The Running Thread Vol 2

The Running Thread Vol 2

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DKL

4,489 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th October 2020
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I bet Mo F is really pleased with his choice to do the 10k in Tokyo next year! I think he might have a better chance in the marathon.
I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?

hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Wednesday 7th October 2020
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Depends on what new PEDs are out biggrin

ajap1979

8,014 posts

187 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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Paul_M3 said:
ajap1979 said:
It’s crazy. However, Kipchoge’s WR marathon pace was just 5 seconds a mile slower. Over 26.2 miles. That’s really crazy.
Isn’t it over 20 seconds a mile difference?

10k in 26:11 is roughly 4:13min/mile.
A 2 hour dead marathon is 4:35min/mile.
My bad, should have used a pace calculator rather than doing that in my head after a bottle of wine laugh

4.13/mi vs 4.39/mi. I’m still more in awe of the latter.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,068 posts

212 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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ajap1979 said:
Paul_M3 said:
ajap1979 said:
It’s crazy. However, Kipchoge’s WR marathon pace was just 5 seconds a mile slower. Over 26.2 miles. That’s really crazy.
Isn’t it over 20 seconds a mile difference?

10k in 26:11 is roughly 4:13min/mile.
A 2 hour dead marathon is 4:35min/mile.
My bad, should have used a pace calculator rather than doing that in my head after a bottle of wine laugh

4.13/mi vs 4.39/mi. I’m still more in awe of the latter.
I don't think one is more impressive than the other to be honest. One could argue the 10k is more impressive in the sense that no one has got within 1sec/mile of it (or just about, with Bekele) and yet someone got within 2secs of the overall marathon record (again, Bekele).

Any world record is a world record because it's incredible!

I wonder how long it will be before Hicham El Guerrouj's WR in the 1500m and mile will be broken. Longest standing track distance that's commonly run I believe (Komen in 3k is a little older but not as commonly run).

The jiffle king

6,913 posts

258 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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Both records set last night are just incredible
14:06 is an incredible 5k run and I doubt there are more than a handful of parkruns faster than that. It puts things into context when my clubs Mens 5k record is 15:30 and the womens 17:45
26:11 for 10k is just out of this world. Growing up the 5k world record was 13:00 so for someone to run double the distance at a very similar pace is fantastic. Don't forget it was only in 1993 when the world record beat 27 minutes

I'm not sure how much the shoes make the difference but training techniques, track, shoes diet and kit must all help but those performances are different class

Braveheart300

578 posts

189 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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DKL said:
I bet Mo F is really pleased with his choice to do the 10k in Tokyo next year! I think he might have a better chance in the marathon.
I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?
That was my thought too....little Mo must be bricking it and wishing he maybe stuck with the Marathon""

Cheptegei has only ran 3 races this year and has got 3 WR!!

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,068 posts

212 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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Braveheart300 said:
DKL said:
I bet Mo F is really pleased with his choice to do the 10k in Tokyo next year! I think he might have a better chance in the marathon.
I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?
That was my thought too....little Mo must be bricking it and wishing he maybe stuck with the Marathon""

Cheptegei has only ran 3 races this year and has got 3 WR!!
Mo is very good at slow races with fast finishes, which is how many championship races are won. If Cheptegei goes out hard and forces the pace throughout I think Mo won't have a hope. If Cheptegei doesn't push the pace and the race finishes with a real kick then he (Cheptegei) won't be as likely to win. Irrespective, I don't think Mo will win.

RizzoTheRat

25,156 posts

192 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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I know GPS accuracy crops up on here occasionally, but this morning is the first I'm I've run with both my watch and phone GPS running. It was the virtual Rotterdam quarter Marathon, and I had to 11.43km on my watch to hit 10.55km on the phone app. I expected there to be a difference but not over 8%!

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,068 posts

212 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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RizzoTheRat said:
I know GPS accuracy crops up on here occasionally, but this morning is the first I'm I've run with both my watch and phone GPS running. It was the virtual Rotterdam quarter Marathon, and I had to 11.43km on my watch to hit 10.55km on the phone app. I expected there to be a difference but not over 8%!
I would expect the watch to be more accurate, the phone is meant for driving GPS or walking, where it's just navigation so accuracy isn't as important. If you have the option to switch to GPS + Galileo on your watch. How was the phone recording the data? Arm band? If so....the GPS receiver facing outwards rather than upwards to the sky can also impact its reading.

RizzoTheRat

25,156 posts

192 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Yeah I'm assuming the watch is more accurate, it usually measures a bit long on known courses but probably only by a couple of percent, and that will include it cutting corners due to sampling times. Phone was in a bum bag with the screen facing inwards so presumably the antenna pointing out.
It just surprised me how big a difference there was, and I know a lot of people who use Strava or Runkeeper on their phone as their main method of logging routes, it appears they're running faster and further than me biggrin

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Measure the route on some mapping apps and check it out?

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Interesting. I always assumed it would be the same COTS GPS chip in both, so I’m guessing the differences are down to satellites used, software processing (eg interpolation), and maybe wearing location?

