The Running Thread Vol 2

The Running Thread Vol 2

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RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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ajap1979 said:
Does anyone understand Strava Best Estimated Efforts? Mine are all massively out of kilter with the times I do on a regular basis. For instance my Best Estimated Effort for a half marathon is roughly 10 minutes longer than I would normally run it on a fairly easy day, and I'll do that at least four times a month. Just doesn't make much sense.
Yes, I'm not sure I understand them at all. For me they're coming up as the actual times that I've run, with no estimation at all (e.g. for gradient, stopping etc). For example, today I recorded my "best estimated 1/2 mile effort" during some 1k intervals. The Strava support page says that even if you stop just before the increment, it'll estimate your time, but that's not true for me, because I ran my fastest 10k in a race that was 9.95km long, but Strava has my estimated best effort as a lot slower than that (nearly 2 minutes!), during my first ever 10k months beforehand. The only way to acknowledge that fast 10k was to enter it manually with a link to the official timing page.

Braveheart300

578 posts

188 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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RobM77 said:
ajap1979 said:
Does anyone understand Strava Best Estimated Efforts? Mine are all massively out of kilter with the times I do on a regular basis. For instance my Best Estimated Effort for a half marathon is roughly 10 minutes longer than I would normally run it on a fairly easy day, and I'll do that at least four times a month. Just doesn't make much sense.
Yes, I'm not sure I understand them at all. For me they're coming up as the actual times that I've run, with no estimation at all (e.g. for gradient, stopping etc). For example, today I recorded my "best estimated 1/2 mile effort" during some 1k intervals. The Strava support page says that even if you stop just before the increment, it'll estimate your time, but that's not true for me, because I ran my fastest 10k in a race that was 9.95km long, but Strava has my estimated best effort as a lot slower than that (nearly 2 minutes!), during my first ever 10k months beforehand. The only way to acknowledge that fast 10k was to enter it manually with a link to the official timing page.
It's normally quite spot on i find...within a few seconds. Your best estimated 1/2 mile could easy have been correct as you would have been running past 800m for your 1km reps and i would guess that would have been at a faster pace than when you did it in a 10k race...or else you aren't doing your 1k reps right wink Your 9.95km wouldn't have been picked up by Strava as you need to pass the 10km mark.

I did a 5km effort the other day pacing for 17mins and got the 2nd best estimated effort 16.55 which would have been right enough!

Don't understand the half marathon though Ajap...as it would for sure pick up if you ran 21.1km unless your stopping your watch for whatever reason as it then adds that time your stopped for!

thebraketester

14,192 posts

137 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.

ajap1979

7,900 posts

186 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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thebraketester said:
Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.
Brooks you say?

thebraketester

14,192 posts

137 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Affirmative.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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thebraketester said:
Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.
I'd be interested how you get on. In March I ordered a pair direct from Brooks so I could compare with the Glycerin. The Brooks were faster than the Glycerin, and less floaty, but gave me really bad plantar fasciitis. I went back and forth to confirm it was them, and yep, it was, so they got sent back in the end and I'm now on my second pair of Glycerins.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Braveheart300 said:
RobM77 said:
ajap1979 said:
Does anyone understand Strava Best Estimated Efforts? Mine are all massively out of kilter with the times I do on a regular basis. For instance my Best Estimated Effort for a half marathon is roughly 10 minutes longer than I would normally run it on a fairly easy day, and I'll do that at least four times a month. Just doesn't make much sense.
Yes, I'm not sure I understand them at all. For me they're coming up as the actual times that I've run, with no estimation at all (e.g. for gradient, stopping etc). For example, today I recorded my "best estimated 1/2 mile effort" during some 1k intervals. The Strava support page says that even if you stop just before the increment, it'll estimate your time, but that's not true for me, because I ran my fastest 10k in a race that was 9.95km long, but Strava has my estimated best effort as a lot slower than that (nearly 2 minutes!), during my first ever 10k months beforehand. The only way to acknowledge that fast 10k was to enter it manually with a link to the official timing page.
It's normally quite spot on i find...within a few seconds. Your best estimated 1/2 mile could easy have been correct as you would have been running past 800m for your 1km reps and i would guess that would have been at a faster pace than when you did it in a 10k race...or else you aren't doing your 1k reps right wink Your 9.95km wouldn't have been picked up by Strava as you need to pass the 10km mark.

I did a 5km effort the other day pacing for 17mins and got the 2nd best estimated effort 16.55 which would have been right enough!

