Jiu Jitsu discussion / complete beginner!

Jiu Jitsu discussion / complete beginner!

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Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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Nice one buddy, keep grinding (on the mats, not the website!).

I've noticed it's the World Catch Wrestling Championships at Bolton next week with a match between the top man from the USA and Ian Jones from Yorkshire.

Pete102

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2,042 posts

185 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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4 days until I head out to Austria for 4 days of BJJ. Fully expecting to come back a broken man!

Had a good run of training lately, feeling confident and dare I say it....like a blue belt? A little gutted about missing Nottingham but it is what it is, I'll try and get some smaller comps in.

Hows everyone doing?

AJB88

12,263 posts

170 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Bruised, Achey etc.

Doing 6 days of gym (lifting weights) + 2 BJJ sessions a week is tiring!


Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Plugging away here both gi and no gi. Wanting to work on takedowns more than anything. Watching the low level tournaments and junior stuff, whoever get the takedown if they can lad in top position more often than not wins the fight. This is one area we haven't really worked on and one I want to explore and practise more.

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Tony Angelino said:
Plugging away here both gi and no gi. Wanting to work on takedowns more than anything. Watching the low level tournaments and junior stuff, whoever get the takedown if they can lad in top position more often than not wins the fight. This is one area we haven't really worked on and one I want to explore and practise more.
Why not do a bit of Judo or wrestling?

Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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MC Bodge said:
Why not do a bit of Judo or wrestling?
Time, or lack of it basically. I'm trying to get both gi and no gi training in for myself along with no gi for my little lad - split across 2 local clubs. I've also thrown in the odd MMA class and that involves a bit of wrestling but my main issue is finding classes at a time I can make it. All this at 40 years old with a chronic muscoskeletal arthritic condition and full time job plus coaching a rugby team puts a strain on my time and I get enough grief from the enemy without doing any more laugh

Given my time again, I would probably have started much earlier, probably with wrestling and bjj in the gi for the best all round game I reckon.

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Tony Angelino said:
Time, or lack of it basically. I'm trying to get both gi and no gi training in for myself along with no gi for my little lad - split across 2 local clubs. I've also thrown in the odd MMA class and that involves a bit of wrestling but my main issue is finding classes at a time I can make it. All this at 40 years old with a chronic muscoskeletal arthritic condition and full time job plus coaching a rugby team puts a strain on my time and I get enough grief from the enemy without doing any more laugh

Given my time again, I would probably have started much earlier, probably with wrestling and bjj in the gi for the best all round game I reckon.
Fair enough!

Pete102

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2,042 posts

185 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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If you can get good at a couple of take downs you'll generally be OK in most tournaments. I've done a 'little' bit of Judo previously, but mainly Judo for BJJ e.g. leg grabs, same side lapel holds etc.

I have a little Uchi mata - ankle pick - hip throw combination that I can catch most people with, failing that the old faithful tomoe nage or drop seoi nage covers 'most' bases. Unless I come up against a Judo BB...in which case I'm pulling guard.

It's definitely an area I'd like to improve on myself, as you've already said though its a matter of time...or rather lack of!

Pete102

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2,042 posts

185 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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Well then, back from Austria.

4 days, 20 hours of mat time (technique and rolling) and lots of aches and pains.

Would I go again? absolutely.

Had in-depth classes on Triangle set ups, 50/50 guard, pressure passing and old school submissions, lapel chokes and deep half guard.
Got in lots of rolls with other blue, couple of purples, brown and black belts. Felt I held my own pretty well against the blue and purples so time to enter a couple of comps.

It might sound daft but the stand out point for me was a littler detail I was taught regarding the double under stack pass - Something I employ quite often but I've always neglected to grab the back of the pants once I have the shoulder grip thus preventing movement/inversion and giving me full control i.e. crush them down or take side control.

A couple of days off is needed really to let my knees recover...but I'm supposed to be training tonight....

BRR

1,845 posts

171 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Good to see everyone still getting so much training in.

Pete > the Austria trip sounds good, that's a lot of mat time, sure you'll have picked up some great stuff. Not sure my attention span could handle that much BJJ, after an hour of class my brain is frazzled and I just want to roll

Pete102

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2,042 posts

185 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Hah, its certainly a case of coming back and decompressing everything. I've had to write a lot of it down so I don't forget!

I made a conscious effort to attend every session (including the 615am one!), being away from my family it didn't feel right skipping out. DIdn't make it to training Tuesday but I'll be back tomorrow night ready to go.

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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The Judo club I went to last week seems to do a fair bit of ground work. It was very interesting and suited my novice "style", which appeared to catch out some of the other lower belts in the starting from knees rolling wink

I may well try BJJ at some point, although I'm looking forward to doing the standing stuff at Judo.

Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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MC Bodge said:
The Judo club I went to last week seems to do a fair bit of ground work. It was very interesting and suited my novice "style", which appeared to catch out some of the other lower belts in the starting from knees rolling wink

I may well try BJJ at some point, although I'm looking forward to doing the standing stuff at Judo.
Don't know about other people on here but at my BJJ academy (at my level) we do almost no takedown work at all. They may well do some more in the advanced class but in the classes I attend its almost unheard of. I also train at a 'no gi grappling' class the first part of each session is always takedown/wrestling work but obviously no gi so not sure how transferable it is.


MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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Tony Angelino said:
MC Bodge said:
The Judo club I went to last week seems to do a fair bit of ground work. It was very interesting and suited my novice "style", which appeared to catch out some of the other lower belts in the starting from knees rolling wink

I may well try BJJ at some point, although I'm looking forward to doing the standing stuff at Judo.
Don't know about other people on here but at my BJJ academy (at my level) we do almost no takedown work at all. They may well do some more in the advanced class but in the classes I attend its almost unheard of. I also train at a 'no gi grappling' class the first part of each session is always takedown/wrestling work but obviously no gi so not sure how transferable it is.
Gi or no gi just means that the grip is different. The mechanics of the movement are virtually the same, surely?

Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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MC Bodge said:
Tony Angelino said:
MC Bodge said:
The Judo club I went to last week seems to do a fair bit of ground work. It was very interesting and suited my novice "style", which appeared to catch out some of the other lower belts in the starting from knees rolling wink

I may well try BJJ at some point, although I'm looking forward to doing the standing stuff at Judo.
Don't know about other people on here but at my BJJ academy (at my level) we do almost no takedown work at all. They may well do some more in the advanced class but in the classes I attend its almost unheard of. I also train at a 'no gi grappling' class the first part of each session is always takedown/wrestling work but obviously no gi so not sure how transferable it is.
Gi or no gi just means that the grip is different. The mechanics of the movement are virtually the same, surely?
it was more factoring in the other guy holding on to you in various ways I was thinking.

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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Tony Angelino said:
it was more factoring in the other guy holding on to you in various ways I was thinking.
Yes, grasping the gi in your hands is somewhat easier.

BRR

1,845 posts

171 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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Takedowns in the Gi and No-Gi are totally different, obviously some stuff crosses over but typically in the Gi it will be more Judo based and No-Gi more of it will be freestyle wrestling based, mainly due to the grips on offer. Our BJJ club does very little in the way of takedowns. I do some form of wrestling in pretty much every MMA class though, wrestling is the most important part of the game IMO

Pete102

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2,042 posts

185 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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I was pretty much going to post the same thing as BRR.

It's true that there are certain Judo throws that translate into a no-gi application, others not so much. Wrestling is king in no-gi for me.

When sparring whilst I was away I was caught with a sublime double leg.....on the flip side I caught him with a Tomoe Nage, was an interesting clash of styles.

I particularly like using the head in wrestling, if you've not done alot of wrestling its always a bit of a shock to be butted biggrin

AJB88

12,263 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2018
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Had to skip both sessions last week as was working night shifts, trained on Tuesday and had a good session even with some of the heavier lads.

One of the bigger lads attempted a take down which resulted in me getting a knee full force to the teeth, luckily my custom mouth guard was upto the job! And one of my stripes fell off my felt doh!

Couldn't attend tonight as working nights again so took the oppotunity to train Kick Boxing yesterday and today (along with leg day and shoulder day at gym), never done any kick boxing before so it was an eye opener, yesterdays was a lot of drilling combo jabs, today was a lot of sparring and combos with kicks, absolutely shattered now and forearms are still on fire.

Should be back for 2 BJJ sessions next week.

Pete102

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2,042 posts

185 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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A cautionary tale about tapping early coming up....

Free sparring two weeks ago, I end up partnered with a white belt, much lighter, woman. Obviously this is an opportunity to go super easy, put myself in difficult positions and work on technical escapes.

So I give my back up and she gets seatbelt control with the overhand holding my opposite lapel, going for the bow and arrow. At this point I'm not too worried, everything is fine, I'll start to strip the grips and turn in a moment

Then silence. Or I became aware of a static, white noise type sound.

Followed by the sound of gurgling. At the time I thought it was strange someone was making that noise...turns out it was me. She let go shortly after, and it took me a good 30 seconds to come back to reality and realise where I was and what I was doing.

I'd left it too late to initiate the escape or tap, resulting in going out for a couple of seconds. Oddly enough, quite a nice sensation and full marks to her for applying the submission perfectly. No ego from me, nice to explore the limits I guess!