The Running Thread Vol 2

[VR99]

joshcowin said:

I have a pair of Brooks adrenaline gts 20, they are great, nicely cushioned, very easy to get a good fit, pretty breathable and pretty light (on feet feel) for what they offer. They also offer some minimal support for when your form breaks down over the longer distance.

https://www.startfitness.co.uk/brooks-adrenaline-g...

Sorry to hijack, I am generally regarded as a "neutral" runner and only run in trainers that are sold as neutral road running shoes..in my case Mizuno Wave Rider 21's. However they have a wave plate and to me that seems more of a "support" type of shoes than then Brooks Adrenaline which is sold as a support shoe. It's confusing...but conversely the structure and firm heel counter and midsole of the Waveriders seem to work well for me compared to flimsier less structured neutral running shoes. I only seem to pick up injuries with the more minimal trainers.
I guess am wondering is it worth trying lightly structured running shoes like the GTS and others?

[joshcowin]

VR99 said:

Sorry to hijack, I am generally regarded as a "neutral" runner and only run in trainers that are sold as neutral road running shoes..in my case Mizuno Wave Rider 21's. However they have a wave plate and to me that seems more of a "support" type of shoes than then Brooks Adrenaline which is sold as a support shoe. It's confusing...but conversely the structure and firm heel counter and midsole of the Waveriders seem to work well for me compared to flimsier less structured neutral running shoes. I only seem to pick up injuries with the more minimal trainers.
I guess am wondering is it worth trying lightly structured running shoes like the GTS and others?

So I run in Adidas boston 8's, nike peg turbo 2, adidas solar boost and the brooks GTS.

The brooks do not feel overly structured and I would say you wont perceive the added structure but it may help your injuries! They are a more cushioned feel than the adidas solar boost but no more supportive. If you like road feel they are not for you. The padding around the tongue and heel are decent without being too much!

I will say I have zero issues in the Bostons but with the peg turbo I start to ache in my right achilles on longer runs 9miles+ In the brooks I feel I could run 30 miles, my feet are never beaten up.

The solar boost are worth a shout at £60ish and good if you want an everyday trainer with road feel and cushioning. Oh and the grip is fantastic.
The brooks are available for around £100 cushioned ride but still light feels like a neutral runner to me.

[VR99]

joshcowin said:

VR99 said:

Sorry to hijack, I am generally regarded as a "neutral" runner and only run in trainers that are sold as neutral road running shoes..in my case Mizuno Wave Rider 21's. However they have a wave plate and to me that seems more of a "support" type of shoes than then Brooks Adrenaline which is sold as a support shoe. It's confusing...but conversely the structure and firm heel counter and midsole of the Waveriders seem to work well for me compared to flimsier less structured neutral running shoes. I only seem to pick up injuries with the more minimal trainers.
I guess am wondering is it worth trying lightly structured running shoes like the GTS and others?

So I run in Adidas boston 8's, nike peg turbo 2, adidas solar boost and the brooks GTS.

The brooks do not feel overly structured and I would say you wont perceive the added structure but it may help your injuries! They are a more cushioned feel than the adidas solar boost but no more supportive. If you like road feel they are not for you. The padding around the tongue and heel are decent without being too much!

I will say I have zero issues in the Bostons but with the peg turbo I start to ache in my right achilles on longer runs 9miles+ In the brooks I feel I could run 30 miles, my feet are never beaten up.

The solar boost are worth a shout at £60ish and good if you want an everyday trainer with road feel and cushioning. Oh and the grip is fantastic.
The brooks are available for around £100 cushioned ride but still light feels like a neutral runner to me.

Thanks useful to know! How do you find the sizing on the Brooks GTS, do they run larger than average? I have a wider than standard midfoot though not exactly Bigfoot but like a roomier toebox. I tend to go with either UK 8.5 or 9 in a 'D' though it depends on the brand. On a older version of the Ghost I had to go to a 8.5 as was swimming in the 9, it was huge.

[RobM77]

VR99 said:

joshcowin said:

VR99 said:

Sorry to hijack, I am generally regarded as a "neutral" runner and only run in trainers that are sold as neutral road running shoes..in my case Mizuno Wave Rider 21's. However they have a wave plate and to me that seems more of a "support" type of shoes than then Brooks Adrenaline which is sold as a support shoe. It's confusing...but conversely the structure and firm heel counter and midsole of the Waveriders seem to work well for me compared to flimsier less structured neutral running shoes. I only seem to pick up injuries with the more minimal trainers.
I guess am wondering is it worth trying lightly structured running shoes like the GTS and others?

