case, crack on!
Never run more than 20km before and only done that twice, ever, in training. I normally do 5 and 10k's.
Plan was to do 5 hours as my current time for 10 is just under 45 so I thought 5 x 1hr 10ks sounds easy......turns out you slow over time!!!
Anyway, didnt stop - ran the whole thing (didn't want to "complete it" - for me it was about RUNNING an ultra) and was by far the least "ultra running" runner out there at 6ft6 220lbs !
Only thing that surprised me - the support station thing. It's COVER in sweets and crap......I ran on water and 2 gels towards the end. It's 5 hours of jogging - not sure you need so much sugar! and while some of the runners where beasts and ripped to the bone...there was plenty of "larger" people wolfing down brownies every 10k! Fair play to them for being out and about but a bit of thought as to what teir body NEEDS might be an idea? Unless the eating is part of the fun for them...in which case, crack on!
Ultras are just long mobile picnics Tiggsy - everyone knows that!
Ran my fastest ever mile yesterday. 5.56. Last mile of a ten mile race too...
Was it downhill? Yes. Very.
Did I have any choice in my pace? None.
Am I very pleased I didn't fall over? Yes.
Am I more than a little frightened that the pace for the 50 mile world record is 5.48/mile? Oh yes.
The Standish Woodland Chase - recommended. Cracking course. NB. Fast last mile equals quite tough first mile...
Was it downhill? Yes. Very.
Did I have any choice in my pace? None.
Am I very pleased I didn't fall over? Yes.
Am I more than a little frightened that the pace for the 50 mile world record is 5.48/mile? Oh yes.
The Standish Woodland Chase - recommended. Cracking course. NB. Fast last mile equals quite tough first mile...
andy_s said:
Ultras are just long mobile picnics Tiggsy - everyone knows that!I've been running for a few years, mainly 5k's and 10'ks and run about 35km a week.
The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
Candellara said:
I've been running for a few yearnots, mainly 5k's and 10'ks and run about 35km a week.
The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
In my experience which consists of the London Marathon last year and 2/3 of the way through trying for Berlin this year, is that it's a pretty significant step up. I found that the training exposed any underlying weaknesses and lack of core strength once I got up to the 18-20 mile stage, mainly ITB issues in my case. Much better this year as I've been regularly stretching and undertaking core strength work, but I still feel it on the longer distances.The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
You may not be affected in the same way, depending on your current strength and flexibility, but something to bear in mind.
Candellara said:
I've been running for a few years, mainly 5k's and 10'ks and run about 35km a week.
The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
Go for it. Bit of strength work to support it and patience in training and you'll be fine. Make no mistake though, 20 miles really is half way in a marathon. A really good rule is to make your five longest runs total 100 miles pre-marathon. My other advice would be to do some faster running mid-week, 10-20km at well below target marathon pace to work on speed endurance.The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
Smitters said:
Candellara said:
I've been running for a few years, mainly 5k's and 10'ks and run about 35km a week.
The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
Make no mistake though, 20 miles really is half way in a marathon.The longest event I've done is a half marathon and keep pontificating about stepping up for the full marathon.
I managed the half marathon fine in terms of fitness (this was about 7 months ago and I finished in 1h46m) but my fitness has improved since. The main issue I had was aching back and aching hamstrings towards the end of the half.
How much of a step (excuse the pun) is it from running the half to the full marathon?
Personally, I mentally prepare for the race to start at 30k.
Smitters said:
Go for it. Bit of strength work to support it and patience in training and you'll be fine. Make no mistake though, 20 miles really is half way in a marathon. A really good rule is to make your five longest runs total 100 miles pre-marathon. My other advice would be to do some faster running mid-week, 10-20km at well below target marathon pace to work on speed endurance.
My plan initially was to try and do some 30k+ runs in the gym on the treadmill (I've done a couple of 24ks in the gym). By my reckoning, I've less of a chance of injury and it should give me some endurance preparation?If you are doing a half in 1.46 there's no question you can do a full - depends how "well" you want to do it.
On Sunday I had never run a half, let alone a full - yet did the Ultra I was told I'd be screwed but I'm just off for an easy 10k now and feel good.
SUre, train right - but you should have no doubts that is simple to complete gentley.
On Sunday I had never run a half, let alone a full - yet did the Ultra I was told I'd be screwed but I'm just off for an easy 10k now and feel good.
SUre, train right - but you should have no doubts that is simple to complete gentley.
Tiggsy said:
If you are doing a half in 1.46 there's no question you can do a full - depends how "well" you want to do it.
On Sunday I had never run a half, let alone a full - yet did the Ultra I was told I'd be screwed but I'm just off for an easy 10k now and feel good.
SUre, train right - but you should have no doubts that is simple to complete gentley.
I think i could probably take a good 10 mins out of that time now. We'll see as i'm booked in for a Half Marathon in October. I was considering the full - hence my question but i distinctly remember having back ache and hurting hamstrings towards the end of the half marathon On Sunday I had never run a half, let alone a full - yet did the Ultra I was told I'd be screwed but I'm just off for an easy 10k now and feel good.
SUre, train right - but you should have no doubts that is simple to complete gentley.
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