The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
Paul_M3 said:
ajap1979 said:
It’s crazy. However, Kipchoge’s WR marathon pace was just 5 seconds a mile slower. Over 26.2 miles. That’s really crazy.
Isn’t it over 20 seconds a mile difference?10k in 26:11 is roughly 4:13min/mile.
A 2 hour dead marathon is 4:35min/mile.
4.13/mi vs 4.39/mi. I’m still more in awe of the latter.
ajap1979 said:
Paul_M3 said:
ajap1979 said:
It’s crazy. However, Kipchoge’s WR marathon pace was just 5 seconds a mile slower. Over 26.2 miles. That’s really crazy.
Isn’t it over 20 seconds a mile difference?10k in 26:11 is roughly 4:13min/mile.
A 2 hour dead marathon is 4:35min/mile.
4.13/mi vs 4.39/mi. I’m still more in awe of the latter.
Any world record is a world record because it's incredible!
I wonder how long it will be before Hicham El Guerrouj's WR in the 1500m and mile will be broken. Longest standing track distance that's commonly run I believe (Komen in 3k is a little older but not as commonly run).
Both records set last night are just incredible
14:06 is an incredible 5k run and I doubt there are more than a handful of parkruns faster than that. It puts things into context when my clubs Mens 5k record is 15:30 and the womens 17:45
26:11 for 10k is just out of this world. Growing up the 5k world record was 13:00 so for someone to run double the distance at a very similar pace is fantastic. Don't forget it was only in 1993 when the world record beat 27 minutes
I'm not sure how much the shoes make the difference but training techniques, track, shoes diet and kit must all help but those performances are different class
14:06 is an incredible 5k run and I doubt there are more than a handful of parkruns faster than that. It puts things into context when my clubs Mens 5k record is 15:30 and the womens 17:45
26:11 for 10k is just out of this world. Growing up the 5k world record was 13:00 so for someone to run double the distance at a very similar pace is fantastic. Don't forget it was only in 1993 when the world record beat 27 minutes
I'm not sure how much the shoes make the difference but training techniques, track, shoes diet and kit must all help but those performances are different class
DKL said:
I bet Mo F is really pleased with his choice to do the 10k in Tokyo next year! I think he might have a better chance in the marathon.
I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?
That was my thought too....little Mo must be bricking it and wishing he maybe stuck with the Marathon""I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?
Cheptegei has only ran 3 races this year and has got 3 WR!!
Braveheart300 said:
DKL said:
I bet Mo F is really pleased with his choice to do the 10k in Tokyo next year! I think he might have a better chance in the marathon.
I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?
That was my thought too....little Mo must be bricking it and wishing he maybe stuck with the Marathon""I'd love to see him (Mo) win but I'm wondering if it might be just a tad too little too late?
Cheptegei has only ran 3 races this year and has got 3 WR!!
I know GPS accuracy crops up on here occasionally, but this morning is the first I'm I've run with both my watch and phone GPS running. It was the virtual Rotterdam quarter Marathon, and I had to 11.43km on my watch to hit 10.55km on the phone app. I expected there to be a difference but not over 8%!
RizzoTheRat said:
I know GPS accuracy crops up on here occasionally, but this morning is the first I'm I've run with both my watch and phone GPS running. It was the virtual Rotterdam quarter Marathon, and I had to 11.43km on my watch to hit 10.55km on the phone app. I expected there to be a difference but not over 8%!
I would expect the watch to be more accurate, the phone is meant for driving GPS or walking, where it's just navigation so accuracy isn't as important. If you have the option to switch to GPS + Galileo on your watch. How was the phone recording the data? Arm band? If so....the GPS receiver facing outwards rather than upwards to the sky can also impact its reading.Yeah I'm assuming the watch is more accurate, it usually measures a bit long on known courses but probably only by a couple of percent, and that will include it cutting corners due to sampling times. Phone was in a bum bag with the screen facing inwards so presumably the antenna pointing out.
It just surprised me how big a difference there was, and I know a lot of people who use Strava or Runkeeper on their phone as their main method of logging routes, it appears they're running faster and further than me
It just surprised me how big a difference there was, and I know a lot of people who use Strava or Runkeeper on their phone as their main method of logging routes, it appears they're running faster and further than me
RizzoTheRat said:
The phone app said to turn off battery optimisation to ensure the app didn't close when minimised, not sure if that would have an impact on the GPS though.
It's also worth noting that the phone may not be recording every 1 second (and neither may your watch if you've not checked this option).I suspect it's the phone not being positioned optimally to pick up satellites. The watch will most likely be more accurate..... But to get the best out of it ensure 1 second recording interval and GPS + Galileo.
RizzoTheRat said:
Yeah I'm assuming the watch is more accurate, it usually measures a bit long on known courses but probably only by a couple of percent, and that will include it cutting corners due to sampling times. Phone was in a bum bag with the screen facing inwards so presumably the antenna pointing out.
It just surprised me how big a difference there was, and I know a lot of people who use Strava or Runkeeper on their phone as their main method of logging routes, it appears they're running faster and further than me
This! It just surprised me how big a difference there was, and I know a lot of people who use Strava or Runkeeper on their phone as their main method of logging routes, it appears they're running faster and further than me
A friend of mine took up running 5ks a few months bacl and was posting them to Strava. He's a fit guy, but nothing amazing.
Multiple 20min and change, 5Ks on a route that crosses a busy road at least twice. (and he never appears to pause for)
When I found out he was recording them on his iPhone it all made sense D:
Jimboka said:
Garmin watches on sale today, Amazon
Prices look pretty good.