So I run in Adidas boston 8's, nike peg turbo 2, adidas solar boost and the brooks GTS.

The brooks do not feel overly structured and I would say you wont perceive the added structure but it may help your injuries! They are a more cushioned feel than the adidas solar boost but no more supportive. If you like road feel they are not for you. The padding around the tongue and heel are decent without being too much!

I will say I have zero issues in the Bostons but with the peg turbo I start to ache in my right achilles on longer runs 9miles+ In the brooks I feel I could run 30 miles, my feet are never beaten up.

The solar boost are worth a shout at £60ish and good if you want an everyday trainer with road feel and cushioning. Oh and the grip is fantastic.
The brooks are available for around £100 cushioned ride but still light feels like a neutral runner to me.

Thanks useful to know! How do you find the sizing on the Brooks GTS, do they run larger than average? I have a wider than standard midfoot though not exactly Bigfoot but like a roomier toebox. I tend to go with either UK 8.5 or 9 in a 'D' though it depends on the brand. On a older version of the Ghost I had to go to a 8.5 as was swimming in the 9, it was huge.

Brooks returns are very efficient, so I'd recommend ordering a few sizes. They'll even let you run in a pair and return them if you have to.

In general I find Brooks shoes quite wide. I have very wide feet (8.5 4E) and after trying loads of sizes have settled on a size 9 2E for my easy run shoe (Brooks Glycerin) and a standard size 9 Brooks Launch for tempo and intervals, which is a bit narrow for me, but ok. For racing I use a New Balance 1400v6, which as far as I know is the only lightweight race shoe in a wide fitting.

[VR99]

RobM77 said:

Brooks returns are very efficient, so I'd recommend ordering a few sizes. They'll even let you run in a pair and return them if you have to.

In general I find Brooks shoes quite wide. I have very wide feet (8.5 4E) and after trying loads of sizes have settled on a size 9 2E for my easy run shoe (Brooks Glycerin) and a standard size 9 Brooks Launch for tempo and intervals, which is a bit narrow for me, but ok. For racing I use a New Balance 1400v6, which as far as I know is the only lightweight race shoe in a wide fitting.

Agree that Brooks generally are the most accomadating even in standard D fit for the wide footers amongst us. ASICS and Saucony still have wife fits available but based on my past experience with Brooks the fit and comfort was excellent.
You mentioned the Glycerin for easy runs, ever tried the Ghost for comparison? I assume the Glycerin is much more plusher.

[RobM77]

VR99 said:

RobM77 said:

Brooks returns are very efficient, so I'd recommend ordering a few sizes. They'll even let you run in a pair and return them if you have to.

In general I find Brooks shoes quite wide. I have very wide feet (8.5 4E) and after trying loads of sizes have settled on a size 9 2E for my easy run shoe (Brooks Glycerin) and a standard size 9 Brooks Launch for tempo and intervals, which is a bit narrow for me, but ok. For racing I use a New Balance 1400v6, which as far as I know is the only lightweight race shoe in a wide fitting.

Agree that Brooks generally are the most accomadating even in standard D fit for the wide footers amongst us. ASICS and Saucony still have wife fits available but based on my past experience with Brooks the fit and comfort was excellent.
You mentioned the Glycerin for easy runs, ever tried the Ghost for comparison? I assume the Glycerin is much more plusher.

Funnily enough, yes, back in March I did a month's comparison of the Ghost and Glycerin, using Brooks' aforementioned "True Blue Guarantee", where you can road test shoes for 90 days. Both shoes were available in the size 9 2E width that I had previously ascertained fitted me best by mail ordering about 8 pairs in various size combos!

The Glycerin is indeed much plusher and has more cushioning than the Ghost. At the time though, I was interested by studies that appeared to show cushioned shoes putting more impact into your joints (the mechanism proposed is that we automatically adjust our gait for soft ground or shoes), so that wasn't a big concern, and I was going to a more cushioned shoe half expecting joint issues anyway! Or I may have found what most elites say, which is that cushioned shoes are good for easy runs and recovery. Only one way to find out....

