Strip foundation query

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Dunclane

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169 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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We have obtained planning permission for a first floor extension over an existing converted garage.

It all depends on the existing footings so I have dug a trial hole to find this

The walls are cavity walls and there is 450mm from ground to foundation.
The projection out is 250mm and concrete is 300mm thick.

What is the consensus?

pghstochaj

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119 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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You will need a structural engineer to calculate the loads and check the ground type to answer this.

bobtail4x4

3,716 posts

109 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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the idea is the expose the ground the concrete is sat on, I cant see that yet.

Dunclane

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169 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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It's not clear on the photo but the earth can be dug out from bottom of the foundation which is 300mm.

I've asked for a building inspector to have a look this week but just wondered what people's opinions were.

The earth is firm, clay which is mouldable when you squeeze it.

magooagain

9,976 posts

170 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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The brickwork below ground surface level nomaly counts as foundation also,so depth of concrete and bricks .
It might be that an inspector may think differently.

Could a timber framed extension be considered for lightness?

It took me a minute to work out the photo is the wrong way round.

pghstochaj

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119 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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The building inspector will just state that he/she will happily receive the structural engineer's calculations. They may/may not agree with you on the soil conditions, or ask for a bearing test. You will need the structural engineer to work out the line load of the building and then see whether this exceeds the value for firm clay in BS8004. Firm clay is not the best for this at all at 75-150 kN/m2.

To give you an idea, I built a single story double skin cavity wall which was designed to be brick inner and outer. This with a lightweight metrotile and timber roof, insulation, snow loading and plasterboard, the foundations themselves etc. came out at 35 kN/m2 and my ground was characterised as firm clay. I had a strip foundation 480 mm wide.

If you're in the north west and want a structural engineer to do these calculations, I can recommend a friend.

fuzzyyo

371 posts

161 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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magooagain said:
The brickwork below ground surface level nomaly counts as foundation also,so depth of concrete and bricks.
No it doesn't.

OP. You have 250mm projection, standard cavity wall is 350mm, therefore you have a minimum of a 600mm strip foundation. Which is pretty standard for housing. the important soil is what its sat on so if you haven't exposed that yet you need to dig some more and test that. Building inspector may be able to help you but I would imagine you should get a structural engineer out to inspect the soils and draw up some quick calcs showing the increase in bearing pressure.

Edited by fuzzyyo on Sunday 16th April 21:34

bigmowley

1,888 posts

176 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Looks a fairly good result to me.
Check - Minimum depth of foundations 450MM below ground tick.
Check - 150MM wider than wall (both sides?) tick?
Check - Minimum concrete thickness 200MM tick.

As long as the existing building is good and sound with no obvious structural problems then should be good to go. Get a structural engineer to look it over, £2-300 max.

PS I am a builder!smile

Dunclane

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169 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Thanks all, I have done a bit of investigating and there are some houses on adjacent cul de sacs of same build that have had similar extensions and looking at the planning website a couple show the same footings as I have so fingers crossed.

Dunclane

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169 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Good news!

The building inspector came around last Friday and gave it the all clear, we are good to go.

Builder starts next week so keep a look out for the build thread.