2017 Lions Tour

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iwantagta

1,323 posts

144 months

Sunday 25th June 2017
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mikal83 said:
TheGreatSoprendo said:
mikal83 said:
Ok I'll bite. Why was George, Hartleys sub put b4 him? Did/has George started any English game?
Bite? confused

As for Jamie George, many (myself included) rate him as a better player than Hartley and certainly less hot headed. I suspect if Hartley wasn't captain, George would already have surpassed him for England.

Oh, and Gatland knows a thing or two about hookers (there's a rumour for you laugh )
OK so WTF is he not only the England captain BUT the starting hooker then?
Hartley is captain as England currently have a bit of a dearth of Captain material (i.e. a guaranteed pick, somewhat confrontational, ideally a forward, experienced) . He WAS our best hooker a year or two back.
Since then he has definitely, in pure hooker-ing terms, dropped back behind George.
However, other than Farrell - and possibly now Kruis, England are still lacking a captain who will definitely start.
I think come the Autumn Internationals George will be starting for England & Eddie Jones will find an different option for captain.


Kermit power

28,634 posts

212 months

Sunday 25th June 2017
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iwantagta said:
mikal83 said:
TheGreatSoprendo said:
mikal83 said:
Ok I'll bite. Why was George, Hartleys sub put b4 him? Did/has George started any English game?
Bite? confused

As for Jamie George, many (myself included) rate him as a better player than Hartley and certainly less hot headed. I suspect if Hartley wasn't captain, George would already have surpassed him for England.

Oh, and Gatland knows a thing or two about hookers (there's a rumour for you laugh )
OK so WTF is he not only the England captain BUT the starting hooker then?
Hartley is captain as England currently have a bit of a dearth of Captain material (i.e. a guaranteed pick, somewhat confrontational, ideally a forward, experienced) . He WAS our best hooker a year or two back.
Since then he has definitely, in pure hooker-ing terms, dropped back behind George.
However, other than Farrell - and possibly now Kruis, England are still lacking a captain who will definitely start.
I think come the Autumn Internationals George will be starting for England & Eddie Jones will find an different option for captain.
Agreed. It's not a case of not only England Captain but also starting hooker. He's the starting hooker because he's the captain. He was never likely to be in contention for the captaincy of the Lions, so easy for Gatland to take the better hooker on current form.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Interesting view from SCW: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40396772

Certainly agree that too many of the box kicks simply handed possession over.

ttfun

37 posts

90 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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I've not really been a big fan of Courtney Lawes before this year but, to my mind, his form has been the most impressive of all the locks on tour so far.
He certainly deserves a bench spot at the very least if the Lions are going to match the athleticism and physicality of the All Black tight five rather than kick away possession for most of the game.

Even more impressed that Lawes came back so quickly from this shining example of bad tackle technique...

https://youtu.be/LzZDGMq8Rk0

And this how he should have positioned his head...

https://vimeo.com/181416493https://tackletyre.myshopify.com

Unfortunately Warren didn't listen to my plea to take more Scottish players


Edited by ttfun on Monday 26th June 21:35

Cheib

23,110 posts

174 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Greg66 said:
Interesting view from SCW: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40396772

Certainly agree that too many of the box kicks simply handed possession over.
He was interviewed on Sportsweek ....that piece is slightly misleading as he was first asked about changing the team and refused to be drawn on that. I think the one constant theme from listening to him, Graham Henry and a few other people of that calibre over the last two days is that Hansen tactically totally caught the Lions napping. The AB's "went short" and played off 9 rather than 10 which nullified the Lions defence and only when they done that a couple of times and sucked in enough players would they go wide. Very smart and the Lions didn't adapt which is perhaps more worrying.

Henry also talked in quite a lot of detail about the different approach the AB's have to the breakdown. On the "Full Contact" podcast with Rob Andrew, Brian Moore and a few others if you're interested....

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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How this was missed on the game I'm not sure, and how on earth he's not got a nice little suspension lined up I'm even more unsure of!

https://twitter.com/mike_cantillon/status/87933398...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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That is properly nasty. There is no angle there to get a charge down as he's in from the wrong side. Blatant.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Cheib said:
He was interviewed on Sportsweek ....that piece is slightly misleading as he was first asked about changing the team and refused to be drawn on that. I think the one constant theme from listening to him, Graham Henry and a few other people of that calibre over the last two days is that Hansen tactically totally caught the Lions napping. The AB's "went short" and played off 9 rather than 10 which nullified the Lions defence and only when they done that a couple of times and sucked in enough players would they go wide. Very smart and the Lions didn't adapt which is perhaps more worrying.

Henry also talked in quite a lot of detail about the different approach the AB's have to the breakdown. On the "Full Contact" podcast with Rob Andrew, Brian Moore and a few others if you're interested....
Cheers - I like Full Contact but haven't got round to this week's yet. Will give it a whirl.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Lively game so far. Poite all over the kiwis infringing offside. It's Garces this weekend think he'll be the same.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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I love interception tries cool

How slow is Laidlaw though, looked like he was running through a bog hehe

RDM

1,860 posts

206 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Two tries for Glasgow Warriors. Good stuff. 8-)

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Another good try well worked.

Canes line speed is phenomenal lots of flip passes required from the Lions.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Trackers playing well that is a good half time scoreline.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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good match ATM - however it is noticeable that for Laidlow's intercept he was STREETS ahead of the support. Try a Kiwi intercept and see what the difference is

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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lovely score there

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Kruis on for Lawes... significant for the weekend.

Try Seymour. Good stuff! Lots of players bang in form today. Henderson, Lawes, Biggar, Seymour.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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I think that's a mistake from North, difficult body position but I think he should have converted that.

GravelBen

15,652 posts

229 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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He's probably lucky the card is only yellow there.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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You're joking. He didn't drive him into the ground and he didn't go head first. I think lions will struggle a man down though.

Try Canes. Game on!

GravelBen

15,652 posts

229 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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hornetrider said:
You're joking. He didn't drive him into the ground
Looked to me like thats exactly what he did. I'm watching a fairly low quality stream though to be fair.