Don't understand the half marathon though Ajap...as it would for sure pick up if you ran 21.1km unless your stopping your watch for whatever reason as it then adds that time your stopped for!
Hmm. now I'm confused. My best half mile today was indeed the time taken for me to cover half a mile today during my 1000m intervals, but what's estimated about that? Seeing as I ran over the required 805m distance, it's not an estimate, surely, it's just a standard PR?


lufbramatt

5,318 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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I think by estimated it means according to gps accuracy rather than over a measured course.

ajap1979

7,900 posts

186 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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RobM77 said:
thebraketester said:
Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.
I'd be interested how you get on. In March I ordered a pair direct from Brooks so I could compare with the Glycerin. The Brooks were faster than the Glycerin, and less floaty, but gave me really bad plantar fasciitis. I went back and forth to confirm it was them, and yep, it was, so they got sent back in the end and I'm now on my second pair of Glycerins.
I was under the impression the Ghost 12 was a neutral running shoe, so the only thing curing that shin pain is the cushioning and a hefty 12mm drop.

ajap1979

7,900 posts

186 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Candellara said:
ASICS NOVABLAST!! - FIRST RUN

A gentle (4.42 pace) run of 12km

First impressions. Soft, very soft. Softer than Nike ZF3's but not as snappy so not bad for an everyday training shoe on slower runs.

The upper feels really good quality and very breathable. You certainly feel the airflow around the toe box.

If you've wide feet - there's a ton of room around the toes - probably too much for me (although i've fairly wide feet). ZF3's feel much more snug and tighter fitting. You really need to lock the Novablasts down really tight to stop your foot moving around in the shoe although as your distance goes up and your feet swell - they become more snug.

They are going to feel quite unstable for some as the stack height is quite high and the foam very soft and you do really notice this on uneven pavements.

Overall, they're ok. I won't rave about them as some reviews because i think the ZF3 is a better shoe for me personally but i need to get some different shoes into a rotation. I'm eagerly awaiting my new Pegasus 37's due mid July

Are they worth £120? They're well made, perfect if you've wide feet and want a really cushioned landing through the mid and forefoot. For me, the price point is too close to the ZF3's and i'd rather be wearing those at just £20 a pair more (if you can get the damned things as Nike never seem to have any stock these days!!!
Any further thoughts on the Novablasts?

smn159

12,448 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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ajap1979 said:
RobM77 said:
thebraketester said:
Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.
I'd be interested how you get on. In March I ordered a pair direct from Brooks so I could compare with the Glycerin. The Brooks were faster than the Glycerin, and less floaty, but gave me really bad plantar fasciitis. I went back and forth to confirm it was them, and yep, it was, so they got sent back in the end and I'm now on my second pair of Glycerins.
I was under the impression the Ghost 12 was a neutral running shoe, so the only thing curing that shin pain is the cushioning and a hefty 12mm drop.
I'm always surprised that heel-toe drop is not more prominent in the info about running shoes. I reckon that changing suddenly from a high to a low drop shoe and vice versa is a significant injury risk, but you need to search to find the figures for most shoes

thebraketester

14,192 posts

137 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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RobM77 said:
thebraketester said:
Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.
I'd be interested how you get on. In March I ordered a pair direct from Brooks so I could compare with the Glycerin. The Brooks were faster than the Glycerin, and less floaty, but gave me really bad plantar fasciitis. I went back and forth to confirm it was them, and yep, it was, so they got sent back in the end and I'm now on my second pair of Glycerins.
Will let you know... hopefully that doesnt happen.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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smn159 said:
ajap1979 said:
RobM77 said:
thebraketester said:
Got fitted for some trainers today. Brooks Ghost 12.

First impressions are good. No more shin/side calf pain, just need to get the lace tension correct as I think I am wearing them a bit tight.
I'd be interested how you get on. In March I ordered a pair direct from Brooks so I could compare with the Glycerin. The Brooks were faster than the Glycerin, and less floaty, but gave me really bad plantar fasciitis. I went back and forth to confirm it was them, and yep, it was, so they got sent back in the end and I'm now on my second pair of Glycerins.
I was under the impression the Ghost 12 was a neutral running shoe, so the only thing curing that shin pain is the cushioning and a hefty 12mm drop.
I'm always surprised that heel-toe drop is not more prominent in the info about running shoes. I reckon that changing suddenly from a high to a low drop shoe and vice versa is a significant injury risk, but you need to search to find the figures for most shoes
I normally run in 10mm drop shoes and am a mid/forefoot striker, but yes, I did wonder if 12mm was just too much drop for me. I was doing easy runs in them, so there's a chance I was furtehr back on my feet when striking the ground, so experiencing the drop more prominently.

