Cricket - England Ashes Tour - Winter 17-18
Discussion
Gargamel said:
Well as KP would be the first name on my team sheet if I was an selector, I suppose I am biased.
KP taking the Aussies apart in 2005 is probably a cricket highlight up there with Botham at Headingly.
Anyway, we lost, were outplayed in both disciplines. Our top six only works if between Cook and Root one of them makes a ton.
I think Lyon might be right about ending careers, I can't see Cook getting picked again if he fails to pass 50 in 10 innings, and at the moment that looks a sporting bet.
I think we need to junk Cook and and get some guys with some fire to go over the top now, nothing to lose. Might as well go down fighting rather than the last series where we fizzled out.KP taking the Aussies apart in 2005 is probably a cricket highlight up there with Botham at Headingly.
Anyway, we lost, were outplayed in both disciplines. Our top six only works if between Cook and Root one of them makes a ton.
I think Lyon might be right about ending careers, I can't see Cook getting picked again if he fails to pass 50 in 10 innings, and at the moment that looks a sporting bet.
Forget politics and the police, this is who we need there for the next test.
My 11 for Perth
Pietersen
Stoneman
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Vince/Malan
Woakes
Overton
Broad
Anderson
They would be well up for it. I think the batting is stronger and with Kevin and Ben back in the team they would get some fire up. Redemption men.
It may well implode, but, lets go over the top fighting.
RichB said:
Gargamel said:
... KP would be the first name on my team sheet if I was an selector...
Is he still in form, I genuinely don't know. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8796/scorecard/...
His last pro game was a T20 for Surrey in July of this year and he hasn't played 50 over cricket professionally for over 4 years.
The KP ship has well and truly sailed - sure he is talented but to expect a 37 year old KP, who hasn't worn whites for almost a year and a half, to turn up at the Waca and somehow succeed against Mitchell Starc and co is a tad optimistic.
Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 6th December 15:57
RichB said:
Gargamel said:
... KP would be the first name on my team sheet if I was an selector...
Is he still in form, I genuinely don't know. Just think he still gets a bad press, he was absolutely box office to watch, and I don't see a player like him in or around the current test team. Stokes is the closest in Tests.
In ODI and T20 we have a couple (Hales etc)
Gargamel said:
RichB said:
Gargamel said:
... KP would be the first name on my team sheet if I was an selector...
Is he still in form, I genuinely don't know. Just think he still gets a bad press, he was absolutely box office to watch, and I don't see a player like him in or around the current test team. Stokes is the closest in Tests.
In ODI and T20 we have a couple (Hales etc)
Cook so far down in Australia has scored, firstly against warm up teams
0
15
32
70
2
7
average = 21
test matches
2
7
37
16
average = 15.5
Sorry, that is not good enough for an opening batter, he needs to be getting towards 50 with a century possible.
KP could match that, and also would screw with the Aus mindset. However it is all theoretical, it ain't gonna happen. But him and Stokes in would give something for them to think about up to Perth. At the moment they are now thinking 5-0.
England are thinking that at the moment too, but will not admit it.
Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 6th December 16:08
Gandahar said:
England are thinking that at the moment too, but will not admit it.
Well I would be really worried if they were openly saying they expect to lose the next three tests... must rain sometime right ? Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 6th December 16:08
Cook will play the series, there is no one else, and he will score at some point. Just hope it isn't second innings of the last test...
But yes - as regular viewers will know - I am not a fan and never have been, just not a player I like to watch.
KP's a dick. If he never puts on an England shirt again it will be too soon.
Cook is looking seriously off form. If we'd have had choices I doubt he'd have been on the plane this time to be honest. The trouble is, we don't have choices. There isn't even a decent partner for him, so let's say St Kevin did come back, who would be with him?
We also have trouble brewing in the bowling IMO. Where are the replacements for Anderson and Broad coming from?
We have a pretty strong middle order, and Stokes makes a big difference to the side when he can keep his temper. But either end of our side is looking weaker by the test to me.
I'm not sure making Root captain was wise. Lots of additional pressure when he really needs to be perfecting his game. But again, who else could play that role?
I think we may be in for a bit of a barren spell tbh. But at least I'm a bit less disappointed about not being able to get out to Australia for this tour
Cook is looking seriously off form. If we'd have had choices I doubt he'd have been on the plane this time to be honest. The trouble is, we don't have choices. There isn't even a decent partner for him, so let's say St Kevin did come back, who would be with him?
We also have trouble brewing in the bowling IMO. Where are the replacements for Anderson and Broad coming from?
We have a pretty strong middle order, and Stokes makes a big difference to the side when he can keep his temper. But either end of our side is looking weaker by the test to me.
I'm not sure making Root captain was wise. Lots of additional pressure when he really needs to be perfecting his game. But again, who else could play that role?
I think we may be in for a bit of a barren spell tbh. But at least I'm a bit less disappointed about not being able to get out to Australia for this tour
FFS you can't take them anywhere!
"England’s Ben Duckett dropped for pouring drink over Jimmy Anderson in bar"
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/09/engl...
"England’s Ben Duckett dropped for pouring drink over Jimmy Anderson in bar"
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/09/engl...
Murph7355 said:
KP's a dick. If he never puts on an England shirt again it will be too soon.
Cook is looking seriously off form. If we'd have had choices I doubt he'd have been on the plane this time to be honest. The trouble is, we don't have choices. There isn't even a decent partner for him, so let's say St Kevin did come back, who would be with him?