I’ve resisted so far..
I know this is the wrong thread but I never knew the "Garmin Swim™ 2" existed until I checked out those deals, I'm currently using my running watch (Vivoactive 3) for swimming and if I'm honest it's fine, but underwater HR and not having to use touchscreen on a wet screen with wet fingers? For a mere £160 (more than the Vivoactive...!)? Let's hope I can resist all day!Prices look pretty good.
I’ve resisted so far..
Hi All,
I've been running for 35 years, though my training has lapsed over the last 18 months or more.
In a fit of enthusiasm, I've entered the 2021 event "The Wall - Rat Run", which is almost 70 miles from Carlisle to Newcastle.
In the past, I've done at least 12 marathons and dozens of half marathons, plus a handful of off-road events of about 35 miles - the distance holds no fears for me, as I know how to pace myself over long runs.
Apparently, the amount of off-road running during 'The Wall' is minimal and almost all entrants wear 'road' shoes (rather than multi-terrain shoes). Shoe technology has moved on considerably over the last 18 months/two years and I'd like to know what shoes would be best for the event. I currently have two pairs of (old) Hokas; they have a substantial level of cushioning, but are well-past their best.
I've been on a number of running forums looking at shoes for long distance events, but the recommendations are always for multi-terrain events and I'm looking for road shoes.
Should I be looking to take advantage of the new technology - perhaps something with carbon soles ? For a distance like this, the priority will be comfort, rather than speed; that said, I like a shoes that 'makes' me want to run.
I'm wondering what the best shoes might be for a long-distance road event ? - recommendations please !
Thank you !
I've been running for 35 years, though my training has lapsed over the last 18 months or more.
In a fit of enthusiasm, I've entered the 2021 event "The Wall - Rat Run", which is almost 70 miles from Carlisle to Newcastle.
In the past, I've done at least 12 marathons and dozens of half marathons, plus a handful of off-road events of about 35 miles - the distance holds no fears for me, as I know how to pace myself over long runs.
Apparently, the amount of off-road running during 'The Wall' is minimal and almost all entrants wear 'road' shoes (rather than multi-terrain shoes). Shoe technology has moved on considerably over the last 18 months/two years and I'd like to know what shoes would be best for the event. I currently have two pairs of (old) Hokas; they have a substantial level of cushioning, but are well-past their best.
I've been on a number of running forums looking at shoes for long distance events, but the recommendations are always for multi-terrain events and I'm looking for road shoes.
Should I be looking to take advantage of the new technology - perhaps something with carbon soles ? For a distance like this, the priority will be comfort, rather than speed; that said, I like a shoes that 'makes' me want to run.
I'm wondering what the best shoes might be for a long-distance road event ? - recommendations please !
Thank you !
pubrunner said:
Hi All,
I've been running for 35 years, though my training has lapsed over the last 18 months or more.
In a fit of enthusiasm, I've entered the 2021 event "The Wall - Rat Run", which is almost 70 miles from Carlisle to Newcastle.
In the past, I've done at least 12 marathons and dozens of half marathons, plus a handful of off-road events of about 35 miles - the distance holds no fears for me, as I know how to pace myself over long runs.
Apparently, the amount of off-road running during 'The Wall' is minimal and almost all entrants wear 'road' shoes (rather than multi-terrain shoes). Shoe technology has moved on considerably over the last 18 months/two years and I'd like to know what shoes would be best for the event. I currently have two pairs of (old) Hokas; they have a substantial level of cushioning, but are well-past their best.
I've been on a number of running forums looking at shoes for long distance events, but the recommendations are always for multi-terrain events and I'm looking for road shoes.
Should I be looking to take advantage of the new technology - perhaps something with carbon soles ? For a distance like this, the priority will be comfort, rather than speed; that said, I like a shoes that 'makes' me want to run.
I'm wondering what the best shoes might be for a long-distance road event ? - recommendations please !
Thank you !
Sounds like a great challenge!I've been running for 35 years, though my training has lapsed over the last 18 months or more.
In a fit of enthusiasm, I've entered the 2021 event "The Wall - Rat Run", which is almost 70 miles from Carlisle to Newcastle.
In the past, I've done at least 12 marathons and dozens of half marathons, plus a handful of off-road events of about 35 miles - the distance holds no fears for me, as I know how to pace myself over long runs.
Apparently, the amount of off-road running during 'The Wall' is minimal and almost all entrants wear 'road' shoes (rather than multi-terrain shoes). Shoe technology has moved on considerably over the last 18 months/two years and I'd like to know what shoes would be best for the event. I currently have two pairs of (old) Hokas; they have a substantial level of cushioning, but are well-past their best.
I've been on a number of running forums looking at shoes for long distance events, but the recommendations are always for multi-terrain events and I'm looking for road shoes.
Should I be looking to take advantage of the new technology - perhaps something with carbon soles ? For a distance like this, the priority will be comfort, rather than speed; that said, I like a shoes that 'makes' me want to run.
I'm wondering what the best shoes might be for a long-distance road event ? - recommendations please !
Thank you !
The new balance 1080 v 10 get good reviews and would suit the longer distance! -
https://www.sportsshoes.com/product/new693159/new-...
I have a pair of Brooks adrenaline gts 20, they are great, nicely cushioned, very easy to get a good fit, pretty breathable and pretty light (on feet feel) for what they offer. They also offer some minimal support for when your form breaks down over the longer distance.
https://www.startfitness.co.uk/brooks-adrenaline-g...
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