2017 Lions Tour

[phil_cardiff]

C70R said:

Are we all talking about the same Webb who made most pundits' Team of the Tournament in the 6 Nations this year?

I'd much rather Murray started, but Webb is anything but a poor option...

Yes. The same Webb who has a poor kicking game and is prone to brain farts.

[C70R]

phil_cardiff said:

C70R said:

Are we all talking about the same Webb who made most pundits' Team of the Tournament in the 6 Nations this year?

I'd much rather Murray started, but Webb is anything but a poor option...

Yes. The same Webb who has a poor kicking game and is prone to brain farts.

Right you are. Just checking there.
I'm not blind to his faults, but when he's playing well he can absolutely terrorise defences.

[phil_cardiff]

C70R said:

phil_cardiff said:

C70R said:

Are we all talking about the same Webb who made most pundits' Team of the Tournament in the 6 Nations this year?

I'd much rather Murray started, but Webb is anything but a poor option...

Yes. The same Webb who has a poor kicking game and is prone to brain farts.

Right you are. Just checking there.
I'm not blind to his faults, but when he's playing well he can absolutely terrorise defences.

I agree. It's because he can play so well that he frustrates at times.

[irocfan]

phil_cardiff said:

C70R said:

phil_cardiff said:

C70R said:

Are we all talking about the same Webb who made most pundits' Team of the Tournament in the 6 Nations this year?

I'd much rather Murray started, but Webb is anything but a poor option...

Yes. The same Webb who has a poor kicking game and is prone to brain farts.

Right you are. Just checking there.
I'm not blind to his faults, but when he's playing well he can absolutely terrorise defences.

I agree. It's because he can play so well that he frustrates at times.

I can't stand him as a player - possibly because I do realise that he can be brilliant but him and Biggar constantly gobbing off and trying to con the ref.... please cut it out. You're not playing football

[C70R]

irocfan said:

phil_cardiff said:

C70R said:

phil_cardiff said:

C70R said:

Are we all talking about the same Webb who made most pundits' Team of the Tournament in the 6 Nations this year?

I'd much rather Murray started, but Webb is anything but a poor option...

Yes. The same Webb who has a poor kicking game and is prone to brain farts.

Right you are. Just checking there.
I'm not blind to his faults, but when he's playing well he can absolutely terrorise defences.

I agree. It's because he can play so well that he frustrates at times.

I can't stand him as a player - possibly because I do realise that he can be brilliant but him and Biggar constantly gobbing off and trying to con the ref.... please cut it out. You're not playing football

Have you watched Sexton and Murray much? Both are equally bad.
Lots is (rightly) said about the Welsh halfbacks, but we're ignoring a problem in the game of which they are a symptom not a cause.

[DocJock]

The problem (as with several in the game) is referees not enforcing laws which are already there. Only the captain is supposed to question the referee.

See also not-straight scrum put-ins, more than one movement of the ball once tackled, handling the ball in rucks, forward passes etc...

[London424]

DocJock said:

The problem (as with several in the game) is referees not enforcing laws which are already there. Only the captain is supposed to question the referee.

See also not-straight scrum put-ins, more than one movement of the ball once tackled, handling the ball in rucks, forward passes etc...

If the refs actually enforced the laws I don't think you'd see any play at all. There's literally something that could be pinged every passage of play.

[C70R]

DocJock said:

The problem (as with several in the game) is referees not enforcing laws which are already there. Only the captain is supposed to question the referee.

You're going to need to cite that Law to me, as I'm not sure I've ever seen it.

[anonymous-user]

Players approaching the ref is pretty unpleasant though. When I played, we never did that. We heard a whistle, saw which side had been awarded the penalty or scrum/line out etc and rapidly position ourselves accordingly. I was only bothered about not being back far enough or being ready for a quick penalty etc.

Now I start to see it happening at my kids school matches, unfortunately it comes from watching international players doing it. Every time it happens, the opposition should simply be moved forward a few more yards.

Encroachment and doping are the big issues for professional rugby and both aren't being taken seriously enough.

[phil_cardiff]

El stovey said:

Players approaching the ref is pretty unpleasant though. When I played, we never did that. We heard a whistle, saw which side had been awarded the penalty or scrum/line out etc and rapidly position ourselves accordingly. I was only bothered about not being back far enough or being ready for a quick penalty etc.

Now I start to see it happening at my kids school matches, unfortunately it comes from watching international players doing it. Every time it happens, the opposition should simply be moved forward a few more yards.

Encroachment and doping are the big issues for professional rugby and both aren't being taken seriously enough.

Agree about encroachment and doping but would add head injuries and referees only enforcing certain laws.

Take the above as a cumalative and it's no wonder rugby union remains a relatively small sport.

[anonymous-user]

phil_cardiff said:

El stovey said:

Players approaching the ref is pretty unpleasant though. When I played, we never did that. We heard a whistle, saw which side had been awarded the penalty or scrum/line out etc and rapidly position ourselves accordingly. I was only bothered about not being back far enough or being ready for a quick penalty etc.

Now I start to see it happening at my kids school matches, unfortunately it comes from watching international players doing it. Every time it happens, the opposition should simply be moved forward a few more yards.

Encroachment and doping are the big issues for professional rugby and both aren't being taken seriously enough.

Agree about encroachment and doping but would add head injuries and referees only enforcing certain laws.

Take the above as a cumalative and it's no wonder rugby union remains a relatively small sport.

Yes I was going to add head injuries, I'm even seeing schools start to only play touch rugby. I can still remember as a schoolboy having a flying wedge coming towards me in the good old days. I had a similar feeling recently when I was out running with my dog and a herd of cows seemed intent on trampling over us.

[DocJock]

C70R said:

DocJock said:

The problem (as with several in the game) is referees not enforcing laws which are already there. Only the captain is supposed to question the referee.

You're going to need to cite that Law to me, as I'm not sure I've ever seen it.

My post was poorly worded in that I was referring to a multitude of offences, but our chatty chappies infringe Law 10.4 (s)

OK, it forbids all players, but the interpretation given to refs (in Scotland at least) was to make exception for the captain to ask for clarifications as long as he does not abuse the privilege.

[C70R]

DocJock said:

C70R said:

DocJock said:

The problem (as with several in the game) is referees not enforcing laws which are already there. Only the captain is supposed to question the referee.

You're going to need to cite that Law to me, as I'm not sure I've ever seen it.

My post was poorly worded in that I was referring to a multitude of offences, but our chatty chappies infringe Law 10.4 (s)

OK, it forbids all players, but the interpretation given to refs (in Scotland at least) was to make exception for the captain to ask for clarifications as long as he does not abuse the privilege.

That was kind of what I was getting at. The Laws don't currently prevent any player from addressing the referee (a failing and a blessing - after all, the game is a great leveller), but they do preclude anyone (including the captain) from questioning their decisions. The captain (and, indeed, any other player) can ask for clarification at any time.

[London424]

Billy V out injured

[TheGreatSoprendo]

Bit of a blow that...

http://www.lionsrugby.com/news/16233.php#.WSHt_YWc...

[basherX]

bugger

[hornetrider]

Massive blow ffs. Haskell is a decent back row but he's no 8.

[irocfan]

that is a blow


Also looks like Deny Solomona isn't going to be able to go to Argentina either

[phil_cardiff]

Ah f*** it. He's a weapons grade ball carrier and one of the few players who would worry the ABs.

[DocJock]

hornetrider said:

Massive blow ffs. Haskell is a decent back row but he's no 8.

I think he'll be cover for 6 and Moriarty will now be used with Faletau as the 8s.