We also have trouble brewing in the bowling IMO. Where are the replacements for Anderson and Broad coming from?
We have a pretty strong middle order, and Stokes makes a big difference to the side when he can keep his temper. But either end of our side is looking weaker by the test to me.
I'm not sure making Root captain was wise. Lots of additional pressure when he really needs to be perfecting his game. But again, who else could play that role?
I think we may be in for a bit of a barren spell tbh. But at least I'm a bit less disappointed about not being able to get out to Australia for this tour
I agree with everything you say. Pietersen is a supremely gifted batsman, but seemed to be dressing-room Kryptonite. A shame - I was a member at Hampshire for many years, and met him several times, and he's a top bloke, but obviously things are different when you're playing and under the scrutiny of the media. Cook is looking seriously off form. If we'd have had choices I doubt he'd have been on the plane this time to be honest. The trouble is, we don't have choices. There isn't even a decent partner for him, so let's say St Kevin did come back, who would be with him?
We also have trouble brewing in the bowling IMO. Where are the replacements for Anderson and Broad coming from?
We have a pretty strong middle order, and Stokes makes a big difference to the side when he can keep his temper. But either end of our side is looking weaker by the test to me.
I'm not sure making Root captain was wise. Lots of additional pressure when he really needs to be perfecting his game. But again, who else could play that role?
I think we may be in for a bit of a barren spell tbh. But at least I'm a bit less disappointed about not being able to get out to Australia for this tour
We're short of depth in the bowling department, although that wouldn't appear to be quite as much of a problem if Mark Wood and Jake Ball were fit. Liam Plunkett's omission is a mystery, but Craig Overton has impressed so far. The lack of an angry ginger bloke does unbalance the side, and in a series where we desperately need somebody with a bit of "mongrel", our mongrel is being held in quarantine.
The bottom line is that we're 2-0 down and heading for Perth, where we haven't won since God was a boy. The fastest track in world cricket, and we're going with a bowling squad who usually hit 80-85mph on a good day. And a top 5 who look rather timid, and out of sorts.
Just over two years ago we decimated Australia on the first day at Trent Bridge. All out for 60, and we were batting before lunch.
How we need another session like that.
I'll admit to having a chuckle about the "bring back Chris Tavare" items. Could do with some of that at the moment - for god's sake what is wrong with a little application? If it's Ramprakash that's the problem with the batting (and I have the sneaking suspicion it may be, even though I a bit of fan of him as a player) then that needs addressing immediately. Leave, or play with a straight bat, the Tavare way. Perhaps the batsmen don't know how to leave.
Simonium said:
I'll admit to having a chuckle about the "bring back Chris Tavare" items. Could do with some of that at the moment - for god's sake what is wrong with a little application? If it's Ramprakash that's the problem with the batting (and I have the sneaking suspicion it may be, even though I a bit of fan of him as a player) then that needs addressing immediately. Leave, or play with a straight bat, the Tavare way. Perhaps the batsmen don't know how to leave.
I have never been able to understand the logic of appointing that prick Ramprakash as batting coach. Yes, he scored lots of runs at County level, but failed consistently in an England shirt.Surely there must be somebody else available? Geoff Boycott's mother, perhaps?
Dermot O'Logical said:
Simonium said:
I'll admit to having a chuckle about the "bring back Chris Tavare" items. Could do with some of that at the moment - for god's sake what is wrong with a little application? If it's Ramprakash that's the problem with the batting (and I have the sneaking suspicion it may be, even though I a bit of fan of him as a player) then that needs addressing immediately. Leave, or play with a straight bat, the Tavare way. Perhaps the batsmen don't know how to leave.
I have never been able to understand the logic of appointing that prick Ramprakash as batting coach. Yes, he scored lots of runs at County level, but failed consistently in an England shirt.Surely there must be somebody else available? Geoff Boycott's mother, perhaps?
Childishly calling him a prick says a lot about you.
unrepentant said:
He was the most talented English batsman of his generation. Beautiful technique and he had all the shots. Problems at international level were all mental and wouldn't prevent him being a great batting coach.
Childishly calling him a prick says a lot about you.
I think you probably have to look at Graeme Hick first, or Graham Thorpe. But different folks will have opinions. Childishly calling him a prick says a lot about you.
Agree that we need a bit of mongrel. We seem to be ok getting 20's and 30's but we need a star turn. Someone that the Aussies actually don't want to bowl at. We lack that at the moment, decent players, working hard, trying their best. But not I think able to match the pretty strong Aussie attack, and certainly not able to dish it out.
Have watched Root in a couple of press conferences, his lack of ahem "personal authority" is a bit of worry, But what we do know is that he comes back stronger from challenges.
I am still confident we will win a match here. But I suspect we will have already lost the series by then.
unrepentant said:
He was the most talented English batsman of his generation. Beautiful technique and he had all the shots. Problems at international level were all mental and wouldn't prevent him being a great batting coach.
Childishly calling him a prick says a lot about you.
If England could get hold of Kumar Sangakkara or Shivnarine Chanderpaul and pay them twice as much as they pay Ramprakash it would be a bargain.Childishly calling him a prick says a lot about you.
And, as a Hampshire and England supporter of many years, I stand by what I said. Where is the evidence to show that Ramprakash has contributed anything positive to England's batting?
An interesting piece from the Beeb discussing the pace difference between both bowling attacks.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42287181
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42287181
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