Edited by RobM77 on Monday 12th October 13:16

webstercivet

457 posts

74 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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I'd imagine phone firmware prioritises battery life over frequency and accuracy of fixes.

RizzoTheRat

25,156 posts

192 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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The phone app said to turn off battery optimisation to ensure the app didn't close when minimised, not sure if that would have an impact on the GPS though.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,068 posts

212 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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RizzoTheRat said:
The phone app said to turn off battery optimisation to ensure the app didn't close when minimised, not sure if that would have an impact on the GPS though.
It's also worth noting that the phone may not be recording every 1 second (and neither may your watch if you've not checked this option).

I suspect it's the phone not being positioned optimally to pick up satellites. The watch will most likely be more accurate..... But to get the best out of it ensure 1 second recording interval and GPS + Galileo.

S1KRR

12,548 posts

212 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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RizzoTheRat said:
Yeah I'm assuming the watch is more accurate, it usually measures a bit long on known courses but probably only by a couple of percent, and that will include it cutting corners due to sampling times. Phone was in a bum bag with the screen facing inwards so presumably the antenna pointing out.
It just surprised me how big a difference there was, and I know a lot of people who use Strava or Runkeeper on their phone as their main method of logging routes, it appears they're running faster and further than me biggrin
This! laugh

A friend of mine took up running 5ks a few months bacl and was posting them to Strava. He's a fit guy, but nothing amazing.

Multiple 20min and change, 5Ks on a route that crosses a busy road at least twice. (and he never appears to pause for)

When I found out he was recording them on his iPhone it all made sense D:

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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Garmin watches on sale today, Amazon
Prices look pretty good.
I’ve resisted so far..

FunkyNige

8,882 posts

275 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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Jimboka said:
Garmin watches on sale today, Amazon
Prices look pretty good.
I’ve resisted so far..
I know this is the wrong thread but I never knew the "Garmin Swim™ 2" existed until I checked out those deals, I'm currently using my running watch (Vivoactive 3) for swimming and if I'm honest it's fine, but underwater HR and not having to use touchscreen on a wet screen with wet fingers? For a mere £160 (more than the Vivoactive...!)? Let's hope I can resist all day!

pubrunner

432 posts

83 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Hi All,

I've been running for 35 years, though my training has lapsed over the last 18 months or more.

In a fit of enthusiasm, I've entered the 2021 event "The Wall - Rat Run", which is almost 70 miles from Carlisle to Newcastle.

In the past, I've done at least 12 marathons and dozens of half marathons, plus a handful of off-road events of about 35 miles - the distance holds no fears for me, as I know how to pace myself over long runs.

Apparently, the amount of off-road running during 'The Wall' is minimal and almost all entrants wear 'road' shoes (rather than multi-terrain shoes). Shoe technology has moved on considerably over the last 18 months/two years and I'd like to know what shoes would be best for the event. I currently have two pairs of (old) Hokas; they have a substantial level of cushioning, but are well-past their best.

I've been on a number of running forums looking at shoes for long distance events, but the recommendations are always for multi-terrain events and I'm looking for road shoes.

Should I be looking to take advantage of the new technology - perhaps something with carbon soles ? For a distance like this, the priority will be comfort, rather than speed; that said, I like a shoes that 'makes' me want to run.

I'm wondering what the best shoes might be for a long-distance road event ? - recommendations please !

Thank you !

joshcowin

6,801 posts

176 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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pubrunner said:
Hi All,

I've been running for 35 years, though my training has lapsed over the last 18 months or more.

In a fit of enthusiasm, I've entered the 2021 event "The Wall - Rat Run", which is almost 70 miles from Carlisle to Newcastle.

In the past, I've done at least 12 marathons and dozens of half marathons, plus a handful of off-road events of about 35 miles - the distance holds no fears for me, as I know how to pace myself over long runs.

Apparently, the amount of off-road running during 'The Wall' is minimal and almost all entrants wear 'road' shoes (rather than multi-terrain shoes). Shoe technology has moved on considerably over the last 18 months/two years and I'd like to know what shoes would be best for the event. I currently have two pairs of (old) Hokas; they have a substantial level of cushioning, but are well-past their best.

I've been on a number of running forums looking at shoes for long distance events, but the recommendations are always for multi-terrain events and I'm looking for road shoes.

Should I be looking to take advantage of the new technology - perhaps something with carbon soles ? For a distance like this, the priority will be comfort, rather than speed; that said, I like a shoes that 'makes' me want to run.

I'm wondering what the best shoes might be for a long-distance road event ? - recommendations please !

Thank you !
Sounds like a great challenge!

The new balance 1080 v 10 get good reviews and would suit the longer distance! -

https://www.sportsshoes.com/product/new693159/new-...

I have a pair of Brooks adrenaline gts 20, they are great, nicely cushioned, very easy to get a good fit, pretty breathable and pretty light (on feet feel) for what they offer. They also offer some minimal support for when your form breaks down over the longer distance.

https://www.startfitness.co.uk/brooks-adrenaline-g...