The Ghost was noticeably and consistently faster by a few seconds per km - which I put down to both the lighter weight and the stiffer nature of the shoe giving more energy return. After a few weeks though it gradually transpired that the Ghost was giving me bad pain in the arches of my feet (planar fasciitis). I sent back the Ghost and the plantar faded away, although I do occasionally get it in any of my three shoes. I'm not sure what was causing the PF, but I've never run in a 12mm drop shoe before, which the Ghost is, so it may have been that? I'm now on my fourth pair of Glycerins. I've not tried the latest Glycerin 18 yet, as I always buy the previous generation shoe much cheaper.

Edited to add: the Ghost is better at faster paces. You can push the Glycerin to race pace, but it feels like a large Lexus on a track day.

Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 18th October 14:47

[anonymous-user]

Had a race today
Well a club race, 10 miles . Staggered start. Covid safe etc. 50 people in it.
First blast since March!
Went better than I thought. 72.30 approx
HR average 168, aged 59..
Surprising how much quicker you go when there are people around you!

[keo]

Congrats jimboka! I would be over the moon with your time and I’m 32! I ran a steady 10 miles this morning first real distance for a while I have just been running 3/4 miles lately. Quite enjoyed it and hopefully il get back to doing 100 mile+ months again soon.

Suppose I better get some winter running kit!

[anonymous-user]

Thankyou! I aimed for 75 mins so went better than expected. Went through 5 in 36 mins, was expecting the wheels to come off! but felt strong at the end really.

[keo]

7 minutes ish miles then! Amazing well done.

[lufbramatt]

Paul_M3 said:

lufbramatt said:

well, the budget is flexible tbh. That looks like a great bit of kit. What sort of battery life do you get out of it?

I can only go by what the instruction manual says at the moment, so:

Manual mode - Low = 100 hours, Med = 5 hours, High = 2 hours
Reactive mode - Low = 10 - 50 hours, Med = 5 - 40 hours, High = 2 - 30 hours.

First run in the dark this morning with my shiny new Petzl swift rl- really impressive little bit of kit. 10k around some local off road trails and unlit playing fields, great to have the place to myself with no dog walkers at 5:45am! Different experience, sounds seem much louder and you hear every rustle in hedges. Great colour rendering from the leds in the head torch too. Thanks for the recommendation.

[TiminYorkshire]

Got the Hardmoors 55 this weekend coming, anyone else out there doing it?

[S1KRR]

Brighton Marathon April 2021 now postponed to September 2021

Understandable and a bit annoying, but at least I/we know before we start the 12-20 week build up.

[Candellara]

Birthday today. Wife got me a hand held massage gun.

Best runners gift i've ever received :-) Highly recommend one of these

[rastapasta]

did a morning run the other day up a mountain, 400 height metres and back down. first such run in 3 odd months and my legs are still sore. is there any way to alleviate this type pf pain, beyond hill running more often??

Also does anyone else at this time of year put the brakes on the speed progress and just run for the fun of it and without looking at the pace numbers on the watch??

[The jiffle king]

Candellara said:

Birthday today. Wife got me a hand held massage gun.

Best runners gift i've ever received :-) Highly recommend one of these

which one and for what injury/sore parts?
Do you use it regularly?

[smn159]

rastapasta said:

did a morning run the other day up a mountain, 400 height metres and back down. first such run in 3 odd months and my legs are still sore. is there any way to alleviate this type pf pain, beyond hill running more often??

Also does anyone else at this time of year put the brakes on the speed progress and just run for the fun of it and without looking at the pace numbers on the watch??

The only way in my experience is to build up slowly and then maintain consistency. Asking your body to do a particularly high impact run after three months is always going to hurt! You may be able to alleviate it slightly if you've been doing regular strength and conditioning workouts, but hill running is always going to use your tendons and muscles in slightly different ways and cause soreness if you're not used to it.

People will have their own views, but I try and keep the faster sessions going through the winter as I find that it alleviates the boredom of running at the same pace all of the time

[Candellara]

Candellara said:

Birthday today. Wife got me a hand held massage gun.

Best runners gift i've ever received :-) Highly recommend one of these

https://www.medcursor.com/product-category/massage-gun/

[rastapasta]

Sorry can anyone recommend a winter baselayer. I have a thick adidas Techfit climachill which is starting to show its age. it has thicker material than the Canturbury ones i usually wear and its very very good at keeping the cold out. what are the heads hear wear or can recommend?

[lufbramatt]

Have a look in Aldi, in their cycling “event” recently in he aisle of dreams they had some really good value merino base layers, the long sleeve was about £17 and it’s just as good as stuff I’ve paid double for. They might have some left.