Smitters

3,995 posts

156 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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RobM77 said:
I normally run in 10mm drop shoes and am a mid/forefoot striker, but yes, I did wonder if 12mm was just too much drop for me. I was doing easy runs in them, so there's a chance I was furtehr back on my feet when striking the ground, so experiencing the drop more prominently.
I'd say if you were doing 10m/miles or got very fatigued on a long run and ended up drifting toward a heel strike, you might end up noticing, but at your general paces you'll have a pretty high footlift, so the only feeling may be one of tipping forward a bit more as the heel taps the ground slightly earlier.

2mm either way is OK for drop I think. 4mm and you should notice, 6mm+ and doing significant mileage and your calves would notice sharpish.

For what it's worth, I now run in a reasonable drop shoe, but I wear zero drop shoes day to day - Vivobarefoot shoes to work and Merrells for pottering about. The theory is this subtly stretches out my calves instead of living permanently on a slight heel like more work shoes. Not sure it's working to be honest, but I do love the feeling of barefoot shoes for mooching around.

Braveheart300

578 posts

188 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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lufbramatt said:
I think by estimated it means according to gps accuracy rather than over a measured course.
Yup...correct!!

ajap1979

7,900 posts

186 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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How many miles are people getting out of Zoom Flys? I’ve now put 300 on my ZF FlyKnits, but starting to feel like they’ve lost a bit of performance recently.

Candellara

1,876 posts

181 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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ajap1979 said:
Any further thoughts on the Novablasts?
Can't get on with them at all. Very wide and can't manage to get my feet locked down into them. Don't like them

Candellara

1,876 posts

181 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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ajap1979 said:
How many miles are people getting out of Zoom Flys? I’ve now put 300 on my ZF FlyKnits, but starting to feel like they’ve lost a bit of performance recently.
400 miles and they totally go off. I start getting pins and needles in my toes when they reach about 600km so know when it's time to order a new pair :-)

ajap1979

7,900 posts

186 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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Candellara said:
ajap1979 said:
Any further thoughts on the Novablasts?
Can't get on with them at all. Very wide and can't manage to get my feet locked down into them. Don't like them
Hmm, bad news. After much deliberation I ended up ordering a pair of New Balance Beacon v3s. I was hugely impressed with the v1s and covered 600 miles in them. They're a fairly uncomplicated shoe, which means it's hard to get particularly excited about them, but they really are fantastically versatile. They're happy soaking up the miles, but will respond when you turn up the pace.

I was very close to buying the Saucony Endorphin Shifts, but the weight put me off, plus it's the Pros that I'm really interested in laugh

Anyone know when Nike are looking to launch the Tempos?

lufbramatt

5,318 posts

133 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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MattS5 said:
lufbramatt said:
Strava has just told me I have done 400 miles on my Asics GT2000s so am thinking about replacing them. I've worn Asics shoes for years as they seem to fit me well. but I fancy trying something different as the Asics seem quite firm and often I feel like my feet and ankles have taken a battering the day after a longer run.

Just need a general purpose running shoe, to suit runs up to half marathon distance, for road and mild trail use (think gravel paths rather than muddy off road stuff), similar fit to Asics. I mildly over pronate so some stability features would be good. Any suggestions? The current GT2000-8 gets good reviews but it seems the tech has moved on somewhat in other brands.
I used to be a GT1000 man, but moved up to the Kayanos (21, 22, 23, 24, and now 25 or 26 version) and find them a great all rounder, especailly soaking my longer weekend runs, which are generally anything between 13 and 18 miles.
I also over pronate.
Thanks, I had a look at the Kayanos but didn't really want to spend over £100. Ended up ordering a pair of GT2000-8s on the spur of the moment as I needed to spend over 100 euros on a website to get free delivery on some bike parts and the shop had them at a decent price. Looking forward to trying them out.

Had a bit of a breakthrough run on Tuesday. I started running again on March 23rd this year (lockdown day!) after a 7 month break due to a hamstring injury, so was avoiding running to concentrate on cycling events. When they all got cancelled I figured I had nothing to lose by trying to run again and have been alternating running and cycling days, roughly 15 miles running a week. Aim for the end of the year was a sub 40 min 10k. Managed a 38:35! super happy considering last September I had pretty much given up on running after a few false starts and recurring injuries. Shame there